Quincy Miller has Marquette on his list

[kmwtrucks]

When the # 2 player in the country adds us to his list in Sept, I think that means we are doing something right.  10 years ago we might have been happy if a top 100 added us to his list in Sept.

[OhioGoldenEagle]

Has the summer gone so poorly that some MU fans are happy just to have a meeting with a recruit rather then have a realistic chance of landing a commitment?

Egads.

I think the point is that in order to land such a high prospect, you first need to be on their final list and set up official visits with them.  While this still leaves only a 25% chance of gaining a committment (based on a final list of 4 schools), the simple fact that we have a 25% chance of this is something that this program isn't accustomed to.  So to answer your question, yes I am happy about these meetings.  Increasing the amount of high prospect meetings/visits increases MU's chances of actually landing one.  So the more meetings they get, the better IMO.

[GGGG]

Has the summer gone so poorly that some MU fans are happy just to have a meeting with a recruit rather then have a realistic chance of landing a commitment?

Things have goone poorly???

[MarkCharles]

Things have goone poorly???

Yea, what has been so bad about this summer? I'd wait until we miss out on these targets before declaring this summer poor or a failure.

Also, I think some of the reason people are excited about this news is that nobody really knew how serious Miller was about us. This meeting shows that he is still giving us at least some consideration. I don't know about you, but that makes me happy and excited.

[NersEllenson]

Has the summer gone so poorly that some MU fans are happy just to have a meeting with a recruit rather then have a realistic chance of landing a commitment?

Egads.

We've had our dispute in the past about the Newbill situation and I owed you one on that, but it increasingly seems you take a pessimistic approach to our program of late.  What gives?  Are you disappointed with the current roster, and talent on the current MU roster?  What are your expectations for these 3 scholarship openings?  Did you think it would be easy to land 3 Top 100 kids for this class, considering all of the Top 100 talent on the roster already/JUCO 1st team All-Americans?

Put me in the camp that is happy to see us get a metting with Quincy Miller.  That tells me we are still somewhat in the running..and for that I'm happy.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Has the summer gone so poorly that some MU fans are happy just to have a meeting with a recruit rather then have a realistic chance of landing a commitment?

Egads.

What on earth are you smoking?  This isn't just a recruit...this is the type of recruit that other top recruits in future classes are looking at and paying attention to.  if you think it's not important to the program to stay on his list as long as possible and have real substantial contact with him that's widely reported, then I don't know what to tell you. 

When was the last time Marquette was involved this late in the game with a consensus top-5 kid?  Ever? 

This will reap future dividends, even if we don't land him.  It makes Marquette a real option that's maybe worth looking into for future elite players. 

[RJax55]

This isn't just a recruit...this is the type of recruit that other top recruits in future classes are looking at and paying attention to.  if you think it's not important to the program to stay on his list as long as possible and have real substantial contact with him that's widely reported

Great point.

Hopefully, Buzz can get him to come for an official visit. Remember, top players want to play with other top guys... I have to think that playing with Blue on the USA team opened Miller's eyes to the MU program.

[HoopsMalone]

Buzz has gotten 5-star players interested every year he has been here.

We had Michael Snaer come to campus before Buzz's first season if I remember correctly.  http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Michael-Snaer-67905

We had Vander last year come to Midnight Madness, and Buzz landed him.

Now, hopefully Buzz can get Miller to campus for a look.

Buzz is doing all right with five star players, but let's keep the trend going. 

[cheebs09]

We were also in on Dawson and Blackshear.

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Just watched a youtube video of this kid... ridiculous. You put a starting five of him, crowder, djo, blue and cadougan and I'm pretty positive we have the Big East crown locked up

[Ellenson Guerrero]

And by the way, he tweeted today that the doctor said he still has another 2 or 3 inches to grow. A 7' flying around like that is unbelievable

[Daniel]

Where did MU meet with Quincy today? In-home??

[ATL MU Warrior]

Buzz has gotten 5-star players interested every year he has been here.

We had Michael Snaer come to campus before Buzz's first season if I remember correctly.  http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Michael-Snaer-67905

We had Vander last year come to Midnight Madness, and Buzz landed him.

Now, hopefully Buzz can get Miller to campus for a look.

