2010-2011 NFC North Division

[cheebs09]

Do you folks boo opponents at basketball games?  I think the last time I did was several years ago when Fordham was in Milwaukee and they were taking physical cheap shots and trying to injure our guys. 

I realize many of you gazed at the Favre poster taped above your bed every night for many years and are now heartbroken.  But to boo your hero is disgraceful.  Especially when you want him to retire with that ugly Packers jersey on.  I'm not a fan of booing -- there are a few select circumstances when I'm OK / understanding of it, but those circumstances certainly don't include being a whiney little group of hypocrites who d***ed over their hero and are now mad he had a great year with the enemy/Consensus.

Go check the tape of McNabb's return to Philly. 

McNabb returning to Philly is a little different than Favre returning to Green Bay.

[DJO's Pump Fake]

Life long packer fan here and true to green and gold to this day.

I never want to see favre in lambeau again.  no jersey retirement, no formal induction to the ring, nothing.  and if for some reason they do, i will boo him during that too.  As i am sure many other will as well.

what he did in the last 3 years killed anything he did to make me love him the 16 before it.

I will boo him anytime i see him until the day I die.

[GOMU1104]

Life long packer fan here and true to green and gold to this day.

I never want to see favre in lambeau again.  no jersey retirement, no formal induction to the ring, nothing.  and if for some reason they do, i will boo him during that too.  As i am sure many other will as well.

what he did in the last 3 years killed anything he did to make me love him the 16 before it.

I will boo him anytime i see him until the day I die.

I want to believe that opinions can never be wrong. But you sir, are wrong.



JayBoy, I think its time you retire from this discussion. The experiment failed. I hope you enjoyed it...even though it didnt bring you anything...except a contract extension for Chilly.

[JWags85]

I'm not a fan of booing -- there are a few select circumstances when I'm OK / understanding of it, but those circumstances certainly don't include being a whiney little group of hypocrites who d***ed over their hero and are now mad he had a great year with the enemy/Consensus.

Its really cute how you still call the Vikings the "Consensus" when you are 2-4 and you probably lose 3, maybe 4, out of the next 5, especially if Old Man River is banged up and you trot out TJ in his stead.

[MUBurrow]

forgiveness is a funny thing - you can choose to grant it whenever you wish, but no past event is precedent in requiring you to give it again.  as a packer fan, you could choose to forgive the prior transgressions for whatever reason you wish - even if its just because seeing him in that jersey made you happy.
so then when he came back and sent a picture of his weiner to a girl half his age + 7, you don't have to forgive him. most havent. for anyone to say that the people of GB owe it to Brett to forgive him because they always did in the past is stupid. its not up to the bad guy to say when he should be forgiven.

[Jay Bee]

forgiveness is a funny thing - you can choose to grant it whenever you wish, but no past event is precedent in requiring you to give it again.  as a packer fan, you could choose to forgive the prior transgressions for whatever reason you wish - even if its just because seeing him in that jersey made you happy.
so then when he came back and sent a picture of his weiner to a girl half his age + 7, you don't have to forgive him. most havent. for anyone to say that the people of GB owe it to Brett to forgive him because they always did in the past is stupid. its not up to the bad guy to say when he should be forgiven.

Clearly, you're a man of principle.   

"half his age + 7"?  Nice spin. 

The experiment didn't fail - as was discussed last year, never did I believe that anything short of a Super Bowl victory would be a failure... in fact, last year was a great success and Favre impressed.  I'm glad the Hall of Famer had such a great time with us last year. 

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Life long packer fan here and true to green and gold to this day.

I never want to see favre in lambeau again.  no jersey retirement, no formal induction to the ring, nothing.  and if for some reason they do, i will boo him during that too.  As i am sure many other will as well.

what he did in the last 3 years killed anything he did to make me love him the 16 before it.

I will boo him anytime i see him until the day I die.

See, now this is insane to me.

The guy was a cheating scumbag for years, and you cheered for him, which I can understand.

Then the guy changes jerseys, and for this, you excommunicate him from the franchise?

Let's have some perspective, people.


As somebody who has been through a fallen hero scenario (Kirby Puckett), I can tell you that you will get over it and you will realize that you really enjoyed watching him play, and are proud he was on your team.

