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Lennys Tap

Quote from: BCHoopster on July 07, 2011, 11:11:35 AM
It means to me that Buzz is recruiting another questionable kid.


Marquette was dead to me when they sold their souls and brought in that TOTALLY unqualified kid back in 2000. I mean, a prop 48 who didn't even go to a prep school or juco to become qualified? Overnight I became the subject of ridicule at the office, at my parrish and in my own home. My degree became essentially worthless. I think I read somewhere that he turned out to be a pretty good player and led Marquette to some success on the court, which I'm sure sat just fine with those "head in the sand" MU fans. But to the discerning MU grads with a modicum of ethics (such as myself) the basketball success was meaningless as it came at the expense of our ethical and academic principles.



GGGG

Quote from: BCHoopster on July 07, 2011, 12:33:28 PM
Butler will not graduate, but to me that does not matter.  You go to college to get a job, he got a great one.  do you think Fulce or Buycks will
graduate?

Who cares?  They had the opportunity...if they chose not to take it, that's their fault.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: reinko on July 07, 2011, 12:16:38 PM
I transferred schools growing up, got an underage drinking ticket, didn't get the best of grades or test scores, I guess I am questionable.  Who knew!

Please return any and all paraphanalia (beanies, pennants, caps, trashcans, etc.) showing you to have any affiliation with Marquette U to the Spirit Shop immediately.

kmwtrucks

I had very poor grades my 1st 2 years in High school and switched schools and did much better.  I also got a arrested in Myrtle beach before the start of college for either Public intox or public urination.  Can't exactly remember.  On A side note, I passed the CPA my first time after graduating from MU in accounting.  I'm glad that MU took a chance on me and my questionable back ground.   

groove

the summer before my first year i shot a man in reno, just to watch him die. I went on to get a degree, kudos to Marquette for taking a chance.

MuMark

You mean like Derrick Wilson and Juan Anderson?  ::)

As another poster said Lazar went through the same process as did Junior....should we have passed on them because they switched schools?

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 07, 2011, 10:32:20 AM
Remember, a good chunk of the revenues goes right back to the schools and to run the championships at all three division levels.


http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/6d3874004e51aadc96e0d622cf56f2f3/2010-11+Condensed+Budget.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=6d3874004e51aadc96e0d622cf56f2f3


Another idea might be to recruit some kids that don't have to go through the Clearinghouse every year....that is also not in teal.


TedBaxter

For a little clarification on some things.

Todd Mayo attended South Pointe (OH) High School as a freshman and sophomore and then the family moved to the Memphis area to be near his brother.  He attended Houston High School as a junior and when the family moved to a different location in Memphis, he attended Germantown High School as a senior, so he was at 3 high schools before going to Notre Dame Prep, so there's a lot to sift through.

Junior Cadougan, to my knowledge, never attended high school in Toronto and after his younger brother was shot, he ended up at a prep school in the Atlanta area as a freshman before going to Christian Life Academy in the Houston suburbs.  
If You Aren't All In For Marquette Basketball, Move On

ChicosBailBonds

My point is that every year we go through with this, and it's not just Buzz, but with the previous guy as well.  Honestly, I cannot remember the last year when we were NOT waiting on a kid to get through the Clearinghouse.  Some will argue it's a cost of doing business....maybe that's true.  I'm sure someone here can rattle off 10-15 top 25 programs that go through the same thing.  I'm also sure that someone here can rattle off 10-15 top 25 programs that almost never have to go through this with the Clearinghouse, let alone nearly every year.

If we want to avoid having to go through this each year or are worried the NCAA doesn't have enough staff (which they don't), then we should stop recruiting kids that need to be cleared.  Otherwise, it is what it is if this is the path we continue to take.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: groove on July 07, 2011, 01:27:35 PM
i shot a man in reno, just to watch him die

Top 10 all time line in a popular song

GGGG

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 07, 2011, 01:45:30 PM
My point is that every year we go through with this, and it's not just Buzz, but with the previous guy as well.  Honestly, I cannot remember the last year when we were NOT waiting on a kid to get through the Clearinghouse.  Some will argue it's a cost of doing business....maybe that's true.  I'm sure someone here can rattle off 10-15 top 25 programs that go through the same thing.  I'm also sure that someone here can rattle off 10-15 top 25 programs that almost never have to go through this with the Clearinghouse, let alone nearly every year.

If we want to avoid having to go through this each year or are worried the NCAA doesn't have enough staff (which they don't), then we should stop recruiting kids that need to be cleared.  Otherwise, it is what it is if this is the path we continue to take.

It doesn't bother me.  Not sure why it bothers you.  (Actually, I am sure why....but I just find it funny.)

kmwtrucks

Every school signs kids that are not cleared yet, and every school has delays getting kids through the clearing house that signs late.  You only hear about ones at your school or ones that never get cleared. The reason you did not hear about it before Crean is the rules were different, You could be on scholarship and not be eligible to play.  Now if you are not eligible to play you cannot be awarded a spot.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 07, 2011, 01:45:30 PM
My point is that every year we go through with this, and it's not just Buzz, but with the previous guy as well.  Honestly, I cannot remember the last year when we were NOT waiting on a kid to get through the Clearinghouse.  Some will argue it's a cost of doing business....maybe that's true.  I'm sure someone here can rattle off 10-15 top 25 programs that go through the same thing.  I'm also sure that someone here can rattle off 10-15 top 25 programs that almost never have to go through this with the Clearinghouse, let alone nearly every year.

