Interviews with Recruits = NCAA Violations

[ChicosBailBonds]

Examples...

Sure...this is what I was saying before...define journalist vs non-journalist....these all look to be NCAA violations...or are they not because they have a cute website associated with them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0NSJTJ9w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y31w_don3es

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq2p22Cdy8A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IezznUXAe2I  I realize Poneman does this all the time and some would consider him a journalist...that's fine, plenty of other examples

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHS_Ng3RbCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT4yUuEqSxg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dA6gLoSV4M

Other Brad videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dr7EP5o8Fw




And on and on

All Brad has to do is create a company name like some of these outfits have done.  Some are legit, but some are mom and pop deals run out of a den.

[HouWarrior]

Sure...this is what I was saying before...define journalist vs non-journalist....these all look to be NCAA violations...or are they not because they have a cute website associated with them?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXW0NSJTJ9w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y31w_don3es

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq2p22Cdy8A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IezznUXAe2I  I realize Poneman does this all the time and some would consider him a journalist...that's fine, plenty of other examples

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHS_Ng3RbCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT4yUuEqSxg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dA6gLoSV4M

Other Brad videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dr7EP5o8Fw




And on and on

All Brad has to do is create a company name like some of these outfits have done.  Some are legit, but some are mom and pop deals run out of a den.

Maybe I misunderstand your point.
I watched every link. No utube piece here is identified as from an alum, or anyone who'd be a "booster" by Ncaa definition. No mom or pop from a den is an NCAA defined booster.
Forster is not so ID'd in his DJ video either, but in posts here from him, he appeared to ID  himself as a booster.(an alum) If so, Brad creating any company name would not have then/will not now eliminate him from being a booster. It is what it is, a  ship --already sailed.

Are you saying any MU booster should simply create a company name and then freely do you tubes of MU recruits ---confident that such circumvents booster contact rules?

I prefer some other school test such boundries--and that all of us discourage any ruse, or even inadvertant contact issue---esp. as many MU secondary (inadvertant) violations., can equal an NCAA major--and we have never had one.

Chicos,
I must be missing your point--as I perceive you are strong on compliance--too(given your post noting UW's comparative NCAA black eye to MU's clean record).
Please clear up my confusion, on your point--I refuse to believe you are inconsistent on this-lol.

[bma725]

Are you saying any MU booster should simply create a company name and then freely do you tubes of MU recruits ---confident that such circumvents booster contact rules?

It's not a matter of creating a company name, it's a matter of getting the media credential.  Look at the other site.  Dodds is an MU alum, season ticketholder and works for MU as a statistician.  But he also has the media credential as a result of his website, which means even though he is all of those other things, he's not a booster.

[HouWarrior]

It's not a matter of creating a company name, it's a matter of getting the media credential.  Look at the other site.  Dodds is an MU alum, season ticketholder and works for MU as a statistician.  But he also has the media credential as a result of his website, which means even though he is all of those other things, he's not a booster.

Not applicable. Tom Snyder of NBC, who attended Marquette, may well have been a booster---but also exempted due to his media credentials. Likewise, John Dodds, a credentialed media representative of many years, is not an analogy or example as those here questioned in Chicos post....

I questioned  Chicos on...those posted of each a you tuber ---including you tubers who create a company name---neither status of which makes one a credentialed media repr...a booster by any name, is booster until credentialed, and thereby excepted.

An overview of the issue is at:
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=194029985327&topic=9251&post=32950

UK has had to report secondary violations and disassociations due to message board contact violations:
http://www.ukathletics.com/doc_lib/compliance_corner.pdf
http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-49312.html

..."That initial report also cited Poe for improper use of a booster Web site because he interviewed two prospects, Woodson and former Boyle County receiver Jacob Tamme, who also signed in UK's class of 2003, and posted their quotes and pictures on bigbluenation.com. When Woodson and Tamme were interviewed in May and June of 2002, bigbluenation.com was not publishing a magazine, and under NCAA rules was therefore not considered part of the media. As such, it was not allowed to post interviews and pictures of recruits, according to NCAA guidelines. ..."

[Benny B]

Wow... you couldn't pay me enough to be Sandy Bell right now.