Buzz is doing all right with five star players, but let's keep the trend going. 

don't disagree at all...but I'm willing to bet there's a big difference between a 5-star like Michael Snaer and a consensus top-5 player like Quincy Miller in terms of the type of buzz they generate amongst their peers and how closely their every moves are followed. 

[Golden Avalanche]

We've had our dispute in the past about the Newbill situation and I owed you one on that, but it increasingly seems you take a pessimistic approach to our program of late.  What gives?  Are you disappointed with the current roster, and talent on the current MU roster?  What are your expectations for these 3 scholarship openings?  Did you think it would be easy to land 3 Top 100 kids for this class, considering all of the Top 100 talent on the roster already/JUCO 1st team All-Americans?

Put me in the camp that is happy to see us get a metting with Quincy Miller.  That tells me we are still somewhat in the running..and for that I'm happy.

Ners, we all know your level of loyalty. We've been down this road before. I've written my feelings on Buzz to you in private and that hasn't changed.

That said, I'm not the only MU fan who feels the summer hasn't gone well. We've made a couple PR blunders. And, more importantly to this thread, our recruiting has been stressing. Zeroed in on a tight group of prospects and we've seen them land elsewhere even if we offered a strong package. We're on our next wave but the tea leaves suggest more of the same. Add that to the majority of our competitors doing very well and you can understand why the bum is getting a little squeaky.

We've been down this "meeting" road before. The last guy had visits, in-homes, sit downs with some top prospects through the years but our chances of a commit were remote at best. We found out that Crean couldn't go back-to-back. We're learning to see if Buzz can achieve that. Until I see some concrete goodness, a meeting like this won't get me excited. Hey, we all have different levels of interest. That was my main point.

[GGGG]

Ners, we all know your level of loyalty. We've been down this road before. I've written my feelings on Buzz to you in private and that hasn't changed.

That said, I'm not the only MU fan who feels the summer hasn't gone well. We've made a couple PR blunders. And, more importantly to this thread, our recruiting has been stressing. Zeroed in on a tight group of prospects and we've seen them land elsewhere even if we offered a strong package. We're on our next wave but the tea leaves suggest more of the same. Add that to the majority of our competitors doing very well and you can understand why the bum is getting a little squeaky.

I think the final story on this year has yet to be written.  This could still turn out to be a very, very nice fall.

[Aughnanure]

Ners, we all know your level of loyalty. We've been down this road before. I've written my feelings on Buzz to you in private and that hasn't changed.

That said, I'm not the only MU fan who feels the summer hasn't gone well. We've made a couple PR blunders. And, more importantly to this thread, our recruiting has been stressing. Zeroed in on a tight group of prospects and we've seen them land elsewhere even if we offered a strong package. We're on our next wave but the tea leaves suggest more of the same. Add that to the majority of our competitors doing very well and you can understand why the bum is getting a little squeaky.

We've been down this "meeting" road before. The last guy had visits, in-homes, sit downs with some top prospects through the years but our chances of a commit were remote at best. We found out that Crean couldn't go back-to-back. We're learning to see if Buzz can achieve that. Until I see some concrete goodness, a meeting like this won't get me excited. Hey, we all have different levels of interest. That was my main point.

If you really think the recruiting under Buzz has been equal to Crean...well you're wrong. I understand the "oh, we're on another top 3 list" thing....but guess what?  We were never on this many, and have been on much more in the past 3 years than Crean was in any 5 year period.

Seriously, everyone is really freaking out cause St. John's and Rutgers finally got a few kids? They're kinda due. Let's actually see if Steve Lavin can still coach (if you think he ever could).

Oh and I would say the past 2 classes are the best example of going back to back than anything Crean ever did. God you people are picky.

[MarkCharles]

Ners, we all know your level of loyalty. We've been down this road before. I've written my feelings on Buzz to you in private and that hasn't changed.

That said, I'm not the only MU fan who feels the summer hasn't gone well. We've made a couple PR blunders. And, more importantly to this thread, our recruiting has been stressing. Zeroed in on a tight group of prospects and we've seen them land elsewhere even if we offered a strong package. We're on our next wave but the tea leaves suggest more of the same. Add that to the majority of our competitors doing very well and you can understand why the bum is getting a little squeaky.

