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RubyWiscy

Like it, hate it, good move, bad move, Buzz has shown he is willing to do two things:

Take chances and make the tough call.

Despite the periodic controversy they create, these are qualities of a true leader.  I think MU will be in good hands as long as Buzz is here.

reinko

Quote from: Ruby on July 06, 2010, 03:12:02 PM
Like it, hate it, good move, bad move, Buzz has shown he is willing to do two things:

Take chances and make the tough call.

Despite the periodic controversy they create, these are qualities of a true leader.  I think MU will be in good hands as long as Buzz is here.

Was this on a play on words?  Some folks are partly upset because he literally did not make that telephone call to DJ.

RubyWiscy

No play intended. Sorry for the choice of wording.

bilsu

I think Buzz needs to believe enough in his recruiting ability to not sign marginal players. Leave the scholarship open until you have a player you want 100%. That is waht bothers me the most. There was no reason to sign Newbill, if you were going to continue to recruit for his scholarship.

Canadian Dimes

my guess is the only reason Buzz did not make the call is becuase he was on the other line to Racine

Lennys Tap

Quote from: bilsu on July 06, 2010, 03:21:12 PM
I think Buzz needs to believe enough in his recruiting ability to not sign marginal players. Leave the scholarship open until you have a player you want 100%. That is waht bothers me the most. There was no reason to sign Newbill, if you were going to continue to recruit for his scholarship.

+1

Markusquette

He's young.  He is still learning.

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: Jamil_toMU10 on July 06, 2010, 03:53:13 PM
He's young.  He is still learning.

Looks to me like he knows what he's doing.

Markusquette

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on July 06, 2010, 04:04:01 PM
Looks to me like he knows what he's doing.

yeah you're right, he is totally experienced  ::)

you know what I meant

RubyWiscy

I agree that there is still much for Buzz to learn and that at least from a PR standpoint he could have handled several situations better.  My point is that when he recognizes an error or feels a change needs to be made, he does not back down from it and makes the call.

Recruiting is an art more than a science. There are too many unknown and changeable factors to guarantee not signing "marginal players."

3Mer

Yeah, it was a real ballsy call to remotely pull DJ's scholarship when Jamil suddenly became available.  Buzz is a virtual pillar of courage and principle.

RubyWiscy

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Like it, hate it, good move, bad move, Buzz makes a change and MU gets better.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: bilsu on July 06, 2010, 03:21:12 PM
I think Buzz needs to believe enough in his recruiting ability to not sign marginal players. Leave the scholarship open until you have a player you want 100%. That is waht bothers me the most. There was no reason to sign Newbill, if you were going to continue to recruit for his scholarship.

+1.  And the irony is that the last basketball staff received so much vitriol for signing marginal talent with the last remaining scholarship(s) instead of banking them, while this group is doing the same thing, only cutting them loose at the last second and putting MU in the current situation.


If you're not sure about a kid, don't put yourself in the situation we're in.  Just not worth it. 

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: Ruby on July 06, 2010, 05:18:10 PM
Like it, hate it, good move, bad move, Buzz makes a change and MU gets better.

Maybe....there is a yin and yang to everything.  You make it sound like all bad moves make MU better, all good moves make MU better, all liked moves make MU better, all hated moves make MU better.

Sorry, doesn't work that way in the real world.   It may make them better, it may also have a number of unforeseen (as of yet) circumstances.  We don't know yet and we won't for some time.

Lennys Tap

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 06, 2010, 05:26:19 PM
Maybe....there is a yin and yang to everything.  You make it sound like all bad moves make MU better, all good moves make MU better, all liked moves make MU better, all hated moves make MU better.

Sorry, doesn't work that way in the real world.   It may make them better, it may also have a number of unforeseen (as of yet) circumstances.  We don't know yet and we won't for some time.

You reckon it'll take, oh, 3 -5 years? Yeah, kinda thought so.

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 06, 2010, 05:23:15 PM

If you're not sure about a kid, don't put yourself in the situation we're in.  Just not worth it. 

