Video Summary Of Marquette's Newbill Recruitment

[Marquette84]

Rosiak didn't mention that DJ had an offer from from WVU, he mentioned that DJ CLAIMED to have an offer from WVU. He wouldn't be the first 2 star recruit to end up at a place like Drexel after SELF-REPORTING an offer from a high major.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/97488689.html

From Rosiak's article:
"Newbill did not return a phone call or text message seeking comment."

That would seem to make it pretty tough for Newbill to have self-reported the offer from WVU to Rosiak, given that Rosiak didn't speak with him.

Here's what Rosiak actually wrote:
"Newbill, who scored 64 points in a game last season, wasn't a high-profile recruit, but turned down a scholarship offer to West Virginia and also had inquiries from Rutgers and Seton Hall. Because he signed with MU, he's now no longer eligible to play for any other Big East school."

[ChicosBailBonds]

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Rosiak didn't mention that DJ had an offer from from WVU, he mentioned that DJ CLAIMED to have an offer from WVU. He wouldn't be the first 2 star recruit to end up at a place like Drexel after SELF-REPORTING an offer from a high major.

Why do you keep saying this?  I provided the link to you days ago....unless Rosiak is wrong, which is possible, he clearly said in TWO articles that he was offered by West Virginia.  One in April and one in June.  Doesn't say anything about Newbill claiming to be offered by West Virginia, so why are you spinning it that way.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/97488689.html

"Newbill, who scored 64 points in a game last season, wasn't a high-profile recruit, but turned down a scholarship offer to West Virginia and also had inquiries from Rutgers and Seton Hall. Because he signed with MU, he's now no longer eligible to play for any other Big East school."


and here

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/90887964.html

Newbill, who committed to the Golden Eagles on Jan. 30, had a scholarship offer from West Virginia among other schools. He averaged 24.2 points, 9.0 rebounds, 5.0 assists and 4.0 steals per game this past season for Strawberry Mansion, leading his team to the state championship game and being named Pennsylvania Class AA player of the year.

[Lennys Tap]

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/97488689.html

From Rosiak's article:
"Newbill did not return a phone call or text message seeking comment."

That would seem to make it pretty tough for Newbill to have self-reported the offer from WVU to Rosiak, given that Rosiak didn't speak with him.

Here's what Rosiak actually wrote:
"Newbill, who scored 64 points in a game last season, wasn't a high-profile recruit, but turned down a scholarship offer to West Virginia and also had inquiries from Rutgers and Seton Hall. Because he signed with MU, he's now no longer eligible to play for any other Big East school."

DJ self repoted the offer to Rosiak when he originally committed. You (or anyone who cares to) can look it up.

[ChicosBailBonds]

This is the type of logic that just astounds me by those who condemn anyone who has criticized MU pulling DJN's scholarship -- the 18 year old kid "knew the score but saw some upside in playing the victim."

Just what "upside" is there to "playing the victim?"  DJN has no legal recourse, through either the NCAA or the judicial system.  But don't let that fact stop you from disparaging this kid.

This whole "he had it coming" attitude is merely rationalization on the part of those who have attempted to justify NCAA-legalized breach of contract.  You'd rather blame the kid than the sophisticated D-1 program that shafted him.

Exactly....it makes no logical sense at all.  To this day, no one has answered my question why this kid and his family\coaches would recommend signing with Marquette if this offer was contingent and not sign with another Big East school, or Temple, etc.  WHY ON EARTH DO THIS?  Because he wanted to hold out to play the victim card?   I want to put tin foil on the heads of some of these people.

Occam's Razor fellas. 

[Pakuni]

DJ self repoted the offer to Rosiak when he originally committed. You (or anyone who cares to) can look it up.

You are correct, sir.

"Newbill said he chose MU over fellow Big East rival West Virginia, which still had a scholarship offer on the table"

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/83175597.html

Of course, relying on the player and/or his coaches is the only way a reporter ican get some information. It's not like Bob Huggins goes around - or can go around, for that matter - telling reporters who he's offered.

[Lennys Tap]

You are correct, sir.

"Newbill said he chose MU over fellow Big East rival West Virginia, which still had a scholarship offer on the table"

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/83175597.html

Of course, relying on the player and/or his coaches is the only way a reporter ican get some information. It's not like Bob Huggins goes around - or can go around, for that matter - telling reporters who he's offered.