If we want to avoid having to go through this each year or are worried the NCAA doesn't have enough staff (which they don't), then we should stop recruiting kids that need to be cleared.  Otherwise, it is what it is if this is the path we continue to take.

Even the really bad Big East teams (DePaul, USF) have these issues. Our choices are to de-emphasize basketball (DII or III?) or change our name to UNC@Milwaukee.

Chicago_inferiority_complexes

Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 07, 2011, 02:10:33 PM
Top 10 all time line in a popular song

I think the song is stupid, but that post did make me burst out laughing at work.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on July 07, 2011, 02:12:18 PM
It doesn't bother me.  Not sure why it bothers you.  (Actually, I am sure why....but I just find it funny.)

I didn't realize I said it bothered me.  In fact I'm entirely sure I didn't say it bothered me.  So I'd love to know WHY you think something bothers me that doesn't...share the humor.   ;D

I was pointing out that people shouldn't get upset with the Clearing House taking their own sweet time, as was implied.  They'll get to it when they get to it.  Easy solution, don't sign kids that have this type of background.  Otherwise, it is what it is and that's the deal. 

I sure hope this turns into a racial thread soon.  I love me my traditional players.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 07, 2011, 02:25:09 PM
Even the really bad Big East teams (DePaul, USF) have these issues. Our choices are to de-emphasize basketball (DII or III?) or change our name to UNC@Milwaukee.

Covered already....we can name all kinds of teams that do it and all kinds of teams that don't....good, bad, ugly.

Stretchdeltsig

What is the difference?  The season starts in November. 

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: kmwtrucks on July 07, 2011, 02:17:24 PM
Every school signs kids that are not cleared yet, and every school has delays getting kids through the clearing house that signs late.  You only hear about ones at your school or ones that never get cleared. The reason you did not hear about it before Crean is the rules were different, You could be on scholarship and not be eligible to play.  Now if you are not eligible to play you cannot be awarded a spot.

Technically true, all kids must be cleared by the clearing house.  Of course we all know that there are kids that will be cleared in a nanosecond and kids that will take several months. 

Maybe the better way to state is, if people here are concerned about having to wait months for kids to clear then they should cheer for a team that recruits nanosecond kids like Wisconsin, Duke, etc (yes, even they have the non-nanosecond kids every so often).  Otherwise, there is no evidence with Crean, Buzz or many other coaches that our recruiting will be changing.  So sit back, let the clearing house do their thing and we shouldn't be surprised by the time it takes.

HouWarrior

Quote from: BCHoopster on July 07, 2011, 11:11:35 AM
It means to me that Buzz is recruiting another questionable kid.

USC had NCAA problems, due to his brother, OJ, and Tim Floyd. I'd be surprised if the last name, and history wouldnt merit more than nanosecond clearinghouse review.
 
I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.

BubbaWilliams

I thought Jimmy Butler is graduating on July 9th. Also, it shouldn't matter where you came from, only where you're going.
"Marquette is so good defensively, they steal your mouth guards."

NotAnAlum

Quote from: Eford4President2012 on July 07, 2011, 11:21:11 AM
Maymon, Newbill, Roseboro, the four accused of sexual harassment, the one charged with disorderly conduct, and the one accused of rape.

That being said, I don't have a problem with Buzz's recruiting, he has had far more successes than failures.

Better be careful there about mixing your metaphors.  Mayo is being delayed by the NCAA Clearinghouse.  The same process that held up Lazar and Junior C (would you have prefered we didn't recruit our 2nd all time leading scorer).  It doesn't make much sense to be to lump together every kid we've had problems and infere that kids that have Clearinghouse problems are going to fall into that group.

WellsstreetWanderer

They should have registered with the Publisher's Clearinghouse instead
Maybe someone would show up with ballooms and a check

NickelDimer

#46
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 07, 2011, 10:32:20 AM
Remember, a good chunk of the revenues goes right back to the schools and to run the championships at all three division levels.


http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/6d3874004e51aadc96e0d622cf56f2f3/2010-11+Condensed+Budget.pdf?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=6d3874004e51aadc96e0d622cf56f2f3


Another idea might be to recruit some kids that don't have to go through the Clearinghouse every year....that is also not in teal.


Yeah, a good chunk of revenue if you don't include the Emmert's 2+ million dollar salary
No Finish Line

Mobot

Quote from: NotAnAlum on July 07, 2011, 04:47:39 PM
Better be careful there about mixing your metaphors.  Mayo is being delayed by the NCAA Clearinghouse.  The same process that held up Lazar and Junior C (would you have prefered we didn't recruit our 2nd all time leading scorer).  It doesn't make much sense to be to lump together every kid we've had problems and infere that kids that have Clearinghouse problems are going to fall into that group.

I wasn't the one that said Mayo was questionable; I am a big fan of Mayo and followed his recruitement closely.  I was even cheering for his brother when Memphis made a playoff run this summer.  I am excited to see him in an MU uniform and was hoping I could see him play in the Pro Am.

I believe that Trevor Mbakwe also ran into some clearing house issues.


VegasWarrior77

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." Albert Einstein

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