If the Packers go back to their 70's and 80's form, you will long for the days when #4 was on the field.

[Spotcheck Billy]

it's not like MN has the best fans in sportsdom, heck, I lived there for a few years and remember the North Stars moving just a year or 2 after making the Stanley Cup, bought tickets to a Vikings playoff game to see the Saints because it wasn't sold out - I would classify a large portion of MN fans as definite band wagon fans
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the only thing that could've been a worse transgression for Brent would have been to become a Bear

I particularly resent the manner in which he wanted to only be a Viking vs. any team not in our division, it would have been like Babe Ruth leaving the Yankees to become a member of the Red Sox (again)at the end of his career. Favre retired, GB had drafted Rodgers who was close to the end of his first contract, what can TT do? trade Rodgers and bring back BF for a year only to see him retire again in the middle of July (and after the draft like he was prone to doing) and then we had no back-up QB at all?

I've been a Packer fan since the Lombardi days and will admit I hated Starr at the end of his coaching career, couldn't wait for him to be fired, I see Bart and Cherry every year now and love them to death so I realize some day BF will be welcomed back even by myself, until then I'd boo him just like I did at last years game

[wadesworld]

See, now this is insane to me.

The guy was a cheating scumbag for years, and you cheered for him, which I can understand.

Then the guy changes jerseys, and for this, you excommunicate him from the franchise?

Let's have some perspective, people.


As somebody who has been through a fallen hero scenario (Kirby Puckett), I can tell you that you will get over it and you will realize that you really enjoyed watching him play, and are proud he was on your team.

If the Packers go back to their 70's and 80's form, you will long for the days when #4 was on the field.

Nobody is saying they didn't enjoy when Brent was on the Packers and leading us to victories.  We put up with his crap when he was a Packer because he was a Packer.  We get your point, and nobody's arguing with it.  You've made the same claim in your last 4 posts.

The reason we don't like him anymore is because he plays for a division rival, and because the drama is now more ridiculous than ever.  He literally retired so that he could play for the Vikings, just to get "revenge" on the Packers.  And we're supposed to cheer for that?  That's a joke.  So he can turn his back on the Packers organization, but our fanbase should stay loyal to him and cheer for him on a division rival while he is playing against our team?  That makes absolutely no sense to me.  As has been said on here, I hoped the best for him when he was on the Jets.  The Packers made their decision to move on so we didn't have a place for him anymore.  If he wanted to continue playing, good for him.  If his only motive was to play for a Super Bowl I'm pretty sure he was in a darn good position with the Jets.  They are one of the 2 best teams in the NFL.  If he just wanted to play football and not stick it to the Packers (which he had said in the past) then he should have stayed in New York and won there, and the Packers fans would still love him and everything would be good.  But all he wanted to do was stick it to the Packers.  So he went to our biggest rival and we play them twice a year, and their success means that we may not make the playoffs.  Why would we chear for that?  Very silly if you ask me.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Nobody is saying they didn't enjoy when Brent was on the Packers and leading us to victories.  We put up with his crap when he was a Packer because he was a Packer.  We get your point, and nobody's arguing with it.  You've made the same claim in your last 4 posts.

The reason we don't like him anymore is because he plays for a division rival, and because the drama is now more ridiculous than ever.  He literally retired so that he could play for the Vikings, just to get "revenge" on the Packers.  And we're supposed to cheer for that?  That's a joke.  So he can turn his back on the Packers organization, but our fanbase should stay loyal to him and cheer for him on a division rival while he is playing against our team?  That makes absolutely no sense to me.  As has been said on here, I hoped the best for him when he was on the Jets.  The Packers made their decision to move on so we didn't have a place for him anymore.  If he wanted to continue playing, good for him.  If his only motive was to play for a Super Bowl I'm pretty sure he was in a darn good position with the Jets.  They are one of the 2 best teams in the NFL.  If he just wanted to play football and not stick it to the Packers (which he had said in the past) then he should have stayed in New York and won there, and the Packers fans would still love him and everything would be good.  But all he wanted to do was stick it to the Packers.  So he went to our biggest rival and we play them twice a year, and their success means that we may not make the playoffs.  Why would we chear for that?  Very silly if you ask me.