Nevertheless, there it is - in blue and white:

"Recently, we had a situation where some football recruits were interviewed by the administrator of such a Web site which resulted in a violation for UK. As a result of this violation we had to declare both those recruits (who eventually signed with UK) ineligible at our institution and appeal to the NCAA to have that eligibility reinstated."

This whole DJ Newbill thing is finally starting to make some sense.

[bilsu]

There is very little MU can actually do to control any individual fan. I do believe they are wise to advise us against contacting recruits. That is part of institutional control. This message should also tell us they are monitoring the MU boards.

[Benny B]

I don't for a minute believe that the NCAA would hold an institution responsible for someone who goes rogue, be it a booster of the program or a fan of a rival program.  The NCAA will conduct an investigation, and if it turns out that someone is conducting interviews with malicious intent, then no - the NCAA is not going to hold the institution responsible.

However, in this case, I don't think anyone is disputing the fact that Mr. Forster is a bona fide MU booster, at least in the eyes of the NCAA, and he certainly has nothing to gain from MU being cited by the NCAA.  So his actions, although "secondary" by NCAA definition, could result in a violation for MU.  Is it a sanctionable offense by itself - probably not.  If it were one of several secondary violations, could it be sanctionable - apparently, yes.

If - and I'm saying if here - MU declared DJN ineligible to avoid an NCAA violation, then I have absolutely no problem with that.  As far as cutting him loose completely, that would be over the line.  But for all we know, MU offered to keep DJN in their long-term plans, pending an appeal to the NCAA, and the Newbill camp balked.

[rocky_warrior]

This message should also tell us they are monitoring the MU boards.

That is true, there are several members of the MU Athletics department with MUScoop accounts.  I only remember 2 ever posting (including rulzgal), but there are a couple more. 

It's unfortunate that we've tried to start more communication with them (like Q&A for fans), but they have yet to take us up on the offer.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Not applicable. Tom Snyder of NBC, who attended Marquette, may well have been a booster---but also exempted due to his media credentials. Likewise, John Dodds, a credentialed media representative of many years, is not an analogy or example as those here questioned in Chicos post....

I questioned  Chicos on...those posted of each a you tuber ---including you tubers who create a company name---neither status of which makes one a credentialed media repr...a booster by any name, is booster until credentialed, and thereby excepted.

An overview of the issue is at:
http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=194029985327&topic=9251&post=32950

UK has had to report secondary violations and disassociations due to message board contact violations:
http://www.ukathletics.com/doc_lib/compliance_corner.pdf
http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-49312.html

..."That initial report also cited Poe for improper use of a booster Web site because he interviewed two prospects, Woodson and former Boyle County receiver Jacob Tamme, who also signed in UK's class of 2003, and posted their quotes and pictures on bigbluenation.com. When Woodson and Tamme were interviewed in May and June of 2002, bigbluenation.com was not publishing a magazine, and under NCAA rules was therefore not considered part of the media. As such, it was not allowed to post interviews and pictures of recruits, according to NCAA guidelines. ..."

Just saw your note Houston, let me try and explain.  Some of those Youtube clips I posted were from fan sites where the fans explicitly said "I just did an interview with" so and so recruit.  See it on YouTube. 

Other videos seem to have a clever name associated with it implying they are recruiting services.  Some actually are, others seem nebulous at best.

To be clear, by no means am I condoning that Brad or anyone else do this.  My point was that it wouldn't be hard to do it.  I get the credential argument, but my question is whether these recruiting services (at least some of them) are credentialed.  Or are they just supplying information to rabid college fans that want to know where these high school prospects are going?

If it's the latter, and they are acting independently, I don't think there is much the NCAA can do about it.  In Brad's case, he's a MU alum that interviewed a recruit.  he also interviewed Duke recruits, etc.  It seems to me, it would be pretty easy for him to just become one of these recruiting informational entities, call in PhillyRecruits or whatever name you want, and if he's providing information on a number of different prospects, it doesn't seem different than many of the examples I provided.

Again, not condoning, I'm only pointing out what I'm seeing on other sites by other fans and recruiting services.

[HouWarrior]

There is no such thing as a you tube poster getting press credentials from MU, or most NCAA sanctioned institutions---media credentials are not a universal license, as you know, rather each event/institution grants separate/league/or network passes. I think we agree a booster interviewing on you tube is NCAA quicksand. NO WAY should that person post here his work, links, or contact our schools prospects.

