OU speculation on Buzz is fading

[Tulsa Warrior]

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/blogs/blog.aspx?blogid=12

[Benny B]

I tend to agree with this. The deeper we go, the less likely Buzz is going anywhere for a long, long time (i.e. the higher his price goes and the more likely his contract is extended to make him one of the highest paid coaches.)

7 figure buyout?!?  I wouldn't be surprised at all.

[tower912]

IWB reports on the scout board that he has had multiple sources tell him Buzz is staying.    FWIW

[Goose]

MU speculation on Buzz is rising. Lets keep this guy for a long time. Go get 'em Buzz!

[🏀]

IWB reports on the scout board that he has had multiple sources tell him Buzz is staying.    FWIW

That's worth almost as much as Chicos' sources at IU, PU & the NCAA.

[mu_hilltopper]

7 figure buyout?!?  I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Honestly, I don't know why it wouldn't be an 8 figure buyout.  In 2008, Buzz didn't have an agent, and didn't have any other job offers, and he was going to be paid crazy money by a Big East team to be their head coach, 365 days after, as he's said, he was reported to have committed career suicide. 

They could have had a clause that he had to hand-wash Cottingham's car every Saturday.

[Litehouse]

After reading that blog, it seems pretty clear that guy has no real information whatsoever and is just speculating like everyone on here.  It also sounds like a lot of back-peddling to help OU save face.

[HoopsMalone]

Honestly, I don't know why it wouldn't be an 8 figure buyout.  In 2008, Buzz didn't have an agent, and didn't have any other job offers, and he was going to be paid crazy money by a Big East team to be their head coach, 365 days after, as he's said, he was reported to have committed career suicide. 

They could have had a clause that he had to hand-wash Cottingham's car every Saturday.

Buzz paid many dues, but never really had to coach at a mid-major.  He inherited a team with at least three NBA players (counted McNeal) and maybe two more if DJ and Butler ever get a 10 day.  That is well worth any buy-out clause.  He does not have to keep it in there for his extension whenever it comes.

[reinko]

Buzz paid many dues, but never really had to coach at a mid-major.  He inherited a team with at least three NBA players (counted McNeal) and maybe two more if DJ and Butler ever get a 10 day.  That is well worth any buy-out clause.  He does not have to keep it in there for his extension whenever it comes.

Did he sign DJO and Butler, not inherit them?

[beaconwarrior]

From Troy Nunes Syracuse basketball blog:

"If there's some good to come out of this game, it's that Buzz Williams will almost certainly be coaching somewhere else next year. Probably Oklahoma. So whatever hold he has over Syracuse at the moment, he'll be gone and things can go back to normal. So in a way, we really screwed over Marquette by losing twice to them. Sorry bout that, Goldies."

No one wants to face Buzz...

[LON]

From Troy Nunes Syracuse basketball blog:

"If there's some good to come out of this game, it's that Buzz Williams will almost certainly be coaching somewhere else next year. Probably Oklahoma. So whatever hold he has over Syracuse at the moment, he'll be gone and things can go back to normal. So in a way, we really screwed over Marquette by losing twice to them. Sorry bout that, Goldies."

No one wants to face Buzz...

'Cuse fans are just bitter...because we took it to them twice this year after going 0-5...and that UCONN is still in the tourney.

They can pound sand.  I've never met a 'Cuse fan I've liked...I'm sure there are some out there though.

[mu_hilltopper]

Buzz paid many dues, but never really had to coach at a mid-major.  He inherited a team with at least three NBA players (counted McNeal) and maybe two more if DJ and Butler ever get a 10 day.  That is well worth any buy-out clause.  He does not have to keep it in there for his extension whenever it comes.

And that's fine and dandy .. the point is, he was in no position to reject a huge BE head coach contract.  And it'd be nice if we had that huge buyout now, meaning MU wouldn't be forced into a new contract every time their coach wins a couple games in March.

[[Mu]EngiNerd]

That blog is incredible bipolar...
19th -- tough for buzz to leave because team is close
20th -- we have reports hearing buzz is top of the list and he wants out
21st -- Money is a buzz kill along with winning

It seems odd how this guy is on both ends of the spectrum form day to day blogs...

[muarmy81]

Did he sign DJO and Butler, not inherit them?

He signed DJO and was the lead recruiter on Butler. (And O'tule)

[HoopsMalone]

Did he sign DJO and Butler, not inherit them?

Signed them, but that has zero bearing on his contract negotiations in 2008.