And this is the ORIGINAL Rosiak blog (Jan 30th) on the matter, so Rosiak first heard the info from the horse's mouth and months later mistakenly repoted it as fact rather than an assertion from DJ. I'll hang up and wait for the apologies from 84 and Chicos.

[Lennys Tap]

Oh, and did I forget to mention that Chicos himself supplied us with the info that DJ was the 170th rated player at his position (placing him between 800 and 900 in his class). He also referenced several sites that reported his suitors as decidedly below Big East levels. Interesting.

[mu_hilltopper]

And this is the ORIGINAL Rosiak blog (Jan 30th) on the matter, so Rosiak first heard the info from the horse's mouth and months later mistakenly repoted it as fact rather than an assertion from DJ. I'll hang up and wait for the apologies from 84 and Chicos.

That's a plausible explanation.  Or Rosiak did his job as a journalist and confirmed it.  Also plausible.

In the end .. as someone above said, Huggins doesn't go around telling people who he's offered to, nor do most (any) coaches.  Doesn't all that "who offered to whom" talk originate with the recruits, their families or coaches?

So if you want to doubt that he had a WVU offer, you might as well toss out every comment by a recruit about their scholly offers.   The report that Bob Huggins attended one of his games was probably false too, eh?

Indeed, I suppose people lie about stuff all the time.  Gosh, this DJ Newbill guy sure is a scoundrel.  Lying about his offers .. whether or not the offer was for 2011 after a year of prep (assumed) or 2010.  I guess we really dodged a bullet with this young man.   

[Lennys Tap]

That's a plausible explanation.  Or Rosiak did his job as a journalist and confirmed it.  Also plausible.

In the end .. as someone above said, Huggins doesn't go around telling people who he's offered to, nor do most (any) coaches.  Doesn't all that "who offered to whom" talk originate with the recruits, their families or coaches?

So if you want to doubt that he had a WVU offer, you might as well toss out every comment by a recruit about their scholly offers.   The report that Bob Huggins attended one of his games was probably false too, eh?

Indeed, I suppose people lie about stuff all the time.  Gosh, this DJ Newbill guy sure is a scoundrel.  Lying about his offers .. whether or not the offer was for 2011 after a year of prep (assumed) or 2010.  I guess we really dodged a bullet with this young man.   

Well, lets put it this way. At the time he verballed to us (Jan 30) no recruiting website anywhere was reporting an offer from WVU for DJ. Furthermore, he was not considered Big East material by any of the scouting services. Certainly seems plausible (likely)that DJ was pounding his chest a bit and reporting "interest" as an offer. Kids do it all the time and I'm not suggesting it would make him a bad guy. Just a guy who, along with his "handlers" (see the Jan 30 thread for more on this) hears what he wants to hear.

[NCMUFan]

I don't think it was right what happened to DJ.  If you check all my posts you can verify it.  I think most MU Scoopers feel that way.  But I got to say, after about the 100th post by Chicos the guy put a huge target on his own back.  So whats with the crying?

As for Brad, after all the work he did documenting DJ I would of wanted to get atleast something out on the internet.  An it appears he did for a short short while before he pulled it.  I have nothing against what he did.  If he feels he is on higher moral ground, good for him.

I can't say I am happy with what transpired, but if you can't live with it, walk on.  Maybe there are other teams that can meet your standards.

[NersEllenson]

Oh, and did I forget to mention that Chicos himself supplied us with the info that DJ was the 170th rated player at his position (placing him between 800 and 900 in his class). He also referenced several sites that reported his suitors as decidedly below Big East levels. Interesting.

I do recall this quite well - it was an opportunity to call into question Buzz, thus Chico's took it..just as he is doing with the Newbill scholarship revocation.  I think everyone here agrees that we don't like what transpired....BUT....to continue to belabor and make Buzz/MU the bad guy by one of our own Alumni - Chicos - makes this start to feel more like a personal agenda and axe to grind, than it does to debate the actual event.  And, the actual event has been way, way over-debated at this point already.  The truth lies somewhere in the middle between what the Newbill Camp alledges, and what the IWB account is..there is no reason to discount IWB's version 100% and to believe Newbill's version 100%.  Let it go Chicos..we all know how you feel on the matter.

[mu_hilltopper]

Well, lets put it this way. At the time he verballed to us (Jan 30) no recruiting website anywhere was reporting an offer from WVU for DJ. Furthermore, he was not considered Big East material by any of the scouting services. Certainly seems plausible (likely)that DJ was pounding his chest a bit and reporting "interest" as an offer. Kids do it all the time and I'm not suggesting it would make him a bad guy. Just a guy who, along with his "handlers" (see the Jan 30 thread for more on this) hears what he wants to hear.

