Is Maryland a "destination"?

[jesmu84]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6501211

sounds like Sean Miller is going to meet with Maryland. He may very well say no immediately, but even if he meets with them, what does that say about Maryland? Arizona?

I would have thought Arizona is definitely a better place to be than Maryland. Maryland seems Tier 2 in the ACC, while Arizona is Tier 1 in the Pac 10. Not to mention Arizona is in a better place right now.

please note, this has nothing to do with Marquette and the discussion of its coaches or "destination" status. keep it that way, thanks.

edit: maybe add this to the post in the Al. missed that thread, my bad.

[GGGG]

I think they are about the same.  If you are an east coast guy, Maryland might be a better option.  Plus, Tucson is a bit of an acquired taste.  I know people who love it there...and I know people who think it's a dirty crap-hole.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm guessing Turgeon of A&M takes the Maryland job.

[Skatastrophy]

Maryland is, contemporarily, the 5th best team in the ACC.  If an incoming coach can't keep the recruits they can easily slip to the doldrums of the conference.

[nyg]

Miller just turned down Maryland and signed an extension at Arizona.  

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6504485

[4everwarriors]

I'm guessing Turgeon of A&M takes the Maryland job.

Here then, I'll complete the thought that Buzz then bolts for College Station, aina?

[GGGG]

After just signing an extention with MU, it would be really bad form for Buzz to leave just a couple months later.  I doubt it happens.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Here then, I'll complete the thought that Buzz then bolts for College Station, aina?

I hope not.

Disagree that Maryland is the 5th best ACC job as well.  Baltimore and the D.C area is a hotbed for hoops.  They are basketball crazed and are not down the street from Duke or UNC.  I've seen some experts claim it is the 3rd best job in the ACC. 

[brewcity77]

In response to the question, god no. Maryland at their absolute best is third in the ACC. Destination jobs are those that span generations. UNC, Duke, Indiana, Kansas, UCLA, Kentucky, does Maryland fit in that conversation? If Maryland does, then Marquette certainly does. MU has more title game appearances, more Final Fours, more Elite Eights, more Sweet 16s, and more NCAA Tournament appearances.

Maryland is a nice upper level program, but they are not a destination job. That distinction is reserved for the top few programs in NCAA history. They were fine under Gary Williams and all, but they don't even remotely compare to the aforementioned jobs. Not even in the same galaxy.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Who is above Maryland in the ACC beside UNC and Duke?

They've won a NCAA title this century.

Maryland is more of a destination job than Marquette by most people's standards.  Brand new on campus arena, very fertile recruiting base, great league that is stable and not in jeopardy of blowing up, tremendous history, etc.

[Coleman]

Who is above Maryland in the ACC beside UNC and Duke?

Agreed, but big deal. They are the third most prestigious program in their conference. You could very well say the same thing about the Badgers or Purdue. That doesn't make them a "destination."

Nevertheless, Maryland IS a good program and I'd say definitely in the top 20 of programs you'd want to coach.

[brewcity77]

Who is above Maryland in the ACC beside UNC and Duke?

They've won a NCAA title this century.

Maryland is more of a destination job than Marquette by most people's standards.  Brand new on campus arena, very fertile recruiting base, great league that is stable and not in jeopardy of blowing up, tremendous history, etc.

There are maybe 10-15 destination jobs in college hoops, and that's probably pushing it. Saying Maryland is more of a destination job than Marquette is like saying UW-Green Bay is more of a destination job than South Dakota. It may be technically true, but neither are destination jobs.

A destination job is the kind of job a coach would never want to leave. The kind of job you work all your career to get. The only way a guy would ever consider leaving is if another equal job with more personal ties (see Roy from KU to UNC) came open. Jobs like Kentucky, Duke, Indiana (sorry Crean-haters), Kansas, and UCLA fit this criteria. Maybe you could make a case for Michigan State, Ohio State, or Connecticut. Maybe. But Maryland? Please. Until you can say with a straight face that Maryland is on par with Kansas or Kentucky, it isn't a destination job. It's a nice upper-level job in a good conference, like Illinois, Marquette, Oklahoma State, or Washington. All nice jobs to varying degrees, but no one on the planet is stupid enough to confuse them with UNC, Duke, or UCLA.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I never said Maryland was a destination job, not sure why people here are putting those words in my mouth.  I said it was the 3rd best ACC job.  Also has a tremendous recruiting base over many other schools, on campus facilities that probably only 10 schools can match, basketball crazy, etc.