[lurch91]

He signed DJO and was the lead recruiter on Butler. (And O'tule)

Tought Jimmy signed with MU after Buzz got hired as Head Coach.  I also remember Buzz saying something to the effect that they had never even met - so not much of a recruitment.

[HoopsMalone]

And that's fine and dandy .. the point is, he was in no position to reject a huge BE head coach contract.  And it'd be nice if we had that huge buyout now, meaning MU wouldn't be forced into a new contract every time their coach wins a couple games in March.

Exactly.  Buzz was probably underqualified at the time.  MU was in position to dictate the terms and I am happy that we did.  

[BallBoy]

Tought Jimmy signed with MU after Buzz got hired as Head Coach.  I also remember Buzz saying something to the effect that they had never even met - so not much of a recruitment.

They had meet has Buzz had seen Fulce play many times. 

It was actually that Jimmy had never seen the campus before he signed. 

[IWB]

I tend to agree with this. The deeper we go, the less likely Buzz is going anywhere for a long, long time (i.e. the higher his price goes and the more likely his contract is extended to make him one of the highest paid coaches.)

7 figure buyout?!?  I wouldn't be surprised at all.

Actually it is, and a pretty hefty one at that.

[lurch91]

They had meet has Buzz had seen Fulce play many times.  

It was actually that Jimmy had never seen the campus before he signed.  

Fulce signed with Buzz to play at UNO, when Buzz resigned there, Fulce went JUCO.  When Buzz ended up at Marquette, Fulce signed with Marquette - that's why Buzz and Joe's connection is so strong, they've known each other so long.

Think buzz also started recruiting CO when he was at UNO.  Crean needed a big man, but Buzz wasn't sure CO was Big East material.  Crean signed CO anyway because you can't teach height.

Edit:  Or maybe it was that Bulter had never seen/visited the Maruqette campus.  I can't remember exactly now....

[MUBurrow]

Exactly.  Buzz was probably underqualified at the time.  MU was in position to dictate the terms and I am happy that we did.  

Its important to note though, that in the relationships between Buzz and MU, this affects the whole "Buzz appreciates what MU did for him, etc etc" arguments we saw in why he would stay. If MU did dictate the terms advantageously based on the lack of bargaining strength at the time, I think it serves to undermine that Buzz would feel he owes anything, makes the contract seem much more arms length, and would mean we have often been overemphasizing the moral reciprocation between Buzz and those cutting the checks.

[Tugg Speedman]

Fulce signed with Buzz to play at UNO, when Buzz resigned there, Fulce went JUCO.  When Buzz ended up at Marquette, Fulce signed with Marquette - that's why Buzz and Joe's connection is so strong, they've known each other so long.

Actually Fulce first signed with assistant HC Buzz at Texas A&M.  When Buzz became HC at UNO, Fulce moved with him.  Then Fulce moved to MU when Buzz was hired as an assistant (and recommended his Juco buddy Jimmy Butler).  When Fulce starting playing for MU, Buzz was HC.

These two have a history rarely seen in this sport.  How many college players follow a coach through three different schools and four jobs (including assistant and HC at MU)?  Also remember when Joe hurt his leg against TAMCC and we thought he was done for the year, Buzz got misty eyed and told Homer, "I love that guy."

That's why I asked several weeks ago if Fulce would remain, or comeback as a assistant under Buzz.  Sounds like Buzz would jump on a grenade for Fulce.

[Blackhat]

according to this Arkansas sports writer, from oklah. sources,  it is $3.8 mil.   

http://twitter.com/WallyLikeItIs

[Niv Berkowitz]

That's a pretty big buyout. For OU, put that on top of Caple's salary still owed, and then Buzz' new salary and you are at around $8M there. For Arkansas, you're at probably $5-6M.

[ChicosBailBonds]

That's a pretty big buyout. For OU, put that on top of Caple's salary still owed, and then Buzz' new salary and you are at around $8M there. For Arkansas, you're at probably $5-6M.

Agree

That's a large buyout by today's standards, but reflective of Buzz's short tenure.  Usually, the longer tenured coaches have a smaller buyout which they negotiate themselves to give them more flexibility. If it's truly that high, this is a help for MU as a result of relatively short head coaching experience that allows for that protection for the university.

More than likely, Buzz's next contract will have a smaller buyout.

As an example, the Crean buyout was about $650,000 at MU.  At IU, his buyout goes down after certain tenure targets are hit.  Years 1-3 it's a $3M buyout, years 4-5 it's $2M, years 6 through 10 it's a $1M.  Pretty standard stuff.

Caple's buyout is reported to be north of $2M.