That may be so.  Rivals now lists MU, WVU, Drexel and Lasalle as having offered DJ.  Never heard of this website, but it lists a slew of schools .. Temple, Drexel, ECU, FSU, Nebraska, Niagara, Rider.  Quite a list of schools if you're puffing yourself.  And that one lists DePaul, St. Joes, and Temple as interested, but no offer.  Odd if you're puffiing yourself to be truthful about those other non-offers.

So now not only Rosiak is wrong, but so is Rivals and RecruitRecon.     Apparently, Buzz thought he was BE material.  For a while, anyhow.

[Pakuni]

That's a plausible explanation.  Or Rosiak did his job as a journalist and confirmed it.  Also plausible.

If Rosiak confirmed it elsewhere, he probably wouldn't have attributed it to Newbill. Simply put, he attributed the information to its source. That's his job as a journalist. If President Obama tells Jake Tapper that he's vetoing a bill next week, Jake Tapper won't go out and "confirm it." He'll report that Obama says he's vetoing a bill next week. In this case, Rosiak is not confirming that Newbill did or did not have an offer from WVU. He's stating that that's what Newbill said.

I'm in no way suggesting Newbill lied, by the way. Just clarifying that the source of the information was Newbill himself, not Rosiak.

[mu_hilltopper]

If Rosiak confirmed it elsewhere, he probably wouldn't have attributed it to Newbill. Simply put, he attributed the information to its source. That's his job as a journalist. If President Obama tells Jake Tapper that he's vetoing a bill next week, Jake Tapper won't go out and "confirm it." He'll report that Obama says he's vetoing a bill next week. In this case, Rosiak is not confirming that Newbill did or did not have an offer from WVU. He's stating that that's what Newbill said.

I'm in no way suggesting Newbill lied, by the way. Just clarifying that the source of the information was Newbill himself, not Rosiak.

I agree with your assessment .. for the first Rosiak blog, where he did exactly as you said.  The second blog entry, he didn't.  "Newbill, who scored 64 points in a game last season, wasn't a high-profile recruit, but turned down a scholarship offer to West Virginia and also had inquiries from Rutgers and Seton Hall."

Admittedly, he could have just used his first post as his basis for not quoting the source on the second.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Oh, and did I forget to mention that Chicos himself supplied us with the info that DJ was the 170th rated player at his position (placing him between 800 and 900 in his class). He also referenced several sites that reported his suitors as decidedly below Big East levels. Interesting.

LOL....so was Roseboro, yet MU (a Big East school last I checked) gave him a scholarship.  You'll have to forgive me from laughing so hard at your attempt at humor or whatever it was....yes, DJ was not rated highly but that sure as hell doesn't mean he didn't get a Big East offer...he did, from Marquette University and likely from West Virginia.

Maybe we should ask why Buzz is going around giving Big East scholarship offers to players like Roseboro and Newbill....oh wait...

[ChicosBailBonds]

I do recall this quite well - it was an opportunity to call into question Buzz, thus Chico's took it..just as he is doing with the Newbill scholarship revocation.  I think everyone here agrees that we don't like what transpired....BUT....to continue to belabor and make Buzz/MU the bad guy by one of our own Alumni - Chicos - makes this start to feel more like a personal agenda and axe to grind, than it does to debate the actual event.  And, the actual event has been way, way over-debated at this point already.  The truth lies somewhere in the middle between what the Newbill Camp alledges, and what the IWB account is..there is no reason to discount IWB's version 100% and to believe Newbill's version 100%.  Let it go Chicos..we all know how you feel on the matter.

This from a guy who thinks Forester joined sometime in the last few months to do some kind of conspiracy on MU?    How does the tinfoil fit?

Actually Ners, if you read my posts, I said the truth is probably in the middle.....pretty much what you just said, all it takes is a little reading.   But the idea that we have to buy Buzz's account 100% is ludicrous and only paints people as complete lap dogs and blind to common sense.

Then I'm reading Lenny and Pakuni  say they aren't calling this kid a liar about his offer from West Virginia, but doing everything but calling him ...a liar.  Whatever.  

