Wisconsin 17 - Manhattan 10 at the half

[pillardean]

Sorry, there are no Josh Gassers or Scott Christophersons on Duke. Sure, they have guys that can shoot lights out like Nolan Smith and Kyle Singler, but those guys ALSO can slash, play D, etc. There is NOBODY on Duke that MU wouldn't think is a "good idea to recruit".

Gasser can play.  Straight up.  I have not seen what you have seen to believe he would not have warranted a scholarship from Marquette. 

That being said, I do not think it was a failure on Buzz and staff that we do not have him.  He looks like a Badger, smells like a Badger and comes from the uber-wealthy, uber-Badger land of Port Washington. 

I would not have doubted if Buzz took a look at him and just said, "if he is good enough for us to offer, UW will offer and UW will get him."

I applaud Buzz and staff for understanding this and having the intelligence to not waste their time and MU's money.

[chren21]

I would not have doubted if Buzz took a look at him and just said, "if he is good enough for us to offer, UW will offer and UW will get him."

Are you serious?  I could see him not wasting his time if he did not feel Gasser was the type of person Buzz wants to recruit.  There has been no point where I believe Buzz thought he could not out recruit UW.

[Boone]

BC may easily be the worst team in the ACC. UW should have crushed them.

[pillardean]

There has been no point where I believe Buzz thought he could not out recruit UW.

You are then delusional.  He may not outright say that, but he would be having to outrecruit UW for a span of 18 years rather than two or three.  There comes a point when you are looking at kids from public high schools in the hinterlands that you just have to give to UW.  Christopher whent to Aquinas, a catholic school, so MU had a leg up there (or evening instrument).  By the way Port is more hinterlands than Milwaukee.   

 

[Lennys Tap]

Gasser can play.  Straight up.  I have not seen what you have seen to believe he would not have warranted a scholarship from Marquette. 

That being said, I do not think it was a failure on Buzz and staff that we do not have him.  He looks like a Badger, smells like a Badger and comes from the uber-wealthy, uber-Badger land of Port Washington. 

I would not have doubted if Buzz took a look at him and just said, "if he is good enough for us to offer, UW will offer and UW will get him."

I applaud Buzz and staff for understanding this and having the intelligence to not waste their time and MU's money.

You may be right about his game, pillar - I don't know as I've never seen him play. I do know that UW had little interest in him and didn't offer until Diamond Taylor went up the river and Vander Blue went down the highway.

[4everwarriors]

Pdean, when was the last time you set foot in Port Washington? There's no real bread there.

[chren21]

You are then delusional.  He may not outright say that, but he would be having to outrecruit UW for a span of 18 years rather than two or three.  There comes a point when you are looking at kids from public high schools in the hinterlands that you just have to give to UW.  Christopher whent to Aquinas, a catholic school, so MU had a leg up there (or evening instrument).  By the way Port is more hinterlands than Milwaukee.   

 

I dont know about delusional maybe I just have my MU blinders on then.  I dont see what UW offers that is more than MU does in terms of basketball in regards to publicity, conference, coaching, facilities, etc..  Am I missing something?  Is it the mere fact that they grew up in the hinterlands that worship UW football?

[Ready2Fly]

Are you guys serious? Buzz whipped Bo for Blue, and Gasser was Bo's third choice at best. This isn't even debatable. In this class, who should we have taken Gasser over? With 100% certainty Blue, Ox, Wilson, Crowder, and the Jamailman will have a significantly better college career. There is no doubt in my mind.

[chren21]

Are you guys serious? Buzz whipped Bo for Blue, and Gasser was Bo's third choice at best. This isn't even debatable. In this class, who should we have taken Gasser over? With 100% certainty Blue, Ox, Wilson, Crowder, and the Jamailman will have a significantly better college career. There is no doubt in my mind.

Thank you.. I was actually starting to think I may be crazy.  Good to know that I might not be.

[martyconlonontherun]

You are then delusional.  He may not outright say that, but he would be having to outrecruit UW for a span of 18 years rather than two or three.  There comes a point when you are looking at kids from public high schools in the hinterlands that you just have to give to UW.  Christopher whent to Aquinas, a catholic school, so MU had a leg up there (or evening instrument).  By the way Port is more hinterlands than Milwaukee.   

Exactly! I mean Marquette also had a leg up on Matthews, Blue and Maymon cause they are from Madison?

[chren21]

Exactly! I mean Marquette also had a leg up on Matthews, Blue and Maymon cause they are from Madison?

