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avid1010

It will be interesting to see what Labron does tonight.  I hope he stays in Cleveland just because I'm not a big fan...  If the Heat can put a few role players around those two they should be contenders.  At the very least, it should be much more interesting to watch Wade for the first time in two years.

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: avid1010 on July 07, 2010, 06:38:27 AM
It will be interesting to see what Labron does tonight.  I hope he stays in Cleveland just because I'm not a big fan...  If the Heat can put a few role players around those two they should be contenders.  At the very least, it should be much more interesting to watch Wade for the first time in two years.

Look for LeBron to stay and for this whole media-generated free agent frenzy to be a bust.

The big losers in this whole mess are the Bulls who will miss out on Bosh and LBJ/Wade and potentially end up with Boozer and Korver.

Brewtown Andy

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on July 07, 2010, 07:42:49 AM
Look for LeBron to stay and for this whole media-generated free agent frenzy to be a bust.

The big losers in this whole mess are the Bulls who will miss out on Bosh and LBJ/Wade and potentially end up with Boozer and Korver.


As long as they don't overpay for those guys.  And isn't Taj Gibson basically a younger Boozer?
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NavinRJohnson

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on July 07, 2010, 07:42:49 AM
The big losers in this whole mess are the Bulls who will miss out on Bosh and LBJ/Wade and potentially end up with Boozer and Korver.


And overpay for them on top of it.

nyg

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on July 07, 2010, 07:42:49 AM
Look for LeBron to stay and for this whole media-generated free agent frenzy to be a bust.

The big losers in this whole mess are the Bulls who will miss out on Bosh and LBJ/Wade and potentially end up with Boozer and Korver.


Yes, a big bust and now LBJ is going to have an hour special on Thursday night on ESPN to announce his decision.  Only big news would be if the Heat trade Beasley and I believe they would then have the numbers for LBJ.  Now that would be a story, but I don't see that happening.

GoldenWarrior

LeBron requesting a one hour "special" on Thursday night to announce... gimme a break!!!  Such a pre-madonna, I'm just getting kinda sick of that aspect... and I'm a Cleveland fan!!!  Now of course I'm praying he stays, but the egos in the NBA are pretty unbelievable sometimes.

Wade & Bosh in Miami puts them in a nice spot, but they should still take it slow and work to build around them more if they don't land LeBron as well, so that they can truly contend for a Championship in about 3 years... if they get LeBron watch out right now

GoldenWarrior

Quote from: nyg on July 07, 2010, 07:52:04 AM
Yes, a big bust and now LBJ is going to have an hour special on Thursday night on ESPN to announce his decision.  Only big news would be if the Heat trade Beasley and I believe they would then have the numbers for LBJ.  Now that would be a story, but I don't see that happening.
It's at least been "reported" that Toronto was not at all interested in such a trade with Miami, but the heck knows?!

nyg

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/heat/espn-report-dwayne-wade-and-chris-bosh-will-789505.html

This article is pretty good and explains the possible "sign and trade" with Toronto.  The money these guys are getting is insane.

The Man in Gold

Quote from: nyg on July 07, 2010, 07:58:56 AM
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/heat/espn-report-dwayne-wade-and-chris-bosh-will-789505.html

This article is pretty good and explains the possible "sign and trade" with Toronto.  The money these guys are getting is insane.

Local paper can't spell Dwyane.   Fail!
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pbiflyer

Quote from: The Man in Gold on July 07, 2010, 08:01:17 AM
Local paper can't spell Dwyane.   Fail!

Small point, if you look at the byline, it is from the Sun-Sentinal. The Fort Lauderdale paper. They share resources now. The Post used to be one of the best sports sections in the nation. Now, not so much.

Dish

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on July 07, 2010, 07:42:49 AM
Look for LeBron to stay and for this whole media-generated free agent frenzy to be a bust.

The big losers in this whole mess are the Bulls who will miss out on Bosh and LBJ/Wade and potentially end up with Boozer and Korver.


Not sure how the Bulls come away as the big losers in this. Knicks dismantled their entire roster on purpose for 2 years and won't come away with LBJ. Bulls have Rose (borderline top 10 player currently, will be top 5/top 10 player in 2 years) and Noah. A quality, young big man and a stud young PG, tough to beat that going forward.