The irony there, of course, is that we've been told time and time again NOT TO BELIEVE the recruiting websites because Buzz often has things going on that the sites don't know about or aren't updated on yet....but NOW, the sites are sacred because none of them had a WVU offer listed at the time of his verbal.  Good Lord, the double standard here is incredible sometimes.

Sorry, no apologies from me....multiple sites said WVU offered.  The kid, his coach, etc said he was offered.  But hey, I'll bet he and Forester were cooking this up for months to make MU look bad. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

If Rosiak confirmed it elsewhere, he probably wouldn't have attributed it to Newbill. Simply put, he attributed the information to its source. That's his job as a journalist. If President Obama tells Jake Tapper that he's vetoing a bill next week, Jake Tapper won't go out and "confirm it." He'll report that Obama says he's vetoing a bill next week. In this case, Rosiak is not confirming that Newbill did or did not have an offer from WVU. He's stating that that's what Newbill said.

I'm in no way suggesting Newbill lied, by the way. Just clarifying that the source of the information was Newbill himself, not Rosiak.

And likewise, you have no idea if he did, in fact, get an offer from WVU.  Correct?  You're simply not calling him a liar but not willing to believe him, Rosiak (who apparently believed the liar...the kid, but didn't confirm it).    You guys are spinning so fast you don't even know what day of the week it is.


Let's just sum it up, shall we.

We have three articles from Todd Rosiak saying West Virginia offered.  Now, did he use the original source, Mr. Newbill?  Who knows.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/83911602.html

http://dev.www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/90887964.html?page=4

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/97488689.html


We have multiple sites saying he was offered ( )

Rivals (click on the SHOW ALL TAB)   http://rivals.yahoo.com/marquette/basketball/recruiting/player-D.J.-Newbill-107573


http://www.recruitrecon.com/index.php?option=com_recruit&task=showplayerprofile&sportid=1&id=238


Then we have IWB, who I think is very well connected and does his homework, writing on February 2nd that the people that know him best are his coaches (Law and Waiters).  He dedicates most of the column to those two coaches....for which we had people here going crazy with love and high fives...only now these two coaches are persona non grata.  Ahem, hello. 

http://marquette.scout.com/2/943278.html

[NCMUFan]

Chicos, we're sorry Buzz may have offered a couple sub-Big East players.  We are sorry if WVU actually offered Newbill a scholarship.  It's clear we can't measure up to your standards.  Why don't you just go to a site that can meet your standards?  Have you gone bizerk on the Indiana web site with the Creaning going on there?  Have you been policing other programs?   Where would college hoops be if not for you to straighten it out?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos, we're sorry Buzz may have offered a couple sub-Big East players.  We are sorry if WVU actually offered Newbill a scholarship.  It's clear we can't measure up to your standards.  Why don't you just go to a site that can meet your standards?  Have you gone bizerk on the Indiana web site with the Creaning going on there?  Have you been policing other programs?   Where would college hoops be if not for you to straightened it out?

Nope, I don't go berzerk on the IU website because I don't give much of a crap about IU.  I do care about MU and think we are better than this and don't need to do this to a kid.  I also know we have a fan base that absolutely would not have tolerated this a few years ago, but suddenly now it's ok?  That's pretty sad.  The spin here has been on super cycle.  Sorry if some of us think MU should be above this.  It's pretty damn sad to watch MU fans call a kid a liar, call a family liars, accept this kind of action.

NC, you're better than that.  We all are.  It's the citizenry which holds gov't accountable, it's alumni and others that hold the university accountable.  MU is a fine institution, we can do better than what we've shown in the last week.  Deep down, you know it, too.

[NCMUFan]

Chicos we all love Marquette.  But what do you want?  A public apology by Buzz?  The firing of Buzz?  DJ will get a free college education at a great school.  Sadly it is not going to be Marquette.  But he is playing with house money.  He is going to come out way ahead.  It's time to move on.

[Pakuni]

And likewise, you have no idea if he did, in fact, get an offer from WVU.  Correct?  You're simply not calling him a liar but not willing to believe him, Rosiak (who apparently believed the liar...the kid, but didn't confirm it).    You guys are spinning so fast you don't even know what day of the week it is.


Let's just sum it up, shall we.

