no sexual assault charges but mu gets a timeout from mpd

[wyzgy]

http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/122678858.html

[muball]

just consider the source and ignore and move on

[PJDunn]

Pretty damning article.  At the end of the day we are no better than Wisconsin, Texas, Auburn, Tennessee, etc.  Got to protect the revenue.

[TallTitan34]

Why does it matter if the coaching staff discussed the incident before the authorities interviewed the suspects?  Marquette told the victim she could report the incident to MPD and she declined. Thats going to slow down the authorities won't it?

[wyzgy]

just consider the source and ignore and move on

source of the article? mpd? mu? the alleged victim? just saying it was news and it's out there.  whether this still has legs or not remains to be seen.  i believe the delay/time span has watered this down.  if it were really serious, more would have been done by now.  and that is not to say i take sexual assault lightly.  i don't like wolves crying either

[VanderBabyBlue]

Fwiw, this story went around my office today, with a couple females saying they weren't comfortable supporting the program right now.

[brewcity77]

source of the article? mpd? mu? the alleged victim? just saying it was news and it's out there.  whether this still has legs or not remains to be seen.  i believe the delay/time span has watered this down.  if it were really serious, more would have been done by now.  and that is not to say i take sexual assault lightly.  i don't like wolves crying either

The source of the article refers to who wrote it 

[ChicosBailBonds]

Fwiw, this story went around my office today, with a couple females saying they weren't comfortable supporting the program right now.

MU looked pretty bad in this.  They've had to admit mistakes, change policies, admit that there were gaps in the process that "could" have compromised witness integrity as well as those of the accused. 

If this same thing happened at Wisconsin, UW-Milwaukee, UCONN, etc...people here would be blasting those schools and the athletic departments.  Just the reality. 

I just hope the message gets through to a few of our guys that have more than a few instances already but seem to not have the lesson impressed into their brains enough to avoid the next one.  One player in particular needs to get his crap together immediately.

[brewcity77]

MU looked pretty bad in this.  They've had to admit mistakes, change policies, admit that there were gaps in the process that "could" have compromised witness integrity as well as those of the accused. 

If this same thing happened at Wisconsin, UW-Milwaukee, UCONN, etc...people here would be blasting those schools and the athletic departments.  Just the reality. 

I just hope the message gets through to a few of our guys that have more than a few instances already but seem to not have the lesson impressed into their brains enough to avoid the next one.  One player in particular needs to get his crap together immediately.

I sincerely hope the players learn from this for the future, but I think that while they may be changing policies, I really don't see what right they have to do that. If the victim doesn't want to go to the authorities and is an adult, the University has no right to go on her behalf. She has a right to privacy. Honestly, I maintain that there's really not much more the University could have done. While the events that transpired do leave a sour taste in the mouth, I don't think there's any wrongdoing here.

Off (this) topic, but it's nearly identical to the argument you are making in the Indiana thread. There isn't any real wrongdoing, but that doesn't mean everything is satisfactory.

[GGGG]

Rape victims have a right to privacy to keep their name out of the papers, official court documents etc.

They do not have the right to keep their name out of the hands of the police when they voluntarily report the crime.

[brewcity77]

They do not have the right to keep their name out of the hands of the police when they voluntarily report the crime.

But until March, she never did report the crime. Until she goes to the police herself, there is no criminal report. And if the option was made to her, that's her decision.

In addition, all findings from Marquette were that it was sexual harassment, not sexual assault or rape.

At the time of the incident, the girl didn't report a crime to police, thus there is no obligation for investigation. When DPS did their own investigation, they determined that it was sexual harassment, which as anyone who's worked in the public sector knows is a very broad category. But regardless, if she doesn't report the crime and DPS doesn't find any evidence of a crime, why would they violate her right to privacy and report something they don't believe happened?

[GGGG]

Brew, she doesn't have a "right to privacy" when it comes to DPS reporting it to MPD.  They are neither lawyers nor are they counselors who are both bound by confidentiality.  They are responsible for the *public* safety on the Marquette campus.

As I mentioned in the other thread, they are going to need to determine when it is appropriate or not to take cases to MPD, but don't create "rights" that do not exist.

