Depaul is God Awful

[Clam Crowder]

Lost to Indiana State tonight 73 to 51. Wow

[willie warrior]

Don't forget (even though I would like to) DePaul handled us last year.

[MUfan12]

Don't forget (even though I would like to) DePaul handled us last year.

Handled?

They beat us on a last second prayer because MU missed free throws. I think it'd be more appropriate to say MU handed it to DePaul last year.

[Fullodds]

They beat us.  We lost.  We did not hand them anything other than their only BE win.

This year, DePaul looks like it could go on to win about 6-7 games all year.  Tough to run a system like Purnell's without his players.

[Brewtown Andy]

Handled?

They beat us on a last second prayer because MU missed free throws. I think it'd be more appropriate to say MU handed it to DePaul last year.

KenPom's win probability chart for the game indicates that. 

[Lennys Tap]

DePaul didn't "handle" us but we did lose. No MU fan is likely to forget it, but just in case we have posters who bring it up every time DePaul is mentioned.

[foreverwarriors]

KenPom's win probability chart for the game indicates that. 

wow...thats a great graphic

[Dawson Rental]

If I'm reading that chart right, we had the game in the bag until under 30 seconds to go.

[Dawson Rental]

Lost to Indiana State tonight 73 to 51. Wow

This should surprise no one.  They went 1-17 in the Big East last year, lost their two best players - Mac Koshwal and Will Walker (both of whom were recruited by MU) - and had an undistinguished recruiting class.

DePaul's website notes that in the last four years their new coach, Oliver Purnell, had the third best winning percentage in the ACC behind NC and Duke, so things should improve with time.  Also, a frosh, Brandon Young, has been playing well for them, but they have way too many holes right now.

[bilsu]

We also lost to a bad South Florida team the year before. So we should expect someone to upset us on the road.

[Steve Buscemi]

1994-95   Oliver Purnell   7-20   
1995-96   Oliver Purnell   15-14              
1996-97   Oliver Purnell   13-14      
1997-98   Oliver Purnell   21-12
1998-99   Oliver Purnell   11-17

Growing up a Dayton fan, I know allllll about this...  It'll take him a couple years to set up his system... but within 7 years, he'll have that team competing in the Big East. Quote me.

[Brewtown Andy]

If I'm reading that chart right, we had the game in the bag until under 30 seconds to go.

I think there was a 70+% chance of MU winning up until that shot went into the air.

[rocky_warrior]

1994-95   Oliver Purnell   7-20   
1995-96   Oliver Purnell   15-14              
1996-97   Oliver Purnell   13-14      
1997-98   Oliver Purnell   21-12
1998-99   Oliver Purnell   11-17

Growing up a Dayton fan, I know allllll about this...  It'll take him a couple years to set up his system... but within 7 years, he'll have that team competing in the Big East. Quote me.

Not to dispute you point, as the trends seems to be that he can build teams...what happened in 98-99 in Dayton?  I don't recall...from the records he stumbled quite a bit there....

[Les Nessman]

1994-95   Oliver Purnell   7-20   
1995-96   Oliver Purnell   15-14              
1996-97   Oliver Purnell   13-14      
1997-98   Oliver Purnell   21-12
1998-99   Oliver Purnell   11-17

Growing up a Dayton fan, I know allllll about this...  It'll take him a couple years to set up his system... but within 7 years, he'll have that team competing in the Big East. Quote me.

From your numbers it doesn't seem like he built anything. The 7-20 season and the 21-12 season just seem like outliers. He had a losing record in 3 of the 5 years he was there and one season where he was better than .500 by 1 game. More importantly in the 5th season, where he had all of his own players, they tanked. I wouldn't exactly say that he built anything. 

[MUBurrow]

Looks to me like all he does is leave programs in better shape than when he showed up.  Good hire.

       Team      Wins   Losses   Pct
10-11 DePaul    3   5      0.375   
09-10 Clemson    21   11      0.656   
08-09 Clemson    23   9      0.719   
07-08 Clemson    24   10      0.706   
06-07 Clemson    25   11      0.694   
05-06 Clemson    19   13      0.594   
04-05 Clemson    16   16      0.5   
03-04 Clemson    10   18      0.357   
02-03 Dayton    25   6      0.806   
01-02 Dayton    21   11      0.656   
00-01 Dayton    21   13      0.618   
99-00 Dayton    22   9      0.71   
98-99 Dayton    11   17      0.393   
97-98 Dayton    21   12      0.636   
96-97 Dayton    13   14      0.481   
95-96 Dayton    15   14      0.517   
94-95 Dayton    7   20      0.259   
93-94 Old Dominion    21   10   0.677   
92-93 Old Dominion    21   8   0.724   
91-92 Old Dominion    15   15   0.5   
90-91 Radford    22   7      0.759   
89-90 Radford    7   22      0.241   
88-89 Radford    15   13      0.536   

[Marquette84]

From your numbers it doesn't seem like he built anything. The 7-20 season and the 21-12 season just seem like outliers. He had a losing record in 3 of the 5 years he was there and one season where he was better than .500 by 1 game. More importantly in the 5th season, where he had all of his own players, they tanked. I wouldn't exactly say that he built anything. 

First, Purnell was at Dayton for nine years--not five.  He had winning records in six of those seasons, including four straight 20+ win seasons at the end of his tenure.

Second, for comparison, in the two years prior to Purnell's arrival, Jim O'Brien led the Flyers to 4-26 and 6-21 records.  They had as deep, if not deeper--hole to dig out of than DePaul does right now.

Third, after a stretch where Dayton made only one post season tournament of any kind over the eight seasons prior to his arrival ('87 to '94), Purnell had them in either the NIT or NCAA in five of his last six seasons.

If he can duplicate that performance at DePaul, they should be ecstatic about the hire.

[Steve Buscemi]

Not to dispute you point, as the trends seems to be that he can build teams...what happened in 98-99 in Dayton?  I don't recall...from the records he stumbled quite a bit there....

Look at the years following those... I was just saying it was a rough start, as it will be with Depaul

[Les Nessman]

Look at the years following those... I was just saying it was a rough start, as it will be with Depaul

Gotcha. Sorry, I thought you were saying that those 5 years were his body of work where he turned the program around. I take it all back.

[dpu70]

Purnell has rebuilt 3 teams in the past.  And, DePaul desperately need a rebuilder.  Paying twice the salary of the predecessor is what it took to get anyone to take this job.  It's not a very attractive position to walk into.

1-35 record over the past 2 years in conference says it all.  And, I think Purnell is having a tough time selling this to prospects.  He didn't get a stellar recruiting class to help in '11.  Solid, but, not stellar.

This shows how poorly the previous group of coaches stocked the shelves with less then Big East quality players.  And, they are still here.  Most fans were hoping for a house cleaning, but that's not DePaul's way.  Besides, you have to get a replacement that wasn't coming.

DePaul has opened its purse for Coaching, recruiting and other.  Time will tell if money is the answer to turning this program around.

Purnell has a 7 year contract, and he may need all of that.

Yes, we lost Koshwal and Will Walker.  That was over 60% of our scoring and the bulk of our rebounds.  No one came in to replace that.  So, we will be beaten in scoring and on the boards.  And, there certainly wasn't anyone on the bench to step up.

It's not a pretty sight.

[Marquette65]

After today, De Paul has company on the " God Awful" list