We've been down this "meeting" road before. The last guy had visits, in-homes, sit downs with some top prospects through the years but our chances of a commit were remote at best. We found out that Crean couldn't go back-to-back. We're learning to see if Buzz can achieve that. Until I see some concrete goodness, a meeting like this won't get me excited. Hey, we all have different levels of interest. That was my main point.

Doesn't seem like we've lost out on that many of our top prospects, other than Branden Dawson and maybe BJ Young (although it doesn't seem like we were ever very close with him). The rest of our top priority recruits (the top 8 or so) are still out there, and plenty of new guys like Juan Anderson and Quincy Miller have been added towards the end of the summer. Its easy to say the tea leaves say a guy will sign elsewhere, because every recruitment is a longshot due to the number of schools involved. But recruiting is often a volume game, and we have a higher volume of top level recruits looking at us than we've had in a long time.

It only takes 1 signing to turn this from a "stressed" summer to a great fall.

[Jay Bee]

By the way...

@bigjaybee #mubb RT @DMcDonaldHoops 2011 Jarion Henry has visits set up to Oregon starting October 1st and Marquette starting October 15th.

[RJax55]

And, more importantly to this thread, our recruiting has been stressing. Zeroed in on a tight group of prospects and we've seen them land elsewhere even if we offered a strong package. We're on our next wave but the tea leaves suggest more of the same. Add that to the majority of our competitors doing very well and you can understand why the bum is getting a little squeaky.

Ah, seems to me that our top targets have yet to decide... Faust, Harrison, Shaw, Hood and Anderson are still all uncommitted. These are the players that MU has been mentioned with for the majority of the summer.

[NersEllenson]

Ners, we all know your level of loyalty. We've been down this road before. I've written my feelings on Buzz to you in private and that hasn't changed.

That said, I'm not the only MU fan who feels the summer hasn't gone well. We've made a couple PR blunders. And, more importantly to this thread, our recruiting has been stressing. Zeroed in on a tight group of prospects and we've seen them land elsewhere even if we offered a strong package. We're on our next wave but the tea leaves suggest more of the same. Add that to the majority of our competitors doing very well and you can understand why the bum is getting a little squeaky.

We've been down this "meeting" road before. The last guy had visits, in-homes, sit downs with some top prospects through the years but our chances of a commit were remote at best. We found out that Crean couldn't go back-to-back. We're learning to see if Buzz can achieve that. Until I see some concrete goodness, a meeting like this won't get me excited. Hey, we all have different levels of interest. That was my main point.

Golden - I respect your opinions, but it just seems you have been pretty down on our recruiting this summer.  Perhaps you are more of a realist, and I'm an optimist - but as has been written, we are still in the running for most of the players we've trageted.  I do disagree with you that Buzz has yet to put together back to back good recruiting classes.  Heck, he's actually put together 3 good ones..getting Jimmy Butler, then the DJO/Buycks/Cadougan/Williams class, then Blue, Jones, Reggie, Jamil Wilson, and Devante Gardner.  I've written many places on here that IF (and a big IF) Buzz can land 2 or 3 Top 100 kids in this class....we have almost ALL the proof we need that we are now a BIG TIME, elite-level program, where players are coming to play, as they perceive MU as being a great place to best develop their skills and compete for National Championships. 

[john_cocktoasten]

Was Quincy Miller on campus yesterday?

[Canadian Dimes]

I need to agree with the rest of the board in absolutely categorically disagreeing with Golden Avalanche.   As far as lacking the ability to put back to back classes together you are simply absurd!!!!!  Buzzes first two classes are arguably as strong as Creans only two good classes in 9 years.  crean signed 2 good classes in 9 years the class of Wade, odb, merrit, etc. and the 3 amigoes class.  his other classes apart form 3 or 4 good players were not very good at all.  Buzz has signed two top 20 classes in a row. 

Mu has lost one big time target where they had invested a ton of time and that was Dawson.  the kid went to Michigan state.  Losing a mcdonalds all american to MSU is no embarrassment.  the fact that he was on our campus multiple times and that he listed us so highly agianst an MSU is awesome.  Apart from Dawson buzz has been really hard in on 6 or 7 kids...they all list us as a finalist.  You are either entirely ignorant or simply trying to push peoples button.  If buzz signs 2 or more of his top targets he will have now 3 classes equal to or greater than any class Crean signed in 9 years. 

