Trey McDonald

[MarkCharles]

Isn't this kid a 3 star and we're beneath recruiting 3 star big men?

Stepping into the time machine, I can just imagine what the response would be if we were after this kid and he had offers from Oakland, Central Michigan, DePaul, Dayton, Western Michigan and Iowa (all of which have offered this young man).  The howling that would be going on...... 

Absolutely right Chicos. Does us getting mentioned by Quincy Miller mean we're above guys like McDonald? In all honesty, McDonald is exactly what this team needs long-term. We haven't had a high school big man this highly thought of in a long time. Way too long. And this is the kind of guy that is the next line in the progression of us getting better and better ranked big guys.

I would absolutely love McDonald to come to MU. If we sign a better big man and Trey doesn't play much his freshman year, then great. But a lot of people think this guy is going to be a very good college post presence some day, and MU is in no position to pass that up.

By the way, when all the lesser schools you mentioned offered him last year, MU was there. We were by far the highest profile school to offer him early. Just goes to show you that Buzz has a great eye for talent.

[TheRock]

By the way, when all the lesser schools you mentioned offered him last year, MU was there. We were by far the highest profile school to offer him early. Just goes to show you that Buzz has a great eye for talent.

But he's not that good, as evidenced by the fact that other top programs didn't offer him when we did.  You're saying that shows that Buzz has a great eye for talent, does that mean every top program that didn't offer him doesn't?

[MarkCharles]

But he's not that good, as evidenced by the fact that other top programs didn't offer him when we did.  You're saying that shows that Buzz has a great eye for talent, does that mean every top program that didn't offer him doesn't?

What?? Those are some absurd questions that show a real lack of understanding. Do you have any idea how recruiting works? Some schools get in on a guy early, some get in late. You can almost always tell the level of player based on the schools that recruit him latest. Thats just common sense.

But he's not that good, as evidenced by the fact that other top programs didn't offer him when we did.

Do you really think it shows that hes not good by the fact that his offers got significantly better his senior year? Have you ever heard of a little thing called improvement?

Look at Anthony Davis, one of the top 3 players in America. He had almost no interest from top programs 12 months ago. But he improved significantly, and he recently had every program in the country beating down his door until he chose Kentucky. Because he got better, as did McDonald (to a lesser degree though). So by your incredibly faulty logic, a top 3 nationally player is not good, by evidence of his offers as a soph/junior not being as good his offers as a senior. I'd love for you to try to explain that.

You're saying that shows that Buzz has a great eye for talent, does that mean every top program that didn't offer him doesn't?

Yes, it absolutely does show an eye for talent for Buzz to get in on a guy when other major programs aren't recruiting him, then have that player's stock go way up. It shows that Buzz saw something in this guy before many others did, and that is pretty much the definition of having an eye for talent. For you to think I'm implying that because Buzz got in early on a guy means the rest of the nation's major programs can't spot talent is ridiculous. Most likely, they weren't aware of McDonald, didn't believe he would improve in the way he has, or were recruiting other players. It doesn't mean at all that they can't spot talent. That Buzz has done this here with Trey McDonald and many others is absolutely evidence of having a good eye for talent.

[TheRock]

Do you really think it shows that hes not good by the fact that his offers got significantly better his senior year? Have you ever heard of a little thing called improvement?

Look at Anthony Davis, one of the top 3 players in America. He had almost no interest from top programs 12 months ago. But he improved significantly, and he recently had every program in the country beating down his door until he chose Kentucky. Because he got better, as did McDonald (to a lesser degree though). So by your incredibly faulty logic, a top 3 nationally player is not good, by evidence of his offers as a soph/junior not being as good his offers as a senior. I'd love for you to try to explain that.

It takes a big man to admit when he's wrong.  Very good arguments made here.

I still don't think McDonald is good.  Film don't lie.

[Pakuni]

What?? Those are some absurd questions that show a real lack of understanding. Do you have any idea how recruiting works? Some schools get in on a guy early, some get in late. You can almost always tell the level of player based on the schools that recruit him latest. Thats just common sense.

Do you really think it shows that hes not good by the fact that his offers got significantly better his senior year? Have you ever heard of a little thing called improvement?

Look at Anthony Davis, one of the top 3 players in America. He had almost no interest from top programs 12 months ago. But he improved significantly, and he recently had every program in the country beating down his door until he chose Kentucky. Because he got better, as did McDonald (to a lesser degree though). So by your incredibly faulty logic, a top 3 nationally player is not good, by evidence of his offers as a soph/junior not being as good his offers as a senior. I'd love for you to try to explain that.

Though I agree with your point in general, Davis probably isn't the best example of a guy whose offers got better because he got better.
Davis' offers got better because in a span of about a year he went from a so-so 6-foot-2 shooting guard prospect to a 6-foot-10 power forward with guard skills. If Davis were still 6-foot-2, he'd still have no interest from top programs.

[MarkCharles]

Though I agree with your point in general, Davis probably isn't the best example of a guy whose offers got better because he got better.
Davis' offers got better because in a span of about a year he went from a so-so 6-foot-2 shooting guard prospect to a 6-foot-10 power forward with guard skills. If Davis were still 6-foot-2, he'd still have no interest from top programs.

Good point. I was thinking about this as I was posting. I wasn't referring to the manner in which he got better though, as clearly Davis hit a freakish growth spurt. I was just using him as an example of how a guy's early offers are often in no way indicative of the player he eventually becomes.