2010-2011 NFC North Division

[tower912]

Lions have played all 3 of you guys on your field.    AP is the most potent weapon in the NFCN, followed by Aaron.    None of you are as good as you think you are, unless the Lions are actually not bad but shoot themselves in the foot too often.   GB won, and they should take the win, but just like Chicago in week 1, they can't pretend they are pleased and they know deep down that they were very fortunate. 

[wadesworld]

Lions have played all 3 of you guys on your field.    AP is the most potent weapon in the NFCN, followed by Aaron.    None of you are as good as you think you are, unless the Lions are actually not bad but shoot themselves in the foot too often.   GB won, and they should take the win, but just like Chicago in week 1, they can't pretend they are pleased and they know deep down that they were very fortunate. 

K

[GGGG]

I thought Detroit wasn't terrible.  Calvin Johnson is a beast...Best is a nice back...their secondary sucks though.

The NFL did them no favors with three road division games the first four weeks.  

[GGGG]

I think Jay Cutler might be dead.

[LON]

I think Jay Cutler might be dead.

Collinsworth:  I have no idea what Cutler is watching...

Wow - it was like watching Aaron Rodgers last year, holding the ball for way too long.

By the way, Canty's "taser" celebration was the best of the year so far.

[JWags85]

Collinsworth:  I have no idea what Cutler is watching...

Wow - it was like watching Aaron Rodgers last year, holding the ball for way too long.

By the way, Canty's "taser" celebration was the best of the year so far.

You can't completely fault him for holding the ball too long when he was absolutely bullrushed on every single play, I mean, he would three step drop and have someone's hand on his shoulder already, I've never seen an O-line play that bad.

Also, congrats Jerry Angelo, Todd Collins' corpse was an excellent pick up.  He is terrible and always has been.  He has never been an NFL starter and when you need a good QB for Martz' offense, what makes you think a 40 year old has-been, excuse me, never-was a good backup?  At least Lefevour was young and semi-mobile before he was jettisoned...

[GOMU1104]

Morgan Burnett out for the year.  He wasn't an All-Pro, but was starting to look good.  Next man up...

[Mobot]

Morgan Burnett out for the year.  He wasn't an All-Pro, but was starting to look good.  Next man up...

Bigby will be coming off the pup list after week 6.  Not sure if he will be able to play right away.  Until then, it will be Martin with Bush and Woodson next in line.  Not a good situation in the secondary.

[MerrittsMustache]

Lions have played all 3 of you guys on your field.    AP is the most potent weapon in the NFCN, followed by Aaron.    None of you are as good as you think you are, unless the Lions are actually not bad but shoot themselves in the foot too often.   GB won, and they should take the win, but just like Chicago in week 1, they can't pretend they are pleased and they know deep down that they were very fortunate. 

With a couple breaks, the Lions could be 3-1.  They played Philly about even, a bad rule cost them against the Bears and the fact that Charles Woodson got away with blatant interference on back-to-back plays late in the game cost them against GB. They look like the type of team that will go a better-than-it-looks 5-11 this season but could actually be a playoff contender next season.

My nephew went to change out of his Cutler jersey after the game last night, but Justin Tuck sacked him before he could get it over his head.

[jmayer1]

With a couple breaks, the Lions could be 3-1.  They played Philly about even, a bad rule cost them against the Bears and the fact that Charles Woodson got away with blatant interference on back-to-back plays late in the game cost them against GB. They look like the type of team that will go a better-than-it-looks 5-11 this season but could actually be a playoff contender next season.

My nephew went to change out of his Cutler jersey after the game last night, but Justin Tuck sacked him before he could get it over his head.

Yep, and with one of any of a number of breaks last week the Pack would be 4-0, that's how sports work.

Please tell me where the "blatant interference" is on this play:

http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Big-Play-Charles-Woodson-TD/941bb737-626e-432d-ac2e-f0e8a4194c9d

To me it looks like a pretty clean play. Johnson engages Woodson, then turns the opposite way Hill thought he was going to, and CW was there to capitalize.

[reinko]

With a couple breaks, the Lions could be 3-1.  They played Philly about even, a bad rule cost them against the Bears and the fact that Charles Woodson got away with blatant interference on back-to-back plays late in the game cost them against GB. They look like the type of team that will go a better-than-it-looks 5-11 this season but could actually be a playoff contender next season.

Sounds like you are making excuses.  You should listen to your own advice, and don't make excuses.

One of the best parts about beating the Packers is listening to Packer fans make excuses and act like it was no big deal.

FWIW - Both INTs were called back due to penalties that directly affected the play (and were very obvious to everyone...except Charles Woodson). It wasn't like they were offsides or holding away from the play. Personally, I think GB probably would have won if Clay Matthews had played.

Make all the excuses you want, at the end of the day, the Bears are still 3-0.

[MerrittsMustache]

Yep, and with one of any of a number of breaks last week the Pack would be 4-0, that's how sports work.