If Boozer and Korver/Reddick come to Chicago, that's as solid a team in the East as any. It's not LBJ/Wade/Bosh, but that Bulls team contends in the East. What would Cleveland have around LBJ? What does Miami have outside Wade/Bosh? 2 teams to worry about down the line are Washington and New Jersey.

Under the current CBA, your best bet from a financial standpoint is always to sign with your original team. LBJ/Wade/Bosh all romanticized about the three of them playing with each other, and at the end of the day, they all didn't want the same thing. Can't blame team a team like the Bulls with a solid young nucleus in place for going after these guys, well worth the shot. Bulls still very much in contention to be very good going forward.

HoopsMalone

Bulls will beat this Heat team. 

DJO's Pump Fake

QuoteBulls will beat this Heat team.

Doubtful

Dish

Quote from: DJO's Pump Fake on July 07, 2010, 09:12:10 AM
Doubtful

Considering the Heat literally have only 3 people signed on their roster right now, I'd say the Bulls could beat them 5 on 3.

HoopsMalone

Quote from: DJO's Pump Fake on July 07, 2010, 09:12:10 AM
Doubtful

Bosh is a big SF.  If Bulls get Boozer, then they have the better frontline collectively.  

Wade/Bosh is not the next Stockton/Malone or Kobe/Shaq or Wade/Shaq.  The East will belong to Boston, Orlando, and Cleveland next year again.

DJO's Pump Fake

It is going to be interesting. 

A very driven Wade and playoff hungry bosh can carry a lot of weight.

I am sure they will retain Mario and Haslem as well.

I am very anxious to see who fills out the Heat Roster

MUCrew

Why not David Lee to Chicago?  Higher efficiency, younger, better rebounding/scoring stats than Boozer.  Also seen as a hustle guy who "has been working on his 3pt shot this summer." He would be a very nice pick & roll/pop option with Rose.  He's not as glorified as the "Big Three," Boozer, & Stoudamire, but he has the numbers to backup his case as an elite.

willie warrior

I believe that LeBron will also be going to Wade's house in Miami.

Riley will still be able to get some role players to come in: Haslem; possibly Ray Allen or even Iverson, etc. They could also go after Raymon Felton. Likely Beasley will be off-loaded.

Miami also drafted three solid rookies in 2nd round.

Do not underestimate Pat Riley!!!
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dwaderoy2004

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Quote from: MUCrew on July 07, 2010, 09:29:19 AM
Why not David Lee to Chicago?  Higher efficiency, younger, better rebounding/scoring stats than Boozer.  Also seen as a hustle guy who "has been working on his 3pt shot this summer." He would be a very nice pick & roll/pop option with Rose.  He's not as glorified as the "Big Three," Boozer, & Stoudamire, but he has the numbers to backup his case as an elite.

because he played in a d'antoni offense that pushed his stats up about 25-30% across the board.  PLus david lee is probably the worst defensive post player in the league.  He's not worth max money, but that's pretty much what he's gonna get now that he has all the leverage in the world over chicago, NJ, LAC, etc.  Go get Boozer and a shooter, preferably redick.  And why not inquire about allen?

Added:
I wonder if James has completely made up his mind yet.  Doesn't this make Chicago MORE attractive to Lebron now?  Only way to get another stud to Cleveland is through sign and trade, and Bosh is off the market.  His best chance to win now has to be with Chicago.  Or I suppose NYK now that they have signed Stoudemire. 

HoopsMalone

Quote from: willie warrior on July 07, 2010, 09:34:07 AM
I believe that LeBron will also be going to Wade's house in Miami.

Riley will still be able to get some role players to come in: Haslem; possibly Ray Allen or even Iverson, etc. They could also go after Raymon Felton. Likely Beasley will be off-loaded.

Miami also drafted three solid rookies in 2nd round.

Do not underestimate Pat Riley!!!

It is possible, but unlikely.  The Heat 48 hours ago were going to get shut out and now they are getting all 3?  Raptors have not agreed to sign and trade Bosh and there is no way that Cleveland sign and trades James.  There are not three max deals out there in Miami as of now.

