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Quote from: HoopsMalone on July 09, 2010, 11:20:30 AM

I'd put Noah on Bosh.  I'd hopefully put Wes on Wade haha. 

James and Wade are really going to  take it to a lot of teams.  I really think that Noah, Gibson, and Boozer will be a lot better than Bosh and Dexter Pittman.  The Bulls were unwilling to trade Noah for Bosh it sounds like, which should say something.
I would
Like we discussed before, I probably would've traded Noah for Bosh if it had meant landing LeBron and like I've said I think people are almost too high on Noah... Bosh is a much better all around player if you ask me (I would think that it would have done so, but who knows?).

Boozer/Noah/Gibson > Bosh/Pittman/and I'm saying likely Shaq

HoopsMalone

Quote from: GoldenWarrior on July 09, 2010, 11:27:30 AM
I would
Like we discussed before, I probably would've traded Noah for Bosh if it had meant landing LeBron and like I've said I think people are almost too high on Noah... Bosh is a much better all around player if you ask me (I would think that it would have done so, but who knows?).

Boozer/Noah/Gibson > Bosh/Pittman/and I'm saying likely Shaq

There is absolutely no doubt Bosh is an overall better player than Noah.  Noah is a fraction of the price though.  And the Bulls end up with the better frontline easily.  The Bulls can still add back Brad Miller as a backup.

I'd love to see Shaq down there.  Add a little more drama to all of this.

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: GoldenWarrior on July 09, 2010, 11:27:30 AM
like I've said I think people are almost too high on Noah... Bosh is a much better all around player if you ask me

Agreed, one season of 11-11, after two years of 6-ish-6ish, is not particularly exciting to me. Bosh has been a consistent 20-10 throughout his career. Noah is more Drew Gooden than he is Chris Bosh.

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: HoopsMalone on July 09, 2010, 11:34:51 AM

I'd love to see Shaq down there.  Add a little more drama to all of this.

I would too. He's obviously broken down and can't really play anymore, but I've always loved him, and I think it would be kind of interesting to throw him into that group.

brewcity77

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on July 09, 2010, 11:25:45 AM
Well then your argument is kinda stupid unless you think the Heat are going to go with 5 people on their roster. You have already declared that Boston is better, and that the Big Three experiment is essentially a failure, without knowing who else is on the team.

As I said a day or two ago, much wishful thinking going on around here by Bulls fans. The Bulls will be decent, but nothing more than that. Heck, LBJ won 60+ last year without Wade and Bosh. To suggest that theHeat cannot put together a supporting cast better than the Cavaliers had (when you include Wade and Bosh), or significantly better than the Heat had (when you include LBJ and Bosh) is lunacy.

Because of salary restrictions, it will take the Heat a couple years to really build a roster. They look to me like a very potent team for the regular season, but I think a 7-game series with the Magic or Celtics will be too much for them at first. Bosh, Wade, and James would have to each post 44 to 46 mpg for about 100-115 games if they want to have a legitimate shot at a title in the first season. Will they manage that? I doubt it.

The Bulls will be good, but I'm a die-hard Bulls fan and see them winning 45-50 games and probably battling tooth and nail with the Bucks for the Central Division. If they can add the right kind of second-tier guys with the $18 mil they have left, Chicago can challenge teams like the Heat right now. Will they challenge the Magic? Doubtful. Will they keep up with the Heat for 2-3 years, much less 5? Doubtful, unless they find a Carmelo-like superstar to pair with Rose. But I still think they'll be a good team and I wouldn't rule them out as a team that will challenge the top dogs, especially as Rose improves as a player.

And make no mistake, Noah is not the player Bosh is, but he's much more cost efficient and we know the kind of tenacity he has, making him an excellent role-player. He can be a starter on a championship team with the right pieces around him, and he's certainly better than any of the centers we previously won titles with.

Dish

I've never argued the Heat won't be very good next season. They'll be a 60 win team, should be top seed in the East. Celtics/Magic though we'll give them all they can handle.

Fact is you have to have depth to get through a season and win a title. No team has ever had 7 (at least) minimum salary players on a roster. It'll be fascinating to watch how they build that roster.

Bulls are a top 4/5 team in the East. I don't see anyone saying their winning a title this coming season, but they have a solid core right now, and most importantly, a ton of flexibility still.

Noah's a solid young big man, on a championship type team, he's a great piece. He doesn't need the ball on offense, rebounds, defends, does the little things most guys don't want to do. He's not going to be an All Star, but is a solid piece.

MUEng92

Whenever I hear people predict that someone or some team will never win a championship because they....I think back to the spring of 1989 in McCormick Hall when a guy who lived on my floor said "Michael Jordan will never win a championship because he is too selfish".

Since then, I go out of my way to try never to make predictions because you can look soooo foolish in hindsight.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: MUDish on July 09, 2010, 11:52:51 AM
I've never argued the Heat won't be very good next season. They'll be a 60 win team, should be top seed in the East. Celtics/Magic though we'll give them all they can handle.

Fact is you have to have depth to get through a season and win a title. No team has ever had 7 (at least) minimum salary players on a roster. It'll be fascinating to watch how they build that roster.

Bulls are a top 4/5 team in the East. I don't see anyone saying their winning a title this coming season, but they have a solid core right now, and most importantly, a ton of flexibility still.

Noah's a solid young big man, on a championship type team, he's a great piece. He doesn't need the ball on offense, rebounds, defends, does the little things most guys don't want to do. He's not going to be an All Star, but is a solid piece.

Felt when this came together this would be the weakest Heat team for several years.  Still believe that.  Heisler of the Times says something similar today. 

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-heisler-nba-finals-20110531,0,6027180,full.column

Of course the CBA could change that, but I'll stick to my guns that if you want to stop the Heat for the next 3 or 4 years, this is the last year to do it.

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