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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 18, 2011, 08:57:50 PM
So only 2 of the 4 are still on the team now. 

If only you ran the world anyone accused of anything regardless of the evidence would be immediately exiled. "Justice" that only an ayatollah could love.

MerrittsMustache

Chicos - The only reason some would make that post is to cause trouble or draw attention to himself. We all understand that you're starved for attention but, seriously, knock it off.

Markusquette

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 18, 2011, 11:12:23 PM
Chicos - The only reason some would make that post is to cause trouble or draw attention to himself. We all understand that you're starved for attention but, seriously, knock it off.


Of course he is, look at the post count.

TallTitan34

Id just like to point out Chris Teff and John Wilkolm transferred into Marquette for the 2004-2005 season as walk-ons and sat out that year.  The following year they did not play.

This is not the first time a walk on has sat out a year and didn't play the next season.

GGGG

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 18, 2011, 11:12:23 PM
Chicos - The only reason some would make that post is to cause trouble or draw attention to himself. We all understand that you're starved for attention but, seriously, knock it off.


He can't help himself.  He knows who the four are, and wants to remind people that knows who they are.

mu27

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 19, 2011, 07:12:55 AM

He can't help himself.  He knows who the four are, and wants to remind people that knows who they are.

Exactly

avid1010

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 18, 2011, 07:38:18 PM
OK, so your opinion is that Buzz found him valuable enough to give him minutes, but not valuable enough to give him a scholarship....even though we have two available for next year.

That doesn't make a lot of sense.

And honestly, I don't recall Buzz saying that re Singleton anyway.

I'm just going by what I heard Buzz say publicly a few times.  When is the last time MU had a player who wouldn't have been good enough to earn a scholarship, who's previous coach took a job at MU, who's parents paid $45,000 a year to send him to a private high school, and then was linked to some poor off-court behavior.  I have no idea why the kid left, or if he needed a scholarship to make him happy, but neither do you.  So like I said, I'll go with the comments made by Buzz.

GGGG

avid, I have tried to find even one of these quotes by Buzz...and honestly I cannot.

Nukem2

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 19, 2011, 08:02:55 AM
avid, I have tried to find even one of these quotes by Buzz...and honestly I cannot.
Thats because there were none.....

ZiggysFryBoy

Quote from: Nukem2 on June 19, 2011, 09:18:31 AM
Thats because there were none.....

As stated above, it was Wesley that make flattering comments about Singleton after the pro-am last summer.

avid1010

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 19, 2011, 08:02:55 AM
avid, I have tried to find even one of these quotes by Buzz...and honestly I cannot.

TV and radio...thinking probably the Buzz Show when Singleton was the featured player, etc...  I think Vander is going to have to play some minutes at the point because if Junior goes down we're banking on two guys that have never played a D1 game in their lives.  Singleton had low D1 experience and a year of growth at MU.  In my opinion he would have been in line for some minutes next year depending on the development of our freshmen.  It was a nice safety blanket, and just a one year need, but if Junior were to go down we have turnover prone players like DJO and Vander looking at playing minutes at the point and praying that two freshmen are able to develop.  I would feel much better with Dave on the bench next year...after that, I don't think MU had any use for him, so my guess tells me he was released for behavioral reasons or bolted because he knew he would have limited minutes next year and none in the future.  My opinion is Buzz didn't want him off the team, thought he'd provide a little depth next year at the point, but something happened (behavior or Dave's expectations) that led to him leaving the team.  I cannot believe Buzz sleeps well knowing he has Junior and ??? at the point next year.  Vander and DJO are going to have to show much more control, and many on this board were writing Junior off not too long ago as well.  

avid1010

Quote from: ZiggysF*ckinFryBoy on June 19, 2011, 09:20:31 AM
As stated above, it was Wesley that make flattering comments about Singleton after the pro-am last summer.

I get that...also comments from Buzz.


GGGG

Comments on a radio show are not really indicative over how Buzz (or any coach) truly feels about a player's potential.  And I don't think the behaviorial issues had anything to do with it...because there are players still on the team that were involved with the same issue.

avid1010

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on June 19, 2011, 10:03:42 AM
Comments on a radio show are not really indicative over how Buzz (or any coach) truly feels about a player's potential. 

Yeah right...Buzz is so candid.


Pakuni

Avid ... even if Buzz said what you're saying he said, I think you may be reading way too much into what's more than likely typical coachspeak.
How often do you hear coaches saying they don't expect a kid to contribute or that "this kid won't surprise anyone next year and will probably see very few minutes"?

You know it's summer when the departure of a walk on causes a controversy.

martyconlonontherun

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I love how some on this board takes Buzz's word as gospel. I'm sure he did say that Singleton would surprise people on the court. What is he suppose to say? "Dave is a D-3 scrub that just tries hard, so we let him carry the gym bag on the way to the airport" I know Buzz is candid but he is also in a leadership role and a good guy, he won't rip a walkon for no reason.