What situation is that exactly? Again, anytime anyone wants to explain to me what the tangible negative impact any of this is going to be on MU's program, I'm all ears. I realize that oversigning.com typically gives Drudge and Yahoo a run for their money on the old hit counter, but that aside, except for an extremely small group of people who are choosing to be outraged by this, nobody knows, let alone cares about it.

Hopefully it won't take nearly as long to recover from this one as it did to recover from the Damian Saunders or Brett Roseboro fiascoes. I was beginning to think we'd never sign another recruit again.

mviale

Quote from: Canadian Dimes on July 06, 2010, 03:25:01 PM
my guess is the only reason Buzz did not make the call is becuase he was on the other line to Racine

Like this
You heard it here first. Davante Gardner will be a Beast this year.
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=27259

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: Canadian Dimes on July 06, 2010, 03:25:01 PM
my guess is the only reason Buzz did not make the call is becuase he was on the other line to Racine

No excuse, he's the CEO of the team, he has to make the call.  Just as Crean should have told his team he was leaving.  Coaches have to deliver good news and bad news, not just one variety and let the assistants do the dirty work when bad news comes.

ChicosBailBonds

Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 06, 2010, 09:52:24 PM
You reckon it'll take, oh, 3 -5 years? Yeah, kinda thought so.

Don't, but this latest example is proof in point why I wait 5 years to make a judgment.  Because you never know and only time gives you the data needed.

By the way Lenny, do you think MU should honor commitments?  You've been strangely silent on that.  Oh, and Rosiak did say he was offered by West Virginia.   ;)

77ncaachamps

Quote from: bilsu on July 06, 2010, 03:21:12 PM
I think Buzz needs to believe enough in his recruiting ability to not sign marginal players. Leave the scholarship open until you have a player you want 100%. That is waht bothers me the most. There was no reason to sign Newbill, if you were going to continue to recruit for his scholarship.

I would generally agree with this statement (especially the last sentence), but look at how we were burned during the Crean era, vying for a highly touted recruit only to have to "settle" late in the recruiting season.

SS Marquette

NavinRJohnson

Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on July 06, 2010, 11:29:19 PM
No excuse, he's the CEO of the team, he has to make the call.  Just as Crean should have told his team he was leaving.  Coaches have to deliver good news and bad news, not just one variety and let the assistants do the dirty work when bad news comes.

Good Lord. Are people seriously suggesting that he chose to have Monarch call because he was afraid to make a difficult call? What a crock. Monarch made the call because Monarch had the relationship.

But, as we all know, you wait 5 years before making a judgment. If by 5 years, you mean 5 minutes, I agree with you.

ATWizJr

Quote from: Ruby on July 06, 2010, 03:14:09 PM
No play intended. Sorry for the choice of wording.

How about, "sorry for bringing this subject up again"?  It's enough already.

DJO's Pump Fake

I have no problems with what Buzz did.

There will be no lingering effects, this happens all the time and DJ will still get a free education and D1 bball.

Next year's team is going to be scary. Go MU

MerrittsMustache

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Who had these numbers on the prediction board?

MerrittsMustache

Quote from: NavinRJohnson on July 06, 2010, 10:07:10 PM
What situation is that exactly? Again, anytime anyone wants to explain to me what the tangible negative impact any of this is going to be on MU's program, I'm all ears. I realize that oversigning.com typically gives Drudge and Yahoo a run for their money on the old hit counter, but that aside, except for an extremely small group of people who are choosing to be outraged by this, nobody knows, let alone cares about it.

Hopefully it won't take nearly as long to recover from this one as it did to recover from the Damian Saunders or Brett Roseboro fiascoes. I was beginning to think we'd never sign another recruit again.

+1

MU's current situation is one where Buzz continues to bring in highly-touted recruits in order to add depth and make the program better. That irks Chico because his ex struggled to do this while at MU and is having similar struggles in Bloomington.

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