I think there is something lost in translation here.

I would never claim that a Packer fan should cheer for Brett when he plays for the Vikes.

What I've claimed is the following:

1. You can't suddenly dislike the guy for being a scumbag if you cheered for him all of those years. He's always been a scumbag.

2. You can cheer against him because he plays for an opposing team. Seems perfectly logical. I get that.

3. You shouldn't write the guy out of the Packers history and never want to see him involved with the Packers again. That's stupid, and reactionary.

[wadesworld]

I think there is something lost in translation here.

I would never claim that a Packer fan should cheer for Brett when he plays for the Vikes.

What I've claimed is the following:

1. You can't suddenly dislike the guy for being a scumbag if you cheered for him all of those years. He's always been a scumbag.

2. You can cheer against him because he plays for an opposing team. Seems perfectly logical. I get that.

3. You shouldn't write the guy out of the Packers history and never want to see him involved with the Packers again. That's stupid, and reactionary.

Alright I guess I misunderstood your posts (or mixed it up with JayBee's complaining about booing).  I agree that he has always been a scumbag, and as such that is not my reason for disliking him.  I also understand that what he did as a Packer was some unbelievable stuff and without him the Packers would not have their 3rd Super Bowl and would not be nearly where they are now, so I obviously appreciate what he did for the organization, but once he decided to turn his back on us I don't want him back as a Packer.  He can go down in our history books for sure, but I will never again be a fan of his.  He became a traitor when he went to the Vikings.  I understand that they were a good team in need of a quarterback, but again, so were the Jets, who he had just played for, so he very well could have stayed there rather than burning bridges with the Packers organization and their fans by going to a division and hated rival.

As far as JayBee's post on booing, is it seriously that big of a sin to boo someone?  Is boing that painful?  I have definitely booed opposing players/teams at Marquette basketball games.  Every time we play Notre Dame and Louisville I surely do.  Every times Reece Gains and Jerry Smith came back to the Bradley Center I booed them.  I can't stand either of those teams or either of those players.  It's not like I'm yelling insults, insulting their mom, cussing at them, making racist remarks, etc.  I'm booing...not a big deal, and not all that painful.  And this is coming from the guy who questioned whether volleyball was a guy's sport...boos hurt your feelings that much?

Also, yes the Philli fans cheered McNabb when he was introduced before the game, but McNabb did not go into and out of retirement over and over again just to get on a division rival team like Brent did.  If the Eagles wanted McNabb back, he would be under center for the Eagles.  And the Philli fans then booed him very loudly when he came onto the field for his first play from scrimmage.  So they also booed him.  What terrible, awful, immoral fans they have  

[GGGG]

I now simply hope that Favre retires, just so he doesn't end up dead.

[tower912]

Time to start building for the future, Vikes.   Play Jackson.    End the streak.   Do what is good for the team, not Brett's narcissism.   

[Sheriff]

If Brett would have taken the Vikes to the promised land, then he could have had the opportunity to wear his Packer jersey to the White House.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'll be in the stands this weekend at Lambeau watching the Packers destroy the Cowboys.  My son's first trip to Lambeau, he's a huge Packers fan.  Should be fun.  I'll be cheering for the Packers as well.  Finally, after 3 years of bitching about Phillips, I finally get to see him run out of town and if I can help with my voice and cheers, I'm glad to chip in.

[DJO's Pump Fake]

I want to believe that opinions can never be wrong. But you sir, are wrong.

I am not wrong, Sir.

Holding my dear franchise hostage and subsequently coming back just to stick it to us is enough for me to burn the bridges with him.

I loved him when he was at his best, but once you try to be bigger than the organization, hold the organization hostage, or compete for the sole purpose of sticking it to your former organization, you become dead to me (and most packer fans)

This is why he gets booed so loudly when he steps foot on Lambeau.

It's like finding out your wife had an affair and you get divorced.  Are you gonna welcome her back in your home to remember the honeymoon and the first few years together?  Probably not.

Anyway, I too will be in Lambeau Sunday night, and I do believe the Packers are wearing the old school throwbacks this week?

[🏀]

I am not wrong, Sir.

