Oversigning of players

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://azstarnet.com/sports/basketball/college/wildcats/article_d72ba849-665d-5ad5-993e-f08dad654c8d.html


For those interested, an article on the practice

[Brewtown Andy]

There's an undersigning joke here somewhere...

[PJDunn]

Or an implied comparison between Buzz and Calipari.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Just win baby

[TheTasteofGarlic]

Whether one is Boned, Buzzed, or Porcini'd the savage sting of insertion is painful beyond belief.

[Lennys Tap]

Just win baby

Oversigning has become or is at least becoming the rule rather than not the exception at most competitive Big 6 conference schools. IIRC I read that Indiana plans to oversign as a matter of policy for at least the near term. My guess is that there are very few, if any, who won't do it under some circumstances.

[TheTasteofGarlic]

Indiana plans to oversign as a matter of policy

The sad sordid saga continues, then...

[goodgreatgrand]

Oversigning has become or is at least becoming the rule rather than not the exception at most competitive Big 6 conference schools. IIRC I read that Indiana plans to oversign as a matter of policy for at least the near term. My guess is that there are very few, if any, who won't do it under some circumstances.

I disagree. Look at the BE. There are two coaches (out of 16) that oversign: Calhoun and Pitino. Oversigning has nothing to do with the conference as it does with the individual coaches. If Pitino and Calhoun resigned today and went to mid-majors, they would do the same thing. Its the just the way they run the programs they operate. Why? Because they use more than 7 guys. PItino likes to use 9, sometimes 10 guys in a game. Calhoun oversigns because he'll take better, younger talent over lesser talent with experience in his system. Oddly, Pitt oversigned this summer but there may be more to that. We'll see.

Besides, I think over-signing is desperation more than anything else. There are circumstances in which my view wouldnt hold true, but for the most part it works.

[GOMU1104]

Pretty sure Dixon oversigned his 2010 class.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Oversigning has become or is at least becoming the rule rather than not the exception at most competitive Big 6 conference schools. IIRC I read that Indiana plans to oversign as a matter of policy for at least the near term. My guess is that there are very few, if any, who won't do it under some circumstances.

So you're comparing Buzz to TC then?  And Caliprari?     Just kidding, but I had to chuckle at PJDunn's comments as if that was the intent of the original post.  It clearly wasn't.  In fact, it was to show (to Lenny's point) that many more schools are doing it.

[Pakuni]

Pretty sure Dixon oversigned his 2010 class.

Duke currently has four commitments for three scholarships.

[Lennys Tap]

So you're comparing Buzz to TC then?  And Caliprari?     Just kidding, but I had to chuckle at PJDunn's comments as if that was the intent of the original post.  It clearly wasn't.  In fact, it was to show (to Lenny's point) that many more schools are doing it.

I agree - oversigning was once a practice seen mainly at schools who pushed the envelope. It's becoming more mainstream.

[bma725]

Duke currently has four commitments for three scholarships.

No they don't.  Duke has 4 commitments for 5 scholarships.  They only have 10 scholarship players this year, and lose two to graduation giving them 5 for next year.

[mu-rara]

I agree - oversigning was once a practice seen mainly at schools who pushed the envelope. It's becoming more mainstream.

No kidding.  Article in today's JS talks about Badgers recruiting over a Catholic Memorial girls VB player.  She landed at Creighton.  Lookout Lindsey Gosh.  (Marquette recruit for girls VB)

[BrewCity83]

No kidding.  Article in today's JS talks about Badgers recruiting over a Catholic Memorial girls VB player.  She landed at Creighton.  Lookout Lindsey Gosh.  (Marquette recruit for girls VB)

Yeah, the girl verballed during her junior year and then GOT AN EMAIL FROM A UW-MADISON COACH at the end of her junior year telling her that she should look for another school to play at since she hadn't progressed enough.  Not even a phone call.  Cold, that is.

[HoopsMalone]

Oversigning might be the new norm as stated above.  If a player is not asked to come back, does he have to sit out for a year?  I think the NCAA should at least make it easy to move around.

[MarkCharles]

Oversigning might be the new norm as stated above.  If a player is not asked to come back, does he have to sit out for a year?  I think the NCAA should at least make it easy to move around.

But then schools would have to admit that they recruited over a guy's head, and couldn't make the bs excuses that they usually come up with to explain why the worst players in a program always tend to be the ones to leave. The NCAA would never directly condone something like this.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I suspect as this becomes more and more prevalent, the NCAA is going to crack down on it in some fashion.  The potential for abuse is pretty big with a lot of stories that make the universities look like cold hearted bastards (at least that's how much of the media will spin it)

[TheTasteofGarlic]

Yeah, the girl verballed during her junior year and then GOT AN EMAIL FROM A UW-MADISON COACH at the end of her junior year telling her that she should look for another school to play at since she hadn't progressed enough.  Not even a phone call.  Cold, that is.

Is that similar to hearing on ESPN that your coach has betrayed you?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Is that similar to hearing on ESPN that your coach has betrayed you?

Really?

[TheTasteofGarlic]

Really?

It had to have been one of the most painful butt jams ever delivered. Thank god we had leaders like Dom James and Wes Matthews to help keep things together. I shudder to think what the gathering at Crean Manor must have been like.

[PJDunn]

Just win baby

Yup...I just hope Buzz wins like the retro Al, not the current Al.

[Pakuni]

No they don't.  Duke has 4 commitments for 5 scholarships.  They only have 10 scholarship players this year, and lose two to graduation giving them 5 for next year.

OK. My bad.

[ChicosBailBonds]

It had to have been one of the most painful butt jams ever delivered. Thank god we had leaders like Dom James and Wes Matthews to help keep things together. I shudder to think what the gathering at Crean Manor must have been like.

There have been many butt jams delivered when coaches leave other programs.  Some do it right, some don't (TC, O'Neill, etc). 

[TheTasteofGarlic]

There have been many butt jams delivered when coaches leave other programs.  Some do it right, some don't (TC, O'Neill, etc). 

I would liken it to a wife leaving a guy for another man. I really only care if it were to be my wife.