I think I know what you mean, but I don't know you so I am just speculating....

[nyg]

Talk about Manhattan scoring 10 points, Cal is playing Notre Dame and Cal scored 5 points in the first half.   Yes, 5.

Thought it was a misprint, went to boxscore and confirmed.  That is unreal.

[pillardean]

Pdean, when was the last time you set foot in Port Washington? There's no real bread there.

Comical, as always.  Yesterday visiting girlfriend's family. 

Are you guys serious? Buzz whipped Bo for Blue, and Gasser was Bo's third choice at best. This isn't even debatable. In this class, who should we have taken Gasser over? With 100% certainty Blue, Ox, Wilson, Crowder, and the Jamailman will have a significantly better college career. There is no doubt in my mind.

I think it was more than just Buzz "whipping" Bo for Blue.  Since he had already verballed (I assume this) Buzz was no longer recruiting him.  Once he re-opened his commitment is when Buzz went back to work with the rest history.  Something must have turned him off to UW-Madison to incite the re-opening of recruitment.  Do not forget that aspect.

I would not take Gasser over anybody in the class.  I never said I would.  An earlier thread asked why MU didn't offer Gasser. I mentioned why Buzz would not have. 

And yes, UW-Madison is the pinnacle of academia and opportunity for most in staters.  Right or not it is the perception.  Why waste our time with a kid like that when we could get Reggie.  That is all I was saying.  Take it for what it is.

Exactly! I mean Marquette also had a leg up on Matthews, Blue and Maymon cause they are from Madison?

You could be right about Wes.  I would also like to point out that, perhaps, an 18 year old boy would like to step outside what is known, step out from under his fathers legacy and forge his own.  If I am not mistaken his father played at UW.  Anybody remember what happened whenever Rautins took the floor for SU last year?  His father was the topic of discussion.  Matthews forged his own.  Good for him.

We don't get  Maymon nor Blue without Wes.  Opinion, I know, but I guarantee some will agree.

[GGGG]

Scott Christopherson was still officially at Melrose-Mindoro when he verballed to MU.  He transferred to Aquinas afterward.

http://www.couleenews.com/articles/2005/04/07/sports/00sports.txt

[GGGG]

I'm not going to say that Bo doesn't care about recruiting, but it is clearly more important to Buzz than it is to Bo.  Bo has enough confidence in his system to believe that he doesn't need to spend a lot of energy on the recruiting trail like Buzz does.  Honestly, we aren't going to be going head to head with Bo for many prospects outside of the high level ones in Wisconsin and possibly Chicago.

[pillardean]

Scott Christopherson was still officially at Melrose-Mindoro when he verballed to MU.  He transferred to Aquinas afterward.

http://www.couleenews.com/articles/2005/04/07/sports/00sports.txt

That's right.  I remember when he switched.  My brother was unimpressed when they played. 

I'm not going to say that Bo doesn't care about recruiting, but it is clearly more important to Buzz than it is to Bo.  Bo has enough confidence in his system to believe that he doesn't need to spend a lot of energy on the recruiting trail like Buzz does.  Honestly, we aren't going to be going head to head with Bo for many prospects outside of the high level ones in Wisconsin and possibly Chicago.

And the fact it is the state university helps.  You are right, they won't be fighting for many recruits outside of that area, but the ones that they do have to be worth an incredible amount, like Wes and Blue, because of the inordinate amount of time and effort MU and Buzz would have to put into it to pull the recruitment to pull away from Wisco or Illinois.  It's the difficulty of coaching at a smaller private school in the Midwest.

One that Buzz appears to enjoy and relish, which is refreshing and a reason I respect and love the man.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Several corrections.  Buzz did not wait for Blue to withdraw his verbal to start re-recruiting him.  A verbal to another school is not treated by MU like it used to be.  Gentleman's agreements don't exist

[MU B2002]

Isn't that actually just one correction, and then some speculation?

[MUfan12]

Isn't that actually just one correction, and then some speculation?

Unfounded speculation at that.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Isn't that actually just one correction, and then some speculation?

I don't know what else to call it.  It used to be when a kid verballed to a school, that was it for MU.  We didn't like it when people went after our verbals and we didn't go after theirs.  It was a gentelman's agreement, an honored verbal contract.  That's not the case anymore.  I suspect that ended during the Crean regime, but I don't know for sure.  I do know that we didn't stop recruiting Vander Blue despite his verbal, we didn't wait until he decommitted.