Please tell me where the "blatant interference" is on this play:

http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Big-Play-Charles-Woodson-TD/941bb737-626e-432d-ac2e-f0e8a4194c9d

To me it looks like a pretty clean play. Johnson engages Woodson, then turns the opposite way Hill thought he was going to, and CW was there to capitalize.

It wasn't on that play. It was on the Lions' last drive. On back-to-back plays (before the Lions' last FG, I believe), Woodson mugged the WR. Even Billick mentioned that Woodson got away with interference on those plays. Does that mean the Lions definitely would have scored a TD and/or won the game? No, but things might have gone differently if a flag is thrown. We'll never know. Much like the Bears game and the Eagles game, if a break goes the other way, the results might have been different. That's all I was saying. Sheesh. You Packer fans are defensive.

[MerrittsMustache]

Sounds like you are making excuses.  You should listen to your own advice, and don't make excuses.

What if I say that the Bears are a couple plays away from being 1-3 or that the Packers are a couple plays away from being 4-0 or even 2-2? Is that making excuses or is that simply stating facts?

[NavinRJohnson]

So Moss to the Vikings...talk about your all or nothing trade. He either is the piece that makes that offense very potent, or he continues to be a douche, and he and Favre completely destroy that team. Looking at the depleted secondaries of both the Bears and Packers, it  seems like a good move (Although Al Harris and Atari Bigby are likley due back soon). I don't know though, the thought of trading for Bill Belichick's garbage in mid-season would make me a bit nervous. It could work out great, and if you're going to go down, you might as well go down in flames.

[reinko]

So Moss to the Vikings...talk about your all or nothing trade. He either is the piece that makes that offense very potent, or he continues to be a douche, and he and Favre completely destroy that team. Looking at the depleted secondaries of both the Bears and Packers, it  seems like a good move (Although Al Harris and Atari Bigby are likley due back soon). I don't know though, the thought of trading for Bill Belichick's garbage in mid-season would make me a bit nervous.

Living out here in NE, and from Wisconsin, I have been waiting for Moss to blow up and act like a douche for almost 3 years now...dude has been a model citizen and player.  He did come out and say stuff a few weeks ago about his contract, but that is the only thing he did to ruffle a single feather out here, and he apologized for it too.  NE mgmt is notorious, and after they threw $ at Brady, Wilfork, and other vets, Moss thought he got a raw deal, and he probably did. 

Pats fans are not happy with this.  They can just double Welker on every possession now.

[NavinRJohnson]

Living out here in NE, and from Wisconsin, I have been waiting for Moss to blow up and act like a douche for almost 3 years now...dude has been a model citizen and player.  He did come out and say stuff a few weeks ago about his contract, but that is the only thing he did to ruffle a single feather out here,

That you know of. They aren't trading him because they want a third round draft pick, he's being jettisoned. That could work out well for the Vikings as he should certainly have some new found motivation.

[GOMU1104]

Chilly will find a way to screw this up.

[Jay Bee]

Good morning, Gentlemen!

[hairy worthen]

Good morning, Gentlemen!

Enjoy it now because karma has a way of biting people in the ass. I think this is the year the old man implodes, Moss or no Moss.

[reinko]

Just read this on boston.com comment section, spot on.

For Brandon Marhall- Two 2's.
For Vincent Jackson- Vikings offered a 2 and a conditional 4
For Moss if he leaves via free agency- a late 3

The math doesn't add up.
What we usually do to Oakland, Minn just did to us.

[mu03eng]

Just read this on boston.com comment section, spot on.

For Brandon Marhall- Two 2's.
For Vincent Jackson- Vikings offered a 2 and a conditional 4
For Moss if he leaves via free agency- a late 3

The math doesn't add up.
What we usually do to Oakland, Minn just did to us.

But keep in mind New England got Moss for a 4th round pick.  So they used him 3 years of his career, got some good return on investment, and then sold him for more than they paid for him.....I'd love to do that with my car.  I think Minny overreacted....Moss is a front runner and he can't right the ship by himself and the schedule doesn't get easier.

[NavinRJohnson]

Moss is a front runner and he can't right the ship by himself and the schedule doesn't get easier.

The schedule is key...if they don't go at least 2-2 in the brutal 4 game stretch they have coming up, they're screwed. They could conceivably still make the playoffs, but are they going to be good enough to go on the road in the playoffs and win? I don't see how.

[LON]

Good morning, Gentlemen!

Brad Childress and Darrell Bevell are still your coaches

[MUEng92]

C'mon, can't we just all admit Brett Favre is really the Player-Head Coach.  I can't picture Chilly even speaking up in a meeting much less instructing Favre or Moss what that need to do at any given point.

[Dish]

If Berrian wasn't a vested vet, my guess is the Vikes would have cut him after the Moss trade. Still can't believe he got six years, $42 mil, $16 of that guaranteed. Hasn't clicked with Favre at all.