Split topic .. Abject Bickering

[NersEllenson]

Did you not read the 10 page thread regarding the Chicago Tribune expose piece on the Sexual Assault case at Marquette?  Marquette will never be able to recruit again in Chicago, because even though no charges were filed against the Marquette players - based on the way the MU administration handled things - recruits won't want to come play at Marquette.  

Did you not know that potential recruits and their parents are most concerned with the protocols for handling allegations of sexual assault between a private school and public law enforcement?  That far trumps the ability of the basketball program being able to take 3 star talent and get it drafted in the NBA.

Furthermore, as MU alum we should all be ashamed of our university, and the perception of MU is forever tarnished.  I'm ashamed I graduated from Marquette.

[marquette99]

Nice post ners.  And to answer your question, I did not wade through those 10 pages of posts!

[bilsu]

Did you not read the 10 page thread regarding the Chicago Tribune expose piece on the Sexual Assault case at Marquette?  Marquette will never be able to recruit again in Chicago, because even though no charges were filed against the Marquette players - based on the way the MU administration handled things - recruits won't want to come play at Marquette. 

Did you not know that potential recruits and their parents are most concerned with the protocols for handling allegations of sexual assault between a private school and public law enforcement?  That far trumps the ability of the basketball program being able to take 3 star talent and get it drafted in the NBA.

Furthermore, as MU alum we should all be ashamed of our university, and the perception of MU is forever tarnished.  I'm ashamed I graduated from Marquette.

I think this is an over reation. It has a short-term effect at most. Most of Buzz's recruiting is outside of Chicago. Buzz could also tell recruits that players were not thrown under the bus when they made mistakes. The only real effect I see is on the parents of recruits who will be more upset with this than a 17-18 hormonal teenager.

[Silkk the Shaka]

Gas Station Employee: "I'm picking up your sarcasm."
Richard Hayden: "Well, I should hope so, because I'm laying it on pretty thick"

Did you really take Ners' post seriously bilsu?

[Marquette84]

Did you not read the 10 page thread regarding the Chicago Tribune expose piece on the Sexual Assault case at Marquette?  Marquette will never be able to recruit again in Chicago, because even though no charges were filed against the Marquette players - based on the way the MU administration handled things - recruits won't want to come play at Marquette. 

Did you not know that potential recruits and their parents are most concerned with the protocols for handling allegations of sexual assault between a private school and public law enforcement?  That far trumps the ability of the basketball program being able to take 3 star talent and get it drafted in the NBA.

Furthermore, as MU alum we should all be ashamed of our university, and the perception of MU is forever tarnished.  I'm ashamed I graduated from Marquette.

Simple question:  Which of these two options would have better for MU's overall reputation:

A:  Just one article:  This story on McNeal and Butler.

B:  Two articles in the same week:  The page one story about lax reactions to alleged sexual assault and this story on McNeal and Butler.

[NersEllenson]

Simple question:  Which of these two options would have better for MU's overall reputation:

A:  Just one article:  This story on McNeal and Butler.

B:  Two articles in the same week:  The page one story about lax reactions to alleged sexual assault and this story on McNeal and Butler.

I'll take "B" for $500 84.  I believe hormonal 17 year old boys will be happy that they can attend a university with lax reactions to sexual misconduct allegations.  It should give them confidence to know that if they begin a consensual sexual act, they won't be charged with rape.

[Spotcheck Billy]

Did you not read the 10 page thread regarding the Chicago Tribune expose piece on the Sexual Assault case at Marquette?  Marquette will never be able to recruit again in Chicago, because even though no charges were filed against the Marquette players - based on the way the MU administration handled things - recruits won't want to come play at Marquette. 

Did you not know that potential recruits and their parents are most concerned with the protocols for handling allegations of sexual assault between a private school and public law enforcement?  That far trumps the ability of the basketball program being able to take 3 star talent and get it drafted in the NBA.

Furthermore, as MU alum we should all be ashamed of our university, and the perception of MU is forever tarnished.  I'm ashamed I graduated from Marquette.

in all reality I would guess that Trib story would hurt recruiting female students but not deter an athlete in the least

[bilsu]

Gas Station Employee: "I'm picking up your sarcasm."
Richard Hayden: "Well, I should hope so, because I'm laying it on pretty thick"

Did you really take Ners' post seriously bilsu?

To be honest, I did not even know it was Ners post I was responding to. Besides that I have no idea who Ners is and I do not care who he is. I respond to what is said in a post and rarely pay attention to who is posting it.

[g0lden3agle]

To be honest, I did not even know it was Ners post I was responding to. Besides that I have no idea who Ners is and I do not care who he is. I respond to what is said in a post and rarely pay attention to who is posting it.

Way to completely miss the point twice in the same thread.  Jamailman was pointing out that the post you were replying to was full of sarcasm that you missed, regardless of who was the author of that post.

[NersEllenson]

I felt I authored enough of a sarcastic post, that it wouldn't need the standard utilization of teal.  Apparently not.  Obviously there are conflicting opinions on the recent sexual assault allegations, but I felt a little levity to an unfortunate situation was necessary.

Like life, MU isn't perfect, its players aren't always perfect, and there aren't always perfect outcomes to he said, she said situations.  But it is sad that this thread is struggling to get to a 2nd page, yet the hate-mongers were able to perpetuate the other Chicago Tribune story to a 10-page thread.  And we wonder why media generally tell far more negative stories than positive??

[bilsu]

Way to completely miss the point twice in the same thread.  Jamailman was pointing out that the post you were replying to was full of sarcasm that you missed, regardless of who was the author of that post.

