Chicago Tribune painting unflattering picture of MU...

[4everwarriors]

Well, if MU admits to mishandling these incidents over the past 10 years, seems to me that includes the departed head coach also.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

Does anyone have citation or link to this law that requires Marquette to report an incident like this?I see references and paraphrases, but not any actual statutory language.

[Marquette84]

Does anyone have citation or link to this law that requires Marquette to report an incident like this?I see references and paraphrases, but not any actual statutory language.

http://legis.wisconsin.gov/acts89-93/85Act152.pdf

[jtrash37]

I posted this on Badgernation in their MU = Bad thread:

As an alum and proud graduate of Marquette, my level of displeasure with this situation is unmeasurable. I've sent several emails in order to express said displeasure. I realize i'm akin to the gnat on the elephant's ass, but I am glad the University is now altering what has been proven to be a poor system thanks to this ugliness. The rent-a-cops on campus were useless tools when I was there, I'm now positive that not much has changed in that respect.

That being said, I would still be proud to send either of my children to my alma mater (my daughter is 5 and my son is 6). An unfortunate truth is that brutally awful things like this happen all over the country, at many fine universities and colleges. If anyone says this hasn't happened at their alma mater, it's more likely than not a false statement. 1 in 5 women as a victim of sexual assault or attempted sexual assault is a sad state of affairs for the university system across the nation.

I'd also have no problem with severe discipline for any/all involved as a statement from the University.  That may be quite Pollyanna-esque of me, but one can still hope.

As previously stated, the situation (and it's statement as a symptom of a larger problem) is beyond distressing.

[T.V. Diener 34]

That's it, rip down the woman....it's usually their fault.  Hell, I'll bet she asked for it.  


Because we all know a woman never changes her mind and could very easily tell someone to stop in the middle of it.  Considering your short span of a few seconds, I doubt that happens to you often but for those that last more than a few it's more than possible.  But that's right, she's unstable.   

I'd recommend getting better at sex so she doesn't change her mind 5 minutes in then 

[martyconlonontherun]

I see a ton of people taking this really personally. Do you guys really feel you should be personally embarrassed that this happened? I hear people saying that the University hurt our names and reputation with this incident. Personally I think people need to get over themselves. The real victim is the girl if she said is true. Who cares if you college got in trouble after you graduated? Should OSU students feel any less proud after the Tressel scandal? No, they graduated from a top school and earned it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Having worked for DPS as a student and during and after my post graduate work, the wait is typically over an hour on week nights and longer than 2 hours on weekends unless there is a crime in progress.  Once again, you're quick to denounce the policies at Marquette without knowing realities of the situation. Let's be real, Chicos, even if MU reported this immediately, you would have found a way to blame the current administration.  

For the record, I'd love to tell you stories about your tanned idol coming to campus in the middle of the night to bail his players out of trouble in very similar situations.  I'm sure you're suprised to hear that none of that was ever reported either.

Tan idol?  Oooh, good one.  Funny, I haven't made this about Buzz at all, but you're making it a Crean vs Buzz thing.  In my opinion this is about the actions of the individuals involved and the coaches have no control over it.    I could tell you stories as well about Crean and the players.  

Secondly, looking at the response times for Milwaukee (public record) you either don't know how to tell time or you are vastly inflating your numbers to make a false point, but I'll bet you looked swell in the yellow jacket.

Thirdly, MU just adopted the very policy I said they should have been doing all along.  Maybe you should talk to Father Wild and tell him how wrong he is.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'd recommend getting better at sex so she doesn't change her mind 5 minutes in then 

Or maybe after an hour she's had enough

[ChicosBailBonds]

Well, if MU admits to mishandling these incidents over the past 10 years, seems to me that includes the departed head coach also.

Why, don't you know these aren't basketball players because it wasn't stated in the paper.  It's probably the now defunct men's rifle team.

[ChicosBailBonds]

For those out of Milwaukee who wish to see the video report

http://gamutnews.com/20110623/33479/video-marquette-university-changes-policy-on-reporting-of-sexual-violence.html

[wyzgy]

For those out of Milwaukee who wish to see the video report

http://gamutnews.com/20110623/33479/video-marquette-university-changes-policy-on-reporting-of-sexual-violence.html

the changes will take effect this fall, so the boys have between now and september to play under the old rules??why don't they say new rules will be effective immediately?? which i'm sure is the case

[bilsu]

Well, if MU admits to mishandling these incidents over the past 10 years, seems to me that includes the departed head coach also.

