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Litehouse

MU isn't in a bad recruiting area, Buzz just has more contacts in Texas/Oklahoma than he does in Chicago.

NersEllenson

Quote from: Litehouse on March 18, 2011, 03:43:37 PM
MU isn't in a bad recruiting area, Buzz just has more contacts in Texas/Oklahoma than he does in Chicago.

There is nothing great about MKE as a recruiting area...lots of challenges...limited in state talent...small school...weather....girls...
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

4everwarriors

No, not money alone. But all things considered, to me it's a foregone conclusion. Ark, OK, and Tenn have unlimited resources.
"Give 'Em Hell, Al"

Shack

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 18, 2011, 03:40:17 PM
Shack...MU's biggest problems are that it is a bad recruiting area and doesn't have a football team that can guaranty its long term stability in a major conference.  Arkansas and Oklahoma are closer to Texas, which Buzz knows like the back of his hand, and both are in solid conferences.  Arkansas also has a much better on-campus arena.

Good points.  I've heard Buzz mention on his radio show what a pain in the ass it is to recruit guys from the South based on where he lives.  He has to hop on a plane and spend maybe an hour with them at most, rather than being able to drive to a game/recruit after practice.

Maybe we need a coach with some better Chicago connections.  Wisconsin is limited but we should be doing better in Chicago/Indianapolis region than what we are currently doing.  Crean did well at that..obviously.  

Goose

Ners---Why the negative vibe on state high school talent? We have far more talent locally than we had 30 years ago. Buzz has done well in WI landing some talent for us.

MattyWarrior

I think Buzz will stick around now that he finally has a roster he build and see where he can go with it. He doesn't strike me as the type of person that finally
reaches one of his goals in life and then turns it around to be all about him.His talent is finally real competitive, and I think he sticks around to see what he can do with it. 

NersEllenson

Quote from: Goose on March 18, 2011, 03:55:24 PM
Ners---Why the negative vibe on state high school talent? We have far more talent locally than we had 30 years ago. Buzz has done well in WI landing some talent for us.

Generally WI turns out about 2 legitimate high major players per year....compare that to a state like Indiana (even with similar population as WI), that turns out 5-10 on average...plus factor in that MU isn't the "flagship" university of WI..very challenging.

Memphis..for example can field a very talented team..just based off of Memphis talent alone.  
"I'm not sure Cadougan would fix the problems on this team. I'm not even convinced he would be better for this team than DeWil is."

BrewCity77, December 8, 2013

Stretchdeltsig

Agree with Randy... that Buzz had done a very good job recruiting talent and has a team that he has built.  Buzz will want to stay with "his" team.  After all, he is a young coach and is positioning to take Marquette to the top ten again.  Hope he can land an "air craft carrier" that will make MU a real power.

HoopsMalone

Quote from: Shack on March 18, 2011, 03:48:41 PM
 He has to hop on a plane and spend maybe an hour with them at most, rather than being able to drive to a game/recruit after practice.

Norman and Fayetteville are not the solution to that problem.  If Buzz wants to make drives, then talented players are farther away from Norman than Chicago now.  He will still be getting on planes to get his recruiting done at OU.  It's a shorter flight to Texas from there, but still a plane ride.  

Buzz has gotten Vander, J-May, and Jamil Wilson to commit.  He has gotten reasonably far with Tokoto and Mike Shaw.  He is not doing bad with the local guys.  He won't win them all unless he can throw up "hook em horns."  

I would imagine he would get pretty much the same amount of local talent at OU that he is getting here.  UNC/Duke caliber players are no more likely to commit to OU compared to Madison or Marquette.  He will still lose those.  OU and Ark would not end his plane rides.

Pakuni

Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 18, 2011, 04:09:22 PM
I would imagine he would get pretty much the same amount of local talent at OU that he is getting here.  UNC/Duke caliber players are no more likely to commit to OU compared to Madison or Marquette.  He will still lose those.  OU and Ark would not end his plane rides.

Actually, they probably are if they come from Oklahoma or Arkansas.
Of the four all-time McDonald's AAs from Wisconsin, UW had landed two, MU none.
Of the five all time from Arkansas, the University of Arkansas has landed four.
Of the eight all time from Oklahoma, OU has landed 3. (Kansas got three others. UNC/Duke got none).

Being the flagship state university, especially in an area that lacks major pro sports, is a big advantage when recruiting in-state kids.

GGGG

Ners, I think you are being generous about the two, high major players per year.  I think it is one or two a year.  For instance, in this years class, Wisconsin has produced Jesperson from Merrill who is going to Virginia...and possibly Lomomba from Memorial...although nothing has been determined yet.  For 2012 there is Tokoto and...Duane Wilson?

Chicago produces a lot of talent, but NOTHING compared to Texas.  For instance, in the 2010 Rivals 150, 13 came from Texas, 6 from Illinois and 1 from Wisconsin.

GGGG

Quote from: HoopsMalone on March 18, 2011, 04:09:22 PM
Norman and Fayetteville are not the solution to that problem.  If Buzz wants to make drives, then talented players are farther away from Norman than Chicago now.


I mentioned this in another post, but Texas has more top talent than Chicago does.  Not even close.

Tugg Speedman

Quote from: Litehouse on March 18, 2011, 03:41:02 PM
Would he really leave for money though?  I think MU would match anything Oklahoma or Arkansas would offer, I can't see them paying more than $2M for a coach with Buzz's limited resume.  If Buzz leaves, he leaves, but I don't think it's for money.  Maybe to be closer to home and his strongest recruiting region, but not money.

Last year DePaul was rumored to be willing go as high as $2.5 million/year for a top line coach.  Everyone turned them down.  They wound up paying $1.7m for Oliver Purnell. 

Not a bad hire and has a lot longer resume than Buzz.  Cannot see him worth $2/year right now.

mugrack

With his decision yo leave or stay , Buzz Williams "character will be revealed." Like he says its not about the Buzz Williams rock in the bottle, but all the other rocks and the sand and the water that are important.  Does Buzz believe his own "life lessons" or are they just a bunch of hot air?  We will soon find out.

GGGG

Quote from: mugrack on March 18, 2011, 05:45:28 PM
With his decision yo leave or stay , Buzz Williams "character will be revealed."

Why?  As long as he stands by the terms of his contract, he is under no moral obligation to remain here.

mugrack


Lennys Tap

I think (and hear) there's almost no chance Buzz leaves for Arkansas or Tennessee. Oklahoma is another story - they would be very hard to say no to. I agree with mug though - if he leaves he's not the guy I thought he was.

Jay Bee

Quote from: The Sultan of South Wayne on March 18, 2011, 05:22:54 PM
Ners, I think you are being generous about the two, high major players per year.  I think it is one or two a year.  For instance, in this years class, Wisconsin has produced Jesperson from Merrill who is going to Virginia...and possibly Lomomba from Memorial...although nothing has been determined yet.  For 2012 there is Tokoto and...Duane Wilson?

Jesperson.. Elgin cook in 2011.  Lomomba is a 2012, bro.  And depends on how you define WI players...

2012.. Tokoto (UNC), Dekker (WI), Lomomba.. Cinmeon Bowers, Arroyo Edwards possibilities... call Phillip Nolan a non-WI kid if you want, but..



The portal is NOT closed.

MikeyT42

Elgin Cook doesn't live in this state anymore. He moved to Texas.

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