I see no indication that the post was being sarcastic. Maybe, if you know Ners you might know that. It certainly on the face of it sounded like an anti MU post to me and way over the top.

[warthog-driver]

I have no idea who Ners is and I do not care who he is.

Wow. So much for Christian brotherhood. Is a round of Kumbaya in order?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Once again Joanie lays it on the line. Her love for The Tanned One knows no bounds.

Can you show me where 84 mentioned Crean, hinted about Crean, etc, etc? I don't see it anywhere.  As an honored man with a military background (which you share with us often...thank you for your service), shouldn't you be on the up and up when making your accusations.  I realize you don't care for 84 (or me) but that doesn't give you the right to make stuff up.

Here's what he said:" 
Simple question:  Which of these two options would have better for MU's overall reputation:

A:  Just one article:  This story on McNeal and Butler.

B:  Two articles in the same week:  The page one story about lax reactions to alleged sexual assault and this story on McNeal and Butler."

Warthog, where is there a mention of anything to do with any coach...Crean, Buzz, John Wooden, or Rex Ryan for that matter?  What leads you to state "Once again Joanie lays it on the line. Her love for The Tanned One knows no bounds"?   I expected more from a man in the military.  At the very least, I would expect now an acknowledgment that you were in error.

[g0lden3agle]

Smoke 'em if you got 'em, folks

[leever]

Can you show me where 84 mentioned Crean, hinted about Crean, etc, etc? I don't see it anywhere.  As an honored man with a military background (which you share with us often...thank you for your service), shouldn't you be on the up and up when making your accusations.  I realize you don't care for 84 (or me) but that doesn't give you the right to make stuff up.

Here's what he said:" 
Simple question:  Which of these two options would have better for MU's overall reputation:

A:  Just one article:  This story on McNeal and Butler.

B:  Two articles in the same week:  The page one story about lax reactions to alleged sexual assault and this story on McNeal and Butler."

Warthog, where is there a mention of anything to do with any coach...Crean, Buzz, John Wooden, or Rex Ryan for that matter?  What leads you to state "Once again Joanie lays it on the line. Her love for The Tanned One knows no bounds"?   I expected more from a man in the military.  At the very least, I would expect now an acknowledgment that you were in error.

I'm thinkin' that you might be waiting a long time for an apology, er, "acknowledgement", for Warthog's slap at 84.

[Hards Alumni]

At the very least, I would expect now an acknowledgment that you were in error.

This made my day.

You really need to stop expecting certain behaviors from people simply due to their background.

[Hards Alumni]

When he (Warthog) has thrown in our faces how honorable he is as a military man, how he is holds himself to certain standards, I think it's fair game then to call him on it.  Those were his words, let's see him walk the walk.  "I care about honor, character, dignity"...those were his words.  I enjoy Warthog's posts most of the time, but when he's claiming something is there that absolutely isn't, how is this anything short of a fabrication?

I suspect Leever is right, and he'll go AWOL....pun intended.  I'd be happy to be wrong and will admit it.

Fair enough.

[MerrittsMustache]

With all the BS that gets spewed on this board, my post that simply states, "Get a life, Chicos" is deleted by the mods?! Apparently that comment is more offensive than basically naming the players who were accused of sexual assault.

Oh well. What can ya do?

[Henry Sugar]

I totally approve of the new title for this thread.

also, Tom Crean

[The Lens]

I could not care less about recruiting when it comes to an article on the administration's handling of sexual assault claims.   When the #1 paper in the Midwest decides we need to be investigated and when our admin are claimed to have said: "Why don't you pray about it"; we have bigger problems than getting in the next 4-Star PF.

I find it embarrassing that people see that article and think about recruiting first.

[NersEllenson]

I could not care less about recruiting when it comes to an article on the administration's handling of sexual assault claims.   When the #1 paper in the Midwest decides we need to be investigated and when our admin are claimed to have said: "Why don't you pray about it"; we have bigger problems than getting in the next 4-Star PF.

I find it embarrassing that people see that article and think about recruiting first.

Claims and allegations are not always facts.  As mentioned, negative news sells - as we can see from the thread length between the Jimmy and Jerel story, versus the sex assault story.  Reporters are hungry to scoop and get their name in the limelight...and are always after expose pieces.

Obviously none of us would like to have MU in the news for how it handled an ALLEGED sexual assault that began as consensual sex - but I don't think MU deserves all the bitch slapping its gotten here. 

[ringout]

I expected more from a man in the military.  At the very least, I would expect now an acknowledgment that you were in error.

I acknowledge the sheer folly of responding to this post, but, I find Chicos asking for an acknowledgement of error HILARIOUS.

I am also prepared for the ad hominem attacks to be unleashed, and apologize ahead of time.

[mu_hilltopper]

With all the BS that gets spewed on this board, my post that simply states, "Get a life, Chicos" is deleted by the mods?! Apparently that comment is more offensive than basically naming the players who were accused of sexual assault.

Oh well. What can ya do?

Sorry, MM.  At first I was going to delete all this nonsense.  It became easier to just split it off so the orgy of bickering could continue.  

http://www.youtube.com/v/YOm87T9I86E?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0

[MerrittsMustache]

Sorry, MM.  At first I was going to delete all this nonsense.  It became easier to just split it off so the orgy of bickering could continue.  

http://www.youtube.com/v/YOm87T9I86E?version=3&hl=en_US&rel=0

No big deal. Thanks for splitting it off. No one likes the guy who breaks up an orgy.

[Pakuni]

also, Tom Crean

Preternaturally tan.
Oh wait, this wasn't word association?

Also, I demand an apology and an acknowledgement of your sins.