[brewcity77]

Brew, she doesn't have a "right to privacy" when it comes to DPS reporting it to MPD.  They are neither lawyers nor are they counselors who are both bound by confidentiality.  They are responsible for the *public* safety on the Marquette campus.

As I mentioned in the other thread, they are going to need to determine when it is appropriate or not to take cases to MPD, but don't create "rights" that do not exist.

Reporting what? Something that they don't believe happened? They offered the opportunity to contact police and she declined. They investigated and determined there was no threat to public safety and no case of sexual assault (which she also seemed not to allege until March). I just don't get what they were supposed to do.

If you are at a restaurant and see a patron checking out the server's behind and issuing unwanted catcalls, should you call the police and say she was sexually assaulted, even though all you could determine yourself was sexual harassment? If they don't have any evidence that something happened, their investigation turns up nothing, and she doesn't want to talk to police, what should they do?

If they decide to make reports to MPD on a case-by-case basis I guess that's their right, but I don't see how this is a case that would have been reported to police in the first place. She didn't want to talk to them. I really don't see how that's not the end of the story.

[GGGG]

Brew, I don't disagree with anything you say here.  What I disagree with is the blanket idea that they shouldn't report potential crimes to MPD because the victim has a right to privacy.

[mu_hilltopper]

Honestly, I'll reserve judgement on MU, and the accused, until such time the details of the incident come out.  (Which will probably never happen.)

There's a wide spectrum of sexual misbehavior, from the uber heinous (rape) to something many would call inconsequential, like an utterance of a verbal, yet sexually charged slur.

Frankly, I put put my faith in the serious people, both men and women in power, at Marquette who heard the details and did what they did.  I know athletics is a big power at MU, but honestly don't believe the enormous mechanism that surrounds the AD would come close to "covering" up a serious incident.

[Pakuni]

Rape victims have a right to privacy to keep their name out of the papers, official court documents etc.

They do not have the right to keep their name out of the hands of the police when they voluntarily report the crime.

Actually, they don't. The reason you don't see rape victims' names in the media is because the media chooses not to disclose it. There is no right to that privacy.

[brewcity77]

Brew, I don't disagree with anything you say here.  What I disagree with is the blanket idea that they shouldn't report potential crimes to MPD because the victim has a right to privacy.

Well, that I agree with. Just one of those cases where we were arguing different points

[GGGG]

Actually, they don't. The reason you don't see rape victims' names in the media is because the media chooses not to disclose it. There is no right to that privacy.

You are correct.

[TedBaxter]

MU looked pretty bad in this.  They've had to admit mistakes, change policies, admit that there were gaps in the process that "could" have compromised witness integrity as well as those of the accused. 

If this same thing happened at Wisconsin, UW-Milwaukee, UCONN, etc...people here would be blasting those schools and the athletic departments.  Just the reality. 

I just hope the message gets through to a few of our guys that have more than a few instances already but seem to not have the lesson impressed into their brains enough to avoid the next one.  One player in particular needs to get his crap together immediately.

And who are you alluding to?

[Hoopaloop]

And who are you alluding to?

I have a guess from what alumni and students have told me.   Can I, can I?   

[TedBaxter]

Well, if I think I know who he was referring to, this student athletes name or the thought of his name shouldn't be involved in this thread since he wasn't involved in the situation that this thread refers to.

[4everwarriors]

Neil Diamond wrote and recorded one of my all-time favorite songs in 1972, dawg. He's in it to win it.

[GGGG]

Well, if I think I know who he was referring to, this student athletes name or the thought of his name shouldn't be involved in this thread since he wasn't involved in the situation that this thread refers to.

This is correct.

[ecompt]

I would be the first to rip UW if it happened there, so I can't be a hypocrite. I have no idea what happened, but to me even a suggestion of sexual harassment stinks.

[Daniel]

No matter how you look at it, it is a black eye for Marquette.  Basically, the article says the DPS did not do their job and should have reported it.  MU is basically saying, we didn't think a crime was being commited or had been commited, so didn't feel it was necessary to report.

I cannot imagine the school not discussing this stuff with the athletes, but I hope the kids learn from this is a BIG way.  They represent the university, and all of us who are supporters.