The most we would have got from him is clean up minutes if there was an injury or blowout. This loss was basically nothing. Nice to have a guy like Dave, but in the grand scheme of things it is not a big deal. It's like people who get excited over a 2nd round pick in the NBA making the team and playing some minutes. It's cool you got a contribution out of basically nothing, but in the end this player is completely replaceable.

avid1010

I don't think it's controversy...I've said from the start, this isn't a bid deal, but I didn't think it was no big deal either.  Mayo's reviews talk of him trying the point, but that not being his true position.  The same is true of Vander and DJO.  Derrick Wilson is the same thing...not noted as being a true pg.  So like Rosiak stated earlier in the year, Singleton is an insurance policy and he could have been valuable if Junior went down or if the freshmen can't play point.  I liked that he had played a year against the likes of Junior, DJO, DB, etc. and I think we're thin at the PG position next year so he could have been an insurance policy for a year until MU learned what it has in Wilson/Mayo/Vander.

Quote from: Pakuni on June 19, 2011, 10:37:58 AM
Avid ... even if Buzz said what you're saying he said, I think you may be reading way too much into what's more than likely typical coachspeak.
How often do you hear coaches saying they don't expect a kid to contribute or that "this kid won't surprise anyone next year and will probably see very few minutes"?

You know it's summer when the departure of a walk on causes a controversy.

TJ

#68
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ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 18, 2011, 11:12:23 PM
Chicos - The only reason some would make that post is to cause trouble or draw attention to himself. We all understand that you're starved for attention but, seriously, knock it off.


It's funny how hypocritical people here are. I  make a factual statement and the flying off the handle begins again.  The heads plummet into the sand, the three monkeys of Seeing no Evil, Hearing no Evil, Speaking no Evil in full force.  Yet we all know if this happened to one of our rivals, people here would jump their crap immediately on this stuff.  Funny to watch, to say the least.   My comment was factual and considering who the other 2 players are, there is no chance in hell they will be "transferring" or doing anything but playing for MU next season.

MU B2002

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 20, 2011, 09:21:51 AM
It's funny how hypocritical people here are. I  make a factual statement and the flying off the handle begins again. 


Can you please show me where the names of the 4 individuals were made public knowledge?  I am pretty sure it never happened.
"VPI"
- Mike Hunt

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: MU B2002 on June 20, 2011, 09:28:47 AM

Can you please show me where the names of the 4 individuals were made public knowledge?  I am pretty sure it never happened.

Chicos doesn't need confirmed facts or things to be public knowledge. He knows all and sees all. Just ask him. He also serves as judge, jury and executioner in cases where no charges are filed.

People are talking about you, Chicos! Does this fill the void in your life? Do you feel loved? Is it everything you dreamed it would be?

brewcity77

I just can't get that worked up about this. I was looking forward to Singleton being at Marquette, but never envisioned him having any bigger role than Rob Frozena did. I know that comments from Wes and Buzz had some people excited, but he was going to be a walk-on, and I personally never expected him to make more of a contribution than any other walk-on. Regardless of the "scandal" that wasn't or the people that thought he'd be first off the bench behind Cadougan, Singleton was going to be a walk-on, and anything he gave us above what Rob Frozena did for the past four years would have to be considered gravy. I'm glad he gave us a practice body for a year, and wish him the best wherever he decides to go, but this isn't even as big a deal as the length of the post I'm making to say it.

GGGG

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Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on June 20, 2011, 09:21:51 AM
It's funny how hypocritical people here are. I  make a factual statement and the flying off the handle begins again.  The heads plummet into the sand, the three monkeys of Seeing no Evil, Hearing no Evil, Speaking no Evil in full force.  Yet we all know if this happened to one of our rivals, people here would jump their crap immediately on this stuff.  Funny to watch, to say the least.   My comment was factual and considering who the other 2 players are, there is no chance in hell they will be "transferring" or doing anything but playing for MU next season.


Chicos, the point is that those who know who the four players are have gone to great pains to not identify who they are since this story broke - especially since no charges were filed or arrests were made.  And you have just identified two of them.  

And frankly outside of calling attention to yourself, I don't know why you would do so at this point in time.

LET ME ADD...that I don't think this incident had anything to do with why those players left.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on June 20, 2011, 09:34:24 AM
Chicos doesn't need confirmed facts or things to be public knowledge. He knows all and sees all. Just ask him. He also serves as judge, jury and executioner in cases where no charges are filed.

People are talking about you, Chicos! Does this fill the void in your life? Do you feel loved? Is it everything you dreamed it would be?


Careful, Stache, Chicos doesn't like it when people see through him. He'll accuse you of playing doctor or psychcologist.

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