Is this a fireable offense?

[KipsBayEagle]

I know that coming to a conclusion about any of this is premature.  We do not have all the facts, either side of the story, or any conditions that were put in place before newbill was signed.  But for arguments sake, lets say this plays out in the worst case scenario that has been mentioned on this board and other sources.  Is this a fireable offense, and if so, should Coach Williams be fired for it.  If this scenario has played out as it has, I have to say yes.  

The number one source of pride for me in watching in marquette hasn't been the winning or success our players have had in the pros, its really been the way the program and the school have handled themselves with class.  I remember 2 years ago during March madness, wesley matthews had an interview with greg gumbel that my brother watched, and he commented "Wow, he was very articulate and handled himself really well."  programs like Kentucky may win, but they do their university at times a great disservice in how they do it.  Constantly recruiting one and dones, and hiring a coach of moral ambiguity have led to constant pot shots not just towards the basketball program, but at the university as a whole.  If this event is as bad as some have imagined and speculated, this is an offense that I believe can not be overlooked.  To ruin a young mans (some would say still a kid) life in the hopes of improving your basketball program is not something that I want roaming around in Marquettes closet, and while it may be an action taken simply by a coach, it is an action that permeates through more than just the basketball team and its staff, but rather through the whole university.  

Coach Williams silence on this issue has also not done the University any favors.  By keeping quiet, he has allowed this story to linger, fester, and to allow heresay and rampant spectulation grab ahold of it like a run away train, making any explanation now feel more like a cover job rather than a truthful representation of the facts.  You can knock Calipari all you want for the controversy surronding him, but if anything, he has always gotten in trouble for trying to help his players.  Pitinos actions a year ago were highly immoral, but does it have anywhere near the implications or effect on anyone on the Louisville team that our staffs has had on one of our own?  I mention again at the end of this that this is a story done on speculation and is only to be considered if the worst scenario that has been mentioned, or one close to it is true.  We could find out in some time that this was done was not anything like we have come to think of it as.  But if it is, it would be a blackeye on this program that can never be fully healed, and in my opinion, action mus than be taken.

[PaintTouches]

Let's keep this simple: no.

[Litehouse]

I may be mistaken, but aren't you the same poster that just requested all the threads be merged?

[mu-rara]

This is the most ridiculous load of crap ever posted.  I won't even take the time to break it down.  Grow Up.

[Lacrosse218]

Everyone needs to chill out and paragraphs are your friend.  Reading that was a headache.

[KipsBayEagle]

This is the most ridiculous load of crap ever posted.  I won't even take the time to break it down.  Grow Up.

I really don't see how this can be considered a load of crap.

[Moonboots]

This is the most ridiculous load of crap ever posted.  I won't even take the time to break it down.  Grow Up.

Well, I don't know why you would take the time. Even he didn't. Paragraphs are supposed to be our friend.

We don't even know the whole story, much less enough of it to fire Buzz.

[Moonboots]

Everyone needs to chill out and paragraphs are your friend.  Reading that was a headache.

Looks like you beat me to it.

[Pakuni]

Ruining a young man's life?
Permeating the whole university?
A blackeye on this program that can never be healed?
Are you for real?
Good Lord, I hope for your sake the basketball program never gets in any real trouble. You might be forced to call for the Jesuits to shut down the entire university.

And to answer your question ... no. Of course not.

[KipsBayEagle]

Well, I don't know why you would take the time. Even he didn't. Paragraphs are supposed to be our friend.

We don't even know the whole story, much less enough of it to fire Buzz.

I never said we knew the whole story, and i never said we should fire buzz.  I mentioned many times that this story is based on speculation, and should only be considered if the worst scenario that has been written about on this board and others is true.

[Marquette_g]

it is an action that permeates through more than just the basketball team and its staff, but rather through the whole university.  

By this I assume you mean a crazy small % who participate in online chat rooms about the basketball team during summer break.

I would guess the majority and I mean true majority fall somewhere between general indifference to "oh we signed a new guy"

I feel bad for DJ - but the hyperbole train has completely fallen off the tracks

[bma725]

Coach Williams silence on this issue has also not done the University any favors.  By keeping quiet, he has allowed this story to linger, fester, and to allow heresay