Again, never said it was a destination job.  Is it a better job than Marquette?  Yes.  It is a destination job?  No. 

[KipsBayEagle]

When maryland has there act together they are just as good as duke and unc.  Those late 90's early 00's maryland teams were stacked.  That being said, no job in college hoops is really a destination job anymore.  Salaries are reaching a ridiculously heavy top end level of parity, and why would anyone switch jobs for basically no salary increase and much higher expectations, other than for personal reasons?

[brewcity77]

I never said Maryland was a destination job, not sure why people here are putting those words in my mouth.  I said it was the 3rd best ACC job.  Also has a tremendous recruiting base over many other schools, on campus facilities that probably only 10 schools can match, basketball crazy, etc.

Again, never said it was a destination job.  Is it a better job than Marquette?  Yes.  It is a destination job?  No.

Well, you did say it was more of a destination job than Marquette. I'm saying that neither of them are destination jobs. Is Wesley Matthews more of an All-Star than Lazar Hayward? No. He's proven more to date, but as neither is an All-Star, he can't be more of an All-Star.

And you said that seemingly in direct response (albeit without a quote) to my preceding comment in which I said that they definitively weren't a destination job and that Marquette deserves to be in the discussion just as much as Maryland. Let's be honest, Marquette has a more prolific basketball history, at the very least comparable facilities, and a bigger basketball budget than Maryland (or anyone outside of Duke) does. You can make plenty of cases for them as a destination, but you can make just as many counter-arguments for Marquette.

But at the end of the day, it's irrelevant, because neither of them are on par with the North Carolinas, Indianas, or Kentuckys of the world.

Maryland may be the third best job in the ACC (emphasis on may) but that's about as useful as being fourth best in the Big 12 or third best in the Pac-12. Nothing wrong with it, but it doesn't put you on par with Duke, UNC, Kansas, or UCLA.

[nyg]

http://www.tbd.com/articles/2011/05/mike-brey-says-he-s-staying-at-notre-dame-won-t-come-coach-at-maryland-60260.html

Brey just took himself out.

Next possible target is Stevens from Butler, then Turgeon, then Shaka from VCU.  

[brewcity77]

http://www.tbd.com/articles/2011/05/mike-brey-says-he-s-staying-at-notre-dame-won-t-come-coach-at-maryland-60260.html

Brey just took himself out.

Next possible target is Stevens from Butler, then Turgeon, then Shaka from VCU.  

I can't see Stevens taking it. It just doesn't feel like the right move for him now, and he'd have to immediately compete with K and Ole Roy. I think he's far more likely to move to a Big Ten school first. Turgeon I could see. A&M is a decent job, but it constantly lives in Texas' shadow. Though he is a Big 12 guy, I can't see him waiting for Self to leave Kansas, as that probably won't be for 20-30 years.

As far as Shaka...if I were him I'd jump at this. While I realize that he just re-upped at VCU, I think the idea was to stay there for a year in hopes that a good high-major came open, and there simply weren't any after his Final Four run. Maryland is the best job that's been open this Spring and he's familiar with the general area. If it's one of these three, my money's on Smart.

[nyg]

http://www.testudotimes.com/2011/5/8/2160029/maryland-coaching-search-miller-turned-terps-down-now-what

From UMD newspaper.  Prior to Brey turndown.

[HouWarrior]

The local Duke Club president, was my law partner, and I've listened (or pretended to listen-lol), to everything that is ACC BB, for over 15 years.
To ACCers Maryland is absolutely the third best program in the ACC, and they're totally in concurrence with Chicos, on that point, as am I.

Destination? Well it seems next you'd be determining if the 3rd best program in the ACC is a "destination".