The mis-handling has nothing to do with basketball coaches. MU was unaware of the law and was not reporting any of the potential rapes. It only came to light, because this time it involved athlete's.

[🏀]

  the changes will take effect this fall, so the boys have between now and september to play under the old rules??why don't they say new rules will be effective immediately?? which i'm sure is the case

They probably are saying Fall as new student handbooks will be written and distributed then.

[Aughnanure]

Having worked at MU as a student and after post graduate work for many years, we had to call the cops on multiple occasions at the student union, and elsewhere, the response time was minutes, not 2+ hours.  Now maybe things have changed dramatically since then but I would be surprised if the wait is as long as you describe.  Nevertheless, 2+ hours is better than MONTHS.

I've waited over 4 hours. "Minutes" is not normal, unless a crime is in the process.

[Lennys Tap]

MU should have been doing that to begin with, then MPD would look bad now...not Marquette University.

That's what life is all about to some. CYA and make somebody else "look bad". Justice? Truth? Who cares, just make sure you control "perceptions". Sad.

[LON]

I've waited over 4 hours. "Minutes" is not normal, unless a crime is in the process.

Same here.  Although it was more like 2 hours.

For a robbery/home invasion.

Chicos doesn't know what he's talking about.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I've waited over 4 hours. "Minutes" is not normal, unless a crime is in the process.

Of course, but I'm talking average response time.  It's all based on what type of call is placed and the nature of the call. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Same here.  Although it was more like 2 hours.

For a robbery/home invasion.

Chicos doesn't know what he's talking about.

I guess the statistics published for police response times are wrong.  I'll let them know they don't know what they are taking about.  Thanks...it's good to know your individual case sets the standard, not all calls that are aggregated.   

[ChicosBailBonds]

That's what life is all about to some. CYA and make somebody else "look bad". Justice? Truth? Who cares, just make sure you control "perceptions". Sad.

Quite the contrary...truth is going to be discovered more than likely by an independent third party who is a professional than one that has a vested interest in potentially seeing things through a lens to protect a member(s) of the athletic teams.  Sad is doing what we have been doing for 10 years.  The university agrees, they just changed their policy and will likely be writing checks out in civil cases because they didn't do the right thing.  Yeah, it helps with perceptions as well, a nice byproduct, but it also gets closer to justice and truth.  Do you care about those things?

[Lennys Tap]

Quite the contrary...truth is going to be discovered more than likely by an independent third party who is a professional than one that has a vested interest in potentially seeing things through a lens to protect a member(s) of the athletic teams.  Sad is doing what we have been doing for 10 years.  The university agrees, they just changed their policy and will likely be writing checks out in civil cases because they didn't do the right thing.  Yeah, it helps with perceptions as well, a nice byproduct, but it also gets closer to justice and truth.  Do you care about those things?

You were the one who suggested that the idea was to pass the buck to the MPD and make them look bad, not me.

As for truth and justice, the MPD has to have known the policy MU was following for the past 10 years. And they were totally ok with it as it allowed MU to handle things that, in MU's ant the DPS's judgement, didn't rise to the standards of a crime. But when sex + athletes became part of the mix, the MPD and DA feigned public outrage over a policy they had tacitly approved. We'll see how much they like the new policy (which takes the judgement of DPS officers out of the equation) when they're inudated with any and every complaint that could possibly be construed as a crime. My guess is not much. My further guess is that the "unintended consequences" will lead to less truth and justice as the police are forced to spend time on matters that shouldn't merit their attention.

As someone who is familiar with problems that arise over unintended consequences I thought you would agree.

[ringout]

MU should have been doing that to begin with, then MPD would look bad now...not Marquette University.

I don't disagree, but MPD was absolutely fine with DPS taking all the calls.

If MPD knew that DPS was breaking the law (and they did), a call from Ed Flynn to the head of DPS was in order.

[LON]

I guess the statistics published for police response times are wrong.  I'll let them know they don't know what they are taking about.  Thanks...it's good to know your individual case sets the standard, not all calls that are aggregated.   

Are you familiar with the following:

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

At my time at MU (including a year of grad school) during 2003-2007, MPD took their sweet-ass time responding to anything on MU's campus.  Not just in my personal experience.

