Rumors that the new CBA will require NBA bound players to either...

[Pakuni]

The economic freedom arguments are silly. Since this is part of union bargaining a minimum age can be set. It is in other professions all the time. I actually think the nba is working with the ncaa to get the two year rule. The ncaa knows the one and done is a mockery of what they say about the student athlete.

OK, once again, nobody is saying the NBA can't do this. In fact, if you'd read the thread, you'd see that I and others have already explained why and how they can do it.
The questions are should they do it and what makes potential NBA players different from most other would be professional athletes when it comes to the need for one or two years of faux education.
A two-year requirement would be no less a mockery of what the NCAA says about the student-athlete. Unless you can explain to me why making an uninterested kid do the
absolute minimum for three semesters is such an improvement over one semester.

And since you mention it, please name some of the many other professions that enact age requirements "all the time."

[GGGG]

Should they do it?  Sure. If they want to and the players agree why not? They feel it would help their product and reduce their costs.

Electricians and plumbers locals often have minimum age requirements.

[RawdogDX]

OK, once again, nobody is saying the NBA can't do this. In fact, if you'd read the thread, you'd see that I and others have already explained why and how they can do it.
1)The questions are should they do it and what makes potential NBA players different from most other would be professional athletes when it comes to the need for one or two years of faux education.
A two-year requirement would be no less a mockery of what the NCAA says about the student-athlete. Unless you can explain to me why making an uninterested kid do the
absolute minimum for three semesters is such an improvement over one semester.

And since you mention it, please name some of the many other professions that enact age requirements "all the time."

should,  Wouldn't that make it an ethical or moral argument?
Why is every number of years under 4 a faux education?
Why isn't it less of a mockery?  They would have gone pro at 18, but they weren't born in 85...  So now everything they do is a mockery?  Why doesn't the same argument hold for CFB?  And yes there is a huge difference between class for 3 semesters and 1.  Something happens to people when they go home for the summer after their freshman year and when they go back their sophomore year.

There are still plenty of athletes at schools like MU, schools where it means buying into education.  Even if they don't leave with the special piece of paper you have.

Everytime a company requires a degree it is an age restriction. 

[Pakuni]

Should they do it?  Sure. If they want to and the players agree why not? They feel it would help their product and reduce their costs.

Electricians and plumbers locals often have minimum age requirements.

Why not? Because it enacts unfair economic restrictions on a class of individuals and helps make college basketball even more of a mockery. Two pretty compelling reasons, in my book. You're obviously free to disagree. Doesn't seem like either of us has much chance of convincing the other.
It certainly reduces NBA owners' costs, and that's the whole point of it (and clearing roster spots for guys like Rasual Butler and Brian Scalabrine).
But I don't buy it helping their product. Did the early entries of Kevin Garnett, Kobe Bryant and LeBron James hurt the NBA product, or help it with the additional buzz they generated as high schoolers turning pro?
Did Eddy Curry and Kwame Brown being bad lessen the NBA product any more than Adam Morrison and Michael Olowakandi being bad? Bad play hurts the NBA product, we agree, but there have been far more upperclassmen who came in and played badly as there have been high schoolers. And a majority of the league's best players spent one year or less in college (i.e. seven of the nine American-born all-star game starters), so clearly the early entry is hurting development.

Those minimum ages for plumbing/electricians, usually 17 or 18, are only to keep minors from joining the union. That's not exactly analogous to what we're talking about here. The NBA isn't trying to prevent minors from joining the league. they're blocking adults.

[GGGG]

Pakuni you are just making moral arguments. If the nba can get away with not paying for a development system, and it is legal, they should do it. Whether it is "fair" or not isn't really relevant. I mean is it "fair" that bball players are compensated the way they are to begin with?

[Pakuni]

should,  Wouldn't that make it an ethical or moral argument?

Ummm ... no. Every question that begins with the word "should" is not a moral or ethical question.
Should I drive home tonight after drinking 16 PBRs?

Why is every number of years under 4 a faux education?

It's not ... except when said education is being "earned" by a kid simply going through the motions and doing the bare minimum to remain eligible through a bunch of basketweaving courses while biding his time for the NBA draft. And that's exactly what this requirement would create (just as the one-year requirement has created it).

And yes there is a huge difference between class for 3 semesters and 1.  Something happens to people when they go home for the summer after their freshman year and when they go back their sophomore year.

Since when do college basketball players go home for the summer? And what magical happens between their first and second years?

There are still plenty of athletes at schools like MU, schools where it means buying into education.  Even if they don't leave with the special piece of paper you have.

Yes, and those are the kids who will lose out on scholarship opportunities when kids who don't want to go to college are forced to by these rules.

Everytime a company requires a degree it is an age restriction. 

Not at all true. A degree is a means of showing you may have the necessary skills, aptitude and education to perform the tasks of a particular job. Nothing a kid learns in Spanish 101, Theory of Music, Basic Geometry or Introduction to Ballroom Dancing is going to make him any more or less able to perform the necessary requirements of professional basketball.

[Pakuni]

Pakuni you are just making moral arguments. If the nba can get away with not paying for a development system, and it is legal, they should do it. Whether it is "fair" or not isn't really relevant. I mean is it "fair" that bball players are compensated the way they are to begin with?

Once again, it's an economic argument, not a moral argument.
And of course it's fair for them to compensated the way they are. If people were willing to shell out ridiculous sums for your work product, would you not expect to be be compensated proportionately?
Nobody p*sses and moans about an attorney who's able to bill $1,500 an hour or the actor who gets paid $20 million for three months work on a film, and yet when an athlete earns millions of dollars a year, it's unfair?

[GGGG]

An "economic freedom" argument is a moral one. It isn't really based in employee law for instance.

I guess in the end my heart doesn't really go out to the 18-19 ball player who can't play in the NBA. They have alternatives that will enable them to survive.  And I can see why the nba would want to do this and that is fine by me. 

[RawdogDX]

Since when do college basketball players go home for the summer? And what magical happens between their first and second years?
They do go home for a few weeks.  And I'm guessing that they aren't so different from most kids today.  Most of whom go home, meet up with their highschool friends and have a few awkward moments where they realized that they had changed and those other people didn't.  Then they go back and realize that they have more in common with their new friends.  This is a common occurrence.  And I think it will be a good thing in the development of athletes who will be making a lot of $ very young.  Was that too magical for you? 

Not at all true. A degree is a means of showing you may have the necessary skills, aptitude and education to perform the tasks of a particular job. Nothing a kid learns in Spanish 101, Theory of Music, Basic Geometry or Introduction to Ballroom Dancing is going to make him any more or less able to perform the necessary requirements of professional basketball.
So you are saying that Employers use college experience as a way of vetting people?  To see if they have the skills they need to be successful at their company?  Exact same thing the NBA wants. 
They don't want to spend millions on people who haven't' been vetted by college.  That is their choice.  Please stop informing us of how the owners are "Using" cbb.  We know, we're cool with it.

[Pakuni]

Sultan, Rawdog .... respect your opinions, but think you're wrong (obviously). At this point, I'm not going to change your minds and you're not changing mine, so rather than tread the same territory again and again, we'll leave it at that.