We have three articles from Todd Rosiak saying West Virginia offered.  Now, did he use the original source, Mr. Newbill?  Who knows.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/83911602.html

http://dev.www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/90887964.html?page=4

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/97488689.html


We have multiple sites saying he was offered ( )

Rivals (click on the SHOW ALL TAB)   http://rivals.yahoo.com/marquette/basketball/recruiting/player-D.J.-Newbill-107573


http://www.recruitrecon.com/index.php?option=com_recruit&task=showplayerprofile&sportid=1&id=238


Then we have IWB, who I think is very well connected and does his homework, writing on February 2nd that the people that know him best are his coaches (Law and Waiters).  He dedicates most of the column to those two coaches....for which we had people here going crazy with love and high fives...only now these two coaches are persona non grata.  Ahem, hello. 

http://marquette.scout.com/2/943278.html

What the ---- are you talking about, Chico's? I have never - not once - said or even implied Newbill lacked an WVU offer. To the contrary, in a previous post, I said "I don't see why he'd lie about it."

For a guy who like to play who loves nothing more than to play the victim around here  - Ooohhh  ...  can't wait for you to yet again reply "You must hate Buzz" in teal under someone else's mildy critical post Get it? Get it? Because people say you hate Buzz. so they hate Buzz too because they were critical. Oh man, that's a doozy - you sure like to make bogus accusations against others. This is two against me in less than a week. And, just like last time, I suspect you won't admit you were wrong.

For Pete's sake, where else do you think Rosiak got that from if not from the kid? Huggins?? Sure. Huggins is going to take the time to call Rosiak - possibly violating NCAA rules in the process - to confirm he offered a kid who chose another school. That sounds way more likely than Rosiak simply relying on the kid's own. I mean, really, where else did the info come from, if not Newbill or his coaches?

Oh, and the tin foil hat ... Classic.
This from a guy who's strongly implied that Scott Monarch told DJ Newbill to take his time with his essay - if that's even what was said -  as part of a grand, scurrilous conspiracy to dupe the guileless waif into never applying. Way to crack the case, Mr. Holmes.

[Pakuni]

Nope, I don't go berzerk on the IU website because I don't give much of a crap about IU.  I do care about MU and think we are better than this and don't need to do this to a kid.  I also know we have a fan base that absolutely would not have tolerated this a few years ago, but suddenly now it's ok?  

Yeah, Chico's, I clearly remember your outrage over Damian Saunders being shown the door the same week classes began, a move that oh-so-conveniently solved Marquette's oversigning problem. How fortunate Marquette was to discover at about the last possible moment that a full qualified kid didn't meet their arbitrary (and, apparently, shifting) standards
Phew, we lucked out that time. If not for the last-minute discovery of Saunders' academic issues, someone might have accused Marquette of doing something "damn sad." I don't know about you, but I've heard that after June, every possible opportunity out there for a kid is trash.

Oh wait, I don't remember your outrage after all. Cause there was none.
Hmmm ... I wonder why that is.

[NCMUFan]

I propose a truce with Chicos.  I can't see anything constructive in continuing the arguments.  Sorry, can't nail Buzz to the cross.  How do you know how much flak he may have taken on what transpired?

[hoops12]

Chicos:

A few years back, you really added to the board, and you came across as a real big Marquette backer. Now, you seem to be a critic of everything in the program and a royal pain in the @$$!

You talk about others being slanted with their opinion in one direction, but how about you? I haven't seen one scenario that you have provided that would reflect positively on Marquette, or the coaching staff. You made up your mind on this topic before the entire story is known.

I don't know what happened, and I hope the best for DJ. I will wait to pass judgement until I know what really went on. Most educated people do that...........I said MOST.

GO MU!

[GGGG]

Chicos we all love Marquette.  But what do you want?  A public apology by Buzz?  The firing of Buzz?  DJ will get a free college education at a great school.  Sadly it is not going to be Marquette.  But he is playing with house money.  He is going to come out way ahead.  It's time to move on.

No, I think what he wants is for the members of this board, most of whom have received a fantastic education at a fine University, to start using their heads.  As soon as IWB's account came out on this board, 95% of us were jumping on board with the official MU side of the story.  No healthy skepticism about inconistencies on the MU end...just buying it hook, line and sinker.

Now Im not saying DJ's story is 100% true either.  As I said earlier, there are plenty of shades of gray here and the truth lies in the middle.

Seriously, I think Buzz is a very good coach.  But the dude makes mistakes...and this was one of them.  It doesn't really reflect well on MU.  Hopefully he will learn from this and move on.  He seems like a good man who cares for his players.  If that is indeed the case, he will likely make many more good decisions than bad ones.  But there should be no doubt that this was a bad decision.