ESPN is going to draw national interest in on the Lebron selection show.  I would not be surprised if the Clippers get a little press to rope in some west coast interest for ESPN.  They will link along Chi, NJ, and NY too.  Cleveland most likely choice.  I would not put Bulls completely out though.  Remember in mid-June, it was Wade and Bosh to Miami and James to Chicago.  Maybe it is all coming back to that.

But, I would not trust anything that ESPN is saying anymore.  They are trying to deliver ratings for Thursday now.

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: dwaderoy2004 on July 07, 2010, 09:50:05 AM
because he played in a d'antoni offense that pushed his stats up about 25-30% across the board.  PLus david lee is probably the worst defensive post player in the league.  He's not worth max money, but that's pretty much what he's gonna get now that he has all the leverage in the world over chicago, NJ, LAC, etc.  Go get Boozer and a shooter, preferably redick.  And why not inquire about allen?

Added:
I wonder if James has completely made up his mind yet.  Doesn't this make Chicago MORE attractive to Lebron now?  Only way to get another stud to Cleveland is through sign and trade, and Bosh is off the market.  His best chance to win now has to be with Chicago.  Or I suppose NYK now that they have signed Stoudemire. 

The Bulls should do all they can to sign Boozer and their top choice at SG (be it Redick, Allen, Korver, etc) today. Add those two players to Rose, Noah, Deng, Gibson and Johnson in order to show LeBron the contender that he could be playing for next season. Worst-case scenario, LBJ stays in Cleveland and the Bulls get the other players they wanted and still have cap space to sign a couple mid-level guys.


HoopsMalone

Quote from: MerrittsMustache on July 07, 2010, 10:20:54 AM
The Bulls should do all they can to sign Boozer and their top choice at SG (be it Redick, Allen, Korver, etc) today. Add those two players to Rose, Noah, Deng, Gibson and Johnson in order to show LeBron the contender that he could be playing for next season. Worst-case scenario, LBJ stays in Cleveland and the Bulls get the other players they wanted and still have cap space to sign a couple mid-level guys.



Agreed.  Bulls had the least to lose here.  They gutted their roster and still made playoffs.  They are going to build team around Rose and make this a longer term building plan. 

The hard part is, they could have Hinrich, have drafted a SG, and now signed Boozer and another player with the $20 million they already had before the Hinrich trade.  No risk, no return though.  Those players are replaceable. 

I would put a call in to Denver if I was the Bulls., however unlikely that is.  Bulls have so much room to make trades too.  Who knows.  Let's sign Boozer and Korver in Chi so that the Jazz can pay Wes big.

wadesworld

Haha can't say I'm surprised that none of these 3 are going to be in Chicago.  I've seen this over and over and over again.  The Bulls will get James and Bosh and possibly Wade.  The Bulls will get Wade and Bosh.  The Bulls will get all 3.  Sounds like their coaching situation a couple years.  I heard Izzo, K, D'Antoni, etc.  Nope, it was Vinny Del Negro.

Delusional Chicago fans who think they're the center of the world.  Rose is very attractive because he is a stud and is young (although I wouldn't put him anywhere near the top 10 players in the NBA right now).  But Noah, really, isn't good enough to draw top free agents in.  He works really hard and he'll get you double doubles night in and night out, but it's not like a younger Shaq.  He'll get you 11 and 11.  What top free agent is going to be salivating over that?

Not surprised.  My guess is Lebron stays in Cleveland.  My hope is he goes to the Heat.

TallTitan34

If the big 3 do all land in Miami, wouldn't the rest of the roster have to be league minimum players to stay under the cap?

3 All-Stars with the rest of the roster filled out with crap doesn't seem like a good idea.

TallTitan34

Quote from: wadesworld on July 07, 2010, 10:32:47 AM
But Noah, really, isn't good enough to draw top free agents in.  He works really hard and he'll get you double doubles night in and night out, but it's not like a younger Shaq.  He'll get you 11 and 11.  What top free agent is going to be salivating over that?

He also doesn't need the ball keeping the all of the attention on the star of the team whoever it may be.

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