[texaswarrior74]

Miller is visiting Oklahoma on the 8th and then attending Duke's CTC (Countdown to Craziness) on the 15th....and there's a new development with Duke's recruiting plans that is going to raise the stakes....

I would REALLY love for Buzz to get this guy but Duke will put on a BIG time push for him now that Austin Rivers had a three hour in home that included dinner with Roy Williams on Tuesday and has scheduled an OV to UNC as well.....Doc really likes Roy and UNC and he's the one who has been working to get Austin to see that Roy will help develop his game far more than K will......insiders are now saying it could potentially be Harrison Barnes redux for K and the dookies are really starting to sweat. Look for K to pressure Miller for a commit at CTC.

[Golden Avalanche]

Golden - I respect your opinions, but it just seems you have been pretty down on our recruiting this summer.  Perhaps you are more of a realist, and I'm an optimist - but as has been written, we are still in the running for most of the players we've trageted.  I do disagree with you that Buzz has yet to put together back to back good recruiting classes.  Heck, he's actually put together 3 good ones..getting Jimmy Butler, then the DJO/Buycks/Cadougan/Williams class, then Blue, Jones, Reggie, Jamil Wilson, and Devante Gardner.  I've written many places on here that IF (and a big IF) Buzz can land 2 or 3 Top 100 kids in this class....we have almost ALL the proof we need that we are now a BIG TIME, elite-level program, where players are coming to play, as they perceive MU as being a great place to best develop their skills and compete for National Championships. 

I think I'm just more of a realist. I'm certainly happy our recruiting net is larger. I'm also happy with the prospects we've been entertaining. That said, it hasn't resulted in anything yet and we may move into the meat of October without a commitment if word is to be believed from the back door. That's why I called recruiting stressing this summer.

I didn't write Buzz can't put back-to-back classes together. I wrote we're learning if he can. Jimmy Butler has been a great support guy these last two years. Other then him, his class has been a bit disappointing thanks to injury (that's the breaks). Last year's class suffered the same bug with Cadougan down, Buycks neutralized at end of year and EWill not doing much. This year's class has never played a game.

I don't disagree that the talent and potential sits inside the Al. But there are a lot of fans who are considering prospects who've never played as part of a great recruiting class. Or, players who've played wide spot duty as being part of great recruiting classes. We will learn this year how good the '09 class is in terms of production and not just how good they could be with potential. That's when we can say Buzz put together back-to-back classes (because I feel Blue and Jones will shine from the start).

It may all turn in a short time. Certainly a couple decisions are coming by the end of next week so let's see where we are then as it relates to recruiting.

[wadesworld]

I think I'm just more of a realist. I'm certainly happy our recruiting net is larger. I'm also happy with the prospects we've been entertaining. That said, it hasn't resulted in anything yet and we may move into the meat of October without a commitment if word is to be believed from the back door. That's why I called recruiting stressing this summer.

I didn't write Buzz can't put back-to-back classes together. I wrote we're learning if he can. Jimmy Butler has been a great support guy these last two years. Other then him, his class has been a bit disappointing thanks to injury (that's the breaks). Last year's class suffered the same bug with Cadougan down, Buycks neutralized at end of year and EWill not doing much. This year's class has never played a game.

I don't disagree that the talent and potential sits inside the Al. But there are a lot of fans who are considering prospects who've never played as part of a great recruiting class. Or, players who've played wide spot duty as being part of great recruiting classes. We will learn this year how good the '09 class is in terms of production and not just how good they could be with potential. That's when we can say Buzz put together back-to-back classes (because I feel Blue and Jones will shine from the start).

It may all turn in a short time. Certainly a couple decisions are coming by the end of next week so let's see where we are then as it relates to recruiting.

This makes absolutely no sense.  So our recruiting is stressing and we might not get a top class this year, yet we shouldn't call the last 2 years good classes because they haven't proven anything yet.  Which one is it?  Either you're going to look at what Buzz brought in based on recruiting rankings and potential and say that he brought in 2 top classes in the last 2 years, or you're going to wait 3 years to determine how the 2011 class is, regardless of when they sign and what they're ranked.  Relax, we haven't made it to Marquette Madness yet and we only have 3 spots to hand out.  In years past we've had 4 or 5.