Your other point seems two pronged and salient. A booster forming a generic site HoustonHoopStars. com could video interview, and post on you tube---BUT had better not hint at where he graduated from, or reference/imply his school. Likewise-- no matter how generic the work or name--if the author is a booster, and posts, or links on the site/message board of his boosted alums--the generic nature of the work has then blended with boosterism--an error--poss. killing the recruit for  the school.

 Some other fans have masked their recruiting/contacts for the school by forming sites like WolfpackHoops.com, getting credentials from camps and the school, and noting the recruits "get" who we are for (by our name) -- when "interviewing/videoing prospects... As to interviewing prospects, esp. during blackout periods it seems  UNCState giving them a press pass cannot be a school supported ruse to help it make improper contacts---so even "media" credentials may not be a TOTAL safe harbor----nor will it fully cleanse them from still being boosters making illegal contacts for the school.....see article on same, and similar examples to the vexing problem for the schools ...

(that we'll, for MU,  clear away from-lol):

 http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=194029985327&topic=9251&post=32950

[rulzgal]

Hey guys, thank you for your interest in this topic.  Please understand that this was a way to educate a portion of our fan base as we are entering the next round of heavy recruiting.  I notice there are some questions so I thought I would try to clear up any confusion. 

The incoming guys are still considered recruits until the first day of classes.  While it may seem like a silly rule because we are paying for them to go to school, it is what it is.  Please avoid contacting them if you see them at the Milwaukee Pro-Am or anywhere else.  You can say a simple hello, but no conversation should take place beyond that.

Several fans have contacted our recruits through Facebook and Twitter as well.  While it is permissible to “friend them” or follow them, there are rules about contacting them through the social media outlets.  Please do not reply to their tweets, post on their walls, send them direct messages, wink at them, poke at them or whatever. 

If you are not sure if you meet the definition of a bona fide member of the media, please contact Scott Kuykendall, Associate Athletics Director for Media Relations and he can let you know.

By the number of views to this post, you all are as enthusiastic about compliance as I am.  Thank you again for your cooperation and please, if you every have any questions about compliance, feel free to contact me. 

Danielle
danielle.josetti@marquette.edu

[ChicosBailBonds]

Hey guys, thank you for your interest in this topic.  Please understand that this was a way to educate a portion of our fan base as we are entering the next round of heavy recruiting.  I notice there are some questions so I thought I would try to clear up any confusion. 

The incoming guys are still considered recruits until the first day of classes.  While it may seem like a silly rule because we are paying for them to go to school, it is what it is.  Please avoid contacting them if you see them at the Milwaukee Pro-Am or anywhere else.  You can say a simple hello, but no conversation should take place beyond that.

Several fans have contacted our recruits through Facebook and Twitter as well.  While it is permissible to “friend them” or follow them, there are rules about contacting them through the social media outlets.  Please do not reply to their tweets, post on their walls, send them direct messages, wink at them, poke at them or whatever. 

If you are not sure if you meet the definition of a bona fide member of the media, please contact Scott Kuykendall, Associate Athletics Director for Media Relations and he can let you know.

By the number of views to this post, you all are as enthusiastic about compliance as I am.  Thank you again for your cooperation and please, if you every have any questions about compliance, feel free to contact me. 

Danielle
danielle.josetti@marquette.edu

Appreciate the response, especially regarding the Facebook portion.  I have asked questions in the past about Facebook as it seemed athletes (not just at Marquette but a number of schools) were befriended by alums, boosters, etc.  It's good to have clarity on that.

[Shack]

Appreciate the response, especially regarding the Facebook portion.  I have asked questions in the past about Facebook as it seemed athletes (not just at Marquette but a number of schools) were befriended by alums, boosters, etc.  It's good to have clarity on that.

NCAA compliance violations aside....any dude in his 30's that posts to teenage boys on Facebook is in strict violation of a Man Code

[MUSF]

NCAA compliance violations aside....any dude in his 30's that posts to teenage boys on Facebook is in strict violation of a Man Code

+100

[AZWarrior]

Dang.  Someone reported me to the moderator as an idiot.  Ahh, I'm just an anti-teal zealot living in a teal-loving world.

I just concluded you had multiple personalities.