The ACC is considered better in BB than Pac 10, which has fallen off badly in recent years...so East coaster Sean Miller, may well consider it a better locale, and ultimately, an upgradeable program, just currently a little down. Certainly, the ACC is usually among the top 3 conferences for BB, almost every year.

The Maryland program's record is fairly similar to MU basketball :
NCAA Appearances 24*
NCAA W-L record 38-23
Sweet Sixteen 13
Elite Eight 5
Final Four 2
National Championships 1

Overall
Years of basketball 87

Head coaches (all-time) 7

All-time record 1368-962
20+ win seasons 23
30+ win seasons 1
In the NCAA/NIT postseason in 32 of last 40 years
19 All American Players

87 years ..7 coaches..Lefty Drisell, Gary Williams


Maybe now, neither MU, nor Maryland , are at the highest level as destination jobs, but both are attractive, solid programs, in very good BB conferences. Andy Katz called Maryland one of the top 10-15 coaching jobs in the USa...I'm not quite there, but Maryland and MU are easily both top 30 programs--all time.

[brewcity77]

http://www.testudotimes.com/2011/5/8/2160029/maryland-coaching-search-miller-turned-terps-down-now-what

From UMD newspaper.  Prior to Brey turndown.

I think that shows just how different Maryland's perception of their program and the rest of the world's perception of their program is. "Brey would jump at this offer" they say. Apparently not. He said "No meetings, Go Irish". As far as Jay Wright, the writer said "They didn't indicate if it was because he wasn't interested or because Maryland wasn't, though, and I think the latter is more likely than the former." Right. Why would Jay Wright leave his recruiting hotbed where he is perennially getting into the top 15 in the country and competing in basketball's best conference for a move that it would be very hard to argue is even lateral right now. MD isn't what they were ten years ago. However I do agree that Turgeon is unlikely to relocate to the East Coast.

Shaka Smart is the guy I do think they could still get, but going to an assistant isn't a bad call. I'll be curious to see what happens, but while I could agree on them being a top 30 job, it's not like all of these guys will be crawling over each other to take over the reins at MD.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Well, you did say it was more of a destination job than Marquette. I'm saying that neither of them are destination jobs. Is Wesley Matthews more of an All-Star than Lazar Hayward? No. He's proven more to date, but as neither is an All-Star, he can't be more of an All-Star.

Because that is true.  You don't see Maryland's coach over the years being named for other jobs, because Maryland is way more of a destination job than MU.  Part of the reason why MU coaches are named for other jobs every time the wind blows is because it's MU.  KO, TC, BW...just the way it is.

I think anyone that takes off the shades knows that Maryland is much more of a destination job than MU is by any criteria. 

Let's put it another way, Maryland had Lefty Driesell there for 15+ years.  Gary Williams there for 20+ years.  Millikan there for 15+ years.  Shipley was probably there for 30+.

MU has had ONE GUY longer than 15 years.  ONE GUY.  Part of making it a destination job is that coaches go to that destination and they don't leave.  At MU, that's not the case. 

It doesn't make MU a bad job or a second class citizen, but it's reality.  There's a reason why certain schools get coaches and they stay for long periods of time and why MU gets coaches and they leave.  Some schools are destination jobs, some schools are not.  Maryland is certainly MORE of a destination job than MU.  Just the way it is.

[2012 Warrior]

by brew's logic becky is a "destination"

don't see bo put up for any jobs, i understand hes older, but same logic

[GGGG]

Remember...Gary Williams left Ohio State to go to Maryland.

Maryland is a good job and my guess if he would have done this earlier, the names thrown out there would be greater.  He probably did this to get his top assistant the job like when Dick Bennett left Wisconsin to basically give the job to Brad Soderberg.

[brewcity77]

by brew's logic becky is a "destination"

don't see bo put up for any jobs, i understand hes older, but same logic

By my logic? 

Do you realize that I'm saying there probably aren't more than ten destination jobs in the country, and that neither Marquette nor Maryland are at that level? And certainly not Wisconsin.

[2012 Warrior]

Sorry brew, meant chico's