[ringout]

Are you familiar with the following:

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

At my time at MU (including a year of grad school) during 2003-2007, MPD took their sweet-ass time responding to anything on MU's campus.  Not just in my personal experience.

Damn lies are good if they paint MU in a bad light.

[mu03eng]

I guess the statistics published for police response times are wrong.  I'll let them know they don't know what they are taking about.  Thanks...it's good to know your individual case sets the standard, not all calls that are aggregated.   

So there is no way that the statistics are skewed because they lump response time to active crime calls with calls of a non-emergency nature?

[WarriorDoc]

Just graduated, still must be on the email list.  Here is the email Fr. Wild sent out yesterday:

JUNE 22, 2011

Dear Marquette Students:
As you know, in the past month there has been much on-campus conversation and a number of media stories about two sexual assault cases on the Marquette campus involving student athletes. These are difficult, sensitive situations for all involved. We want all our students to feel cared for and supported; when that is not the case, we need to take action.
I have had blunt and very direct conversations with colleagues across the university as we work to improve our responses to these types of incidents, and I can assure you that everyone is committed to ensuring our campus culture emphasizes care and respect for each other. We have been working to address the issues raised, and I now have some substantive progress to report.
Any incident of sexual violence is reprehensible and in complete opposition to the values of Marquette University. While federal law protecting the privacy of students prohibits sharing the details of these incidents and the outcomes of any disciplinary proceedings, they were investigated by the university with action taken in accordance with our student conduct code. They were also investigated by Milwaukee law enforcement officials, and no charges were filed.
The university has publicly acknowledged that we made mistakes in dealing with these incidents. We worked quickly and proactively to correct those procedures, both to be sensitive to victims and to comply with Wisconsin state law. We now refer any reported incident of sexual assault to the Sensitive Crimes Unit of the Milwaukee Police Department. We have also added a victim advocate to the staff of our Student Health Service and have more tightly restricted who on campus has access to reports from the Department of Public Safety.
As you know, we have many resources on campus, both to provide education about sexual violence and its prevention and to support those who are the victims of sexual violence. These include HAVEN, VOICES and the services of the Department of Public Safety, Campus Ministry, the Counseling Center and Student Health Service. In addition, we have very positive relationships with a number of community agencies. The Gender Resource Center, once operational, will also provide support in this area.
Upon hearing of the concerns involving these cases, I wanted to proactively address the issues and, thus, asked Janine Geske, distinguished professor of law and former justice of the Wisconsin Supreme Court, to convene a group of campus and community representatives dealing with sexual violence. They have had conversations that have been very helpful to the university, and I am happy to report that considerable progress has been made, including:
• As noted above, the Department of Public Safety has worked with the MPD Sensitive Crimes Unit to ensure that the reporting of any sexual assault both complies with state law and is sensitive to the needs of victims. DPS officers also participated in victim-centered training this summer.
• The Office of Student Affairs, working with representatives from the district attorney's office and our own law faculty, is re-writing our policies and procedures regarding sexual assault in light of what we've learned in these cases and the recently issued guidelines from the U.S. Department of Education. These policies and procedures will be in place for the 2011-12 academic year.
• Marquette's Counseling Center and Student Health Service are working with academic and other colleagues on a number of prevention and education programs. Every incoming freshman will receive sexual violence and prevention training. An online program on sexual assault awareness and prevention, Student Success, will be piloted with targeted groups of students and staff this fall. There is also training planned in Bystander Intervention, i.e., how to help ensure the safety of a friend in vulnerable situations.
Surely, there is more to be done, and this is a focus of concentration this summer. We will get this right, because we want any student who is a victim of sexual assault to be supported and to come forward so she or he can make use of the many resources the university and our community partners have to offer. You can be helpful in this regard by caring for your friends, especially watching out for them in vulnerable situations; by reporting incidents that you feel compromise student safety; by utilizing the LIMO and Student Safety Patrol programs for safe transport; and by taking advantage of the personal safety and other educational programs available, including Bystander Intervention training when that is offered.
I want you to know that your safety and security have been and remain my number one concern. While I am retiring in just a few weeks, I have talked with my successor, Rev. Scott R. Pilarz, S.J., and know that he shares these concerns and will continue to move the university forward. In the meantime, if you have questions, please contact Dr. Chris Miller, vice president for student affairs.
I will continue to ask God's abundant blessings on you and our entire Marquette community.
Sincerely,
Robert A. Wild, S.J.
President
Marquette University