D'Angelo Harrison

[martyconlonontherun]

Couldn't their rank separate them?

[MarkCharles]

Yea of course, and in any rankings there will be some overlap. But the #26 being rated the same #91 is excessive. And this system gives you very little info when you get outside the top 100 players.

[Dave Krupinski]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if he ended up in NY. Lavin is bound to land a top recruit sooner or later. While coming to MU might mean more victories, if its playing in the Big East that would be attractive to him, St Johns makes more sense. He could come in and start from day 1, in the biggest city in America, at MSG, or fight with a ton of good players for minutes at MU.

From what I hear after Moe Harkless committed yesterday that Harrison is a heavy STJ lean. I'm trying to get some comments from him for my site but have been unable to make contact yet. I'll keep you guys posted. Harrison is also more of a 2 guard than anything.

[Marquette84]

May be a copout but is more accurate. Too many people think a player at 40 is leaps and bounds better than the guy ranked 80. They rank them, but say they are pretty close to be the same.

I think there's a bigger difference than you think. I looked at RSCI rankings and compared the #40 and the #80 players for the last several years. 

2009:  Jamil Wilson versus DeShawn Painter (NC State)--Wilson got more minutes, and even started 14 games.  Painter averaged 6.5 minutes and 1.6 ppg.  Fair to say that Wilson got off to a better start.

2008:  Anthony Jones at Baylor (PF) and Courtney Fortson (PG) of Arkansas were both part of the rotation for their respective teams.  The difference in their roles makes for a direct comparison difficult, but I'd give the edge to Fortson based on production so far.

2007:  DeJuan Blair of Pitt versus Jason Henry of Arkansas.  No contest.

2006:  DaVon Jefferson of USC declared for the NBA after one year, averaging 27 mpg and 12.1 ppg.  While its universally believed that he made a mistake, he was head and shoulders ahead of Adrian Oliver, who put up 3-5 points per game in two seasons at Washington before transferring to San Jose State, where he put up decent numbers. 

2005:  Chris Douglas-Robers versus Casaan Breeden.  No contest.

2004:  Tie at 40 between Dorrell Wright (19th pick in the NBA draft), Isiah Swann (who's best season averaged 12 ppg at FSU) and Brian Johnson (not much in two seasons at UL).  COmpared to #80 Lorenzo Mata, who's best season averaged 6.6 ppg for UCLA.

I stopped here--I think the trend has emerged. 

While there is some overlap between players ranked 40th and 80th, recent history suggests that the low end of the performance scale for a #40 ranked recruit overlaps with the best case for a #80.  I'd say only once in the last six years could you say that the players were in the same ballpark. 

Yes, there were exceptions (#80 Fortson, #40 Johnson), but certainly no breakout players like CDR or Blair came out of the 80th rank.

[martyconlonontherun]

I think there's a bigger difference than you think. I looked at RSCI rankings and compared the #40 and the #80 players for the last several years. 

2009:  Jamil Wilson versus DeShawn Painter (NC State)--Wilson got more minutes, and even started 14 games.  Painter averaged 6.5 minutes and 1.6 ppg.  Fair to say that Wilson got off to a better start.

2008:  Anthony Jones at Baylor (PF) and Courtney Fortson (PG) of Arkansas were both part of the rotation for their respective teams.  The difference in their roles makes for a direct comparison difficult, but I'd give the edge to Fortson based on production so far.

2007:  DeJuan Blair of Pitt versus Jason Henry of Arkansas.  No contest.

2006:  DaVon Jefferson of USC declared for the NBA after one year, averaging 27 mpg and 12.1 ppg.  While its universally believed that he made a mistake, he was head and shoulders ahead of Adrian Oliver, who put up 3-5 points per game in two seasons at Washington before transferring to San Jose State, where he put up decent numbers. 

2005:  Chris Douglas-Robers versus Casaan Breeden.  No contest.

2004:  Tie at 40 between Dorrell Wright (19th pick in the NBA draft), Isiah Swann (who's best season averaged 12 ppg at FSU) and Brian Johnson (not much in two seasons at UL).  COmpared to #80 Lorenzo Mata, who's best season averaged 6.6 ppg for UCLA.

I stopped here--I think the trend has emerged. 

While there is some overlap between players ranked 40th and 80th, recent history suggests that the low end of the performance scale for a #40 ranked recruit overlaps with the best case for a #80.  I'd say only once in the last six years could you say that the players were in the same ballpark. 

Yes, there were exceptions (#80 Fortson, #40 Johnson), but certainly no breakout players like CDR or Blair came out of the 80th rank.

I stand corrected. Thanks for the research. I guess I have been going off of our recruits and who eventually pans out.