Holding my dear franchise hostage and subsequently coming back just to stick it to us is enough for me to burn the bridges with him.

I loved him when he was at his best, but once you try to be bigger than the organization, hold the organization hostage, or compete for the sole purpose of sticking it to your former organization, you become dead to me (and most packer fans)

This is why he gets booed so loudly when he steps foot on Lambeau.

It's like finding out your wife had an affair and you get divorced.  Are you gonna welcome her back in your home to remember the honeymoon and the first few years together?  Probably not.

Anyway, I too will be in Lambeau Sunday night, and I do believe the Packers are wearing the old school throwbacks this week?

I'm pretty sure they are wearing them on the 5th against the 49ers.

[MerrittsMustache]

I'll be in the stands this weekend at Lambeau watching the Packers destroy the Cowboys.  My son's first trip to Lambeau, he's a huge Packers fan.  Should be fun.  I'll be cheering for the Packers as well.  Finally, after 3 years of bitching about Phillips, I finally get to see him run out of town and if I can help with my voice and cheers, I'm glad to chip in.

A true fan never cheers against his own team. No matter how badly I'd like to see Lovie and Angelo ousted, I'm still going to root for the Bears every week.

[Moonboots]

I'm pretty sure they are wearing them on the 5th against the 49ers.

This is correct.

I haven't seen a defensive effort like that from a Packers team in a long, long time. Consider that the defense performed this way without six starters and a bunch of depth behind it, and guys like Howard Green playing 30 snaps after having ONE practice in Green Bay.

I still don't know what the ceiling is for this team, but the NFC is wide open. The Packers have yet to trail in ANY game by more than seven points. Just have to figure out how to win close games.

[GGGG]

They've lost three games by a FG each.  They are good enough defensively to take advantage of a one-dimensional team...and that's what the Jets are.  That's what the Cowboys have become with Kitna at QB too. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

A true fan never cheers against his own team. No matter how badly I'd like to see Lovie and Angelo ousted, I'm still going to root for the Bears every week.

I disagree.  I've wanted change for 3 years and if it finally gets into Jerry's head by having fans cheer against his team, he will finally make the move.  Cheering for ineptness only leads to more ineptness....at least in pro sports.  I'll never be accused of being anything but a true fan of that team.

If this was college, it would be a different story.

Cowboys fans are going to stage a walkout at one of the games coming up.  Not only does Phillips need to go, but the GM needs to be fired...problem is that the GM is the owner. 

[MerrittsMustache]

I disagree.  I've wanted change for 3 years and if it finally gets into Jerry's head by having fans cheer against his team, he will finally make the move.  Cheering for ineptness only leads to more ineptness....at least in pro sports.  I'll never be accused of being anything but a true fan of that team.

If this was college, it would be a different story.

Cowboys fans are going to stage a walkout at one of the games coming up.  Not only does Phillips need to go, but the GM needs to be fired...problem is that the GM is the owner. 

A walk-out?!? Seriously, when has that ever worked? A vast majority of fans aren't going to pay the price of a ticket simply to walk out of the game. The front office doesn't care if the fans boo or if there's a walk-out and you're insanely naive if you think those types of tactics work. The only way to send a message to ownership is to stop spending money on their product but, as we all should know, if you and me don't buy the tickets to games, some other fan will.

[Jay Bee]

2-5 is OK.  At least we're not in last place (have the tie breaker vs. Detroit!)

This sets up for a memorable awful-start, then to-the-Super-Bowl journey for the Purple.

Ugh... onto the basketball season.  Actually looking very forward to going to the Gophers / Northeastern State game tomorrow evening.  Trevor will be coming off the bench for the Maroon & Gold. 

[tower912]

2-5 is OK.  At least we're not in last place (have the tie breaker vs. Detroit! FOR NOW)

This sets up for a memorable awful-start, then to-the-Super-Bowl journey for the Purple.

Ugh... onto the basketball season.  Actually looking very forward to going to the Gophers / Northeastern State game tomorrow evening.  Trevor will be coming off the bench for the Maroon & Gold. 

Fixed.

[reinko]

Chico's, instead of a walk-out why don't 70,000 fans just ignore what's going on the field and watch it on a giant TV instead.

Wait...erp