Opinions and sarcasm aside, why would football at Marquette cost $125 million?

[MU Avenue]

Sticking only to numbers, please detail why it would cost $125 million for Marquette to make a return to NCAA football?

My question here does not seek opinions, only numbers. How does it cost $125 million for Marquette to bring back football?

The numbers, please. ...

[GGGG]

You started another thread for this?  Seriously?  Two wasn't enough?

Since I don't work for the AD, I can't provide numbers.  Email him and report back the results.

[MU Avenue]

You started another thread for this?  Seriously?  Two wasn't enough?

Since I don't work for the AD, I can't provide numbers.  Email him and report back the results.

Thanks for nothing, The Sultan of South Wayne.

I am only seeking numbers here, not opinions or empty efforts at sarcasm or mockery.

Why on Earth would it cost Marquette a supposed $125 million to bring back NCAA football?

Valid numbers only, please. I have real trouble believing it would cost Marquette so much to renew collegiate football.

Those with opinions and cute, tired lines -- but no numbers -- need not reply.

[GGGG]

You don't get it.  No one is going to have "the numbers."  Just estimates and projections.  And they are all within the other threads. 

If that isn't good enough...email Cottingham.

[MU Avenue]

You don't get it.  No one is going to have "the numbers."  Just estimates and projections.  And they are all within the other threads. 

If that isn't good enough...email Cottingham.

Thanks for nothing, The Sultan of South Wayne. ...

[augoman]

actually, Sultan gave you the only answer you should have expected on this board.

[MUBurrow]

yikes man, what do you want?

How much does it cost to build a stadium?
To buy the property for a stadium or do you build it on property you own?
If you buy, do you do it away from mke for cheaper property values at the cost of keeping it on campus for students?
What women's sports do you add?
How much do each of those cost?

How would any of these be hard figures?

[madtownwarrior]

come on, MU Avenue WANTS the numbers, somebody give him the numbers, please...

sarcasm aside, can the football discussion just go away, it's not going to happen...

[TJ]

Here's some numbers...

Football stadium... $75 million at least
Practice/weight room facilities for 55 new athletes... $___ million
Equipment for football players... $___
Coaches... $2+ million per year
Scholarships... 55 * what is it now, $25,000? = $1.375 million per year * Title IX = $2.75 million per year
Start up 55 scholarships worth of women's sports... $___ million
Facilities and equipment for them... $___ million
Many other expenses that none of us have any clue about... $___ million

There's no way that we could do D1 football without a new stadium and there's no way we could build that for less than $75 million, and really that should be enough to verify it.  If that's truly not good enough for you; if you truly need numbers filled in for the blanks to make sure it's $125M + and not just $115M or $105M, then I'm sorry, you're not going to find the verification you need.

[79Warrior]

Sticking only to numbers, please detail why it would cost $125 million for Marquette to make a return to NCAA football?

My question here does not seek opinions, only numbers. How does it cost $125 million for Marquette to bring back football?

The numbers, please. ...

The numbers???? Why don't you tell us what it will cost because you brought it up!

[79Warrior]

Here's some numbers...

Football stadium... $75 million at least
Practice/weight room facilities for 55 new athletes... $___ million
Equipment for football players... $___
Coaches... $2+ million per year
Scholarships... 55 * what is it now, $25,000? = $1.375 million per year * Title IX = $2.75 million per year
Start up 55 scholarships worth of women's sports... $___ million
Facilities and equipment for them... $___ million
Many other expenses that none of us have any clue about... $___ million

Respectfully TJ, Coaches for 2 plus million? How about your head coach is 2 million plus if you want one who can do something. Then add the other 7 or 8 asst coaches and coordinators to the pool and the coaching estimate is way off.

[SacWarrior]

The worst Division 1 stadium I have ever been in, the concrete bowl at Fresno State, cost around 7 million dollars to build.

Inflation costs alone bring that number to around 18 million. And Fresno State even had a 10 million dollar renovation in 1991. Throw in renovation costs for that and the total comes to around 35 million. And that stadium is bare essentials, there's no concourse, there's grass seating, very limited press boxes, bad sightlines, horrible audio system and the entire experience is akin to a big high school football game.

Marquette, were it to join Division 1, would safely have to spend around 40 million dollars JUST for the stadium. Just a stadium would not be enough to lure big time coaches or recruits. Not to mention we would need to expand the athletic facility, and potentially have to tear down some buildings near Valley Fields to build an entire new athletic center JUST to house the training facility.

Altogether, it MIGHT cost a little less than 100 million, which is what we paid for the new engineering center.

And even then, we're what? Marquette football? How is that a big enough game to attract college football fans? You think all those fans at Camp Randall are Wisconsin grads? Or any school for that matter? Our biggest fanbase would have to be Midwestern Catholics, especially in the Milwaukee/Chicagoland area, but the vast majority of Midwestern Catholic College Football fans that didn't attend another big time school are die-hard Notre Dame fans. How are we going to possibly get them to go to games? Even if we were to take on this project, the stadium would be damn near empty for at least 5 years, and there's no way we could possibly go straight to Division 1, we would have to start small and play Concordia College and teams like that. How are we going to make up for the investment if we're playing schools no one has ever heard of?

[tower912]

I posted in one of the other threads about a new 30k seat stadium (MAC school size.   I am sure that is what we aspire to) that will cost $50 million, and they own the real estate.   So start there.   Add in the cost of another, larger,  AL, as the football program will need there own offices and workout facilities.  And a practice field.    So, bricks and mortar are $75 million before you find the land to put them on.   For MAC level facilities.    55 schollies at $40k,  $2.2 million, plus matching for title IX.   88 Schollies = $3.6 mil per year, plus matching.    Good coaching, assistants, and support staff......say $3 mil on the cheap, $5 mil for pretty good.   I think Cottingham's estimate is pretty good, and probably on the low side.

[LON]

It might as well be 100 gazillion dollars.  It's not happening.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Sticking only to numbers, please detail why it would cost $125 million for Marquette to make a return to NCAA football?

My question here does not seek opinions, only numbers. How does it cost $125 million for Marquette to bring back football?

The numbers, please. ...

First, any numbers provided are technically an estimate, which is really an just opinion about what something will cost... so let's not act like we are dealing in facts.

Second, a better way to facilitate this topic is to present your own itemized list and ask for people to help you with your estimate. There are some smart people around here who could help, and I'm willing to bet that we could come up with a pretty decent estimate based upon the business experience of people on this board (let's face it, the athletic department is really a business (infrastructure, staffing, assets, marketing, etc.).

With this said, MUAVE, what do your numbers look like?

[TJ]

Respectfully TJ, Coaches for 2 plus million? How about your head coach is 2 million plus if you want one who can do something. Then add the other 7 or 8 asst coaches and coordinators to the pool and the coaching estimate is way off.

I almost put 3+, but I was trying not to seem extravagant.    Either way, compared to the cost of a stadium, it's relatively insignificant if coaches cost $2M or $4M.

[MUCam]

I have the whole operation, including start-up costs and five years of maintenance costs, at $13.74.

I have already pledged $3.14.

[jaybilaswho?]

isnt there a milwaukee gridiron or iron or something or other amateur or low level professional football league? couldnt we go "halfsies"?

[bma725]

isnt there a milwaukee gridiron or iron or something or other amateur or low level professional football league? couldnt we go "halfsies"?

The Iron plays Arena football, not outdoor football.

[damuts222]

Mods can we get a dead horse thread area, where we just put topics that have been beaten to a pulp. At least 100 million dollars, plus I like having all cards in on basketball. I don't much care for college football to begin with.

[4everwarriors]

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[Brewtown Andy]

I have the whole operation, including start-up costs and five years of maintenance costs, at $13.74.

I have already pledged $3.14.

mmmm, pie.

[mu-rara]

Maybe if I attach politics, the thread will be killed.

Apply for $100,000,000 in stimulus funds.  Is is not fair that UW at Madison has D1 football and Marquette does not.  They already get a ton of taxpayer subsidy...Come On Man.....Let's be fair about this.

[Avenue Commons]

Ten years ago I personally asked Bill Cords about football and he laughed. Last year I personally asked Cottingham about football and he smirked and said it is NOT going to happen. So this isnt hearsay. It will not happen.

It is simply too expensive and that's before you get to adding the scholarships for womens sports.

Email Cottingham and he'd tell you the same thing. It will never happen. Marquette wants to focus on being competitive in the Big East. Not starting from scratch. So there are philosophical reasons as well that it won't happen.

[mviale]

Here's some numbers...

Football stadium... $75 million at least
Practice/weight room facilities for 55 new athletes... $___ million
Equipment for football players... $___
Coaches... $2+ million per year
Scholarships... 55 * what is it now, $25,000? = $1.375 million per year * Title IX = $2.75 million per year
Start up 55 scholarships worth of women's sports... $___ million
Facilities and equipment for them... $___ million
Many other expenses that none of us have any clue about... $___ million

There's no way that we could do D1 football without a new stadium and there's no way we could build that for less than $75 million, and really that should be enough to verify it.  If that's truly not good enough for you; if you truly need numbers filled in for the blanks to make sure it's $125M + and not just $115M or $105M, then I'm sorry, you're not going to find the verification you need.

Maybe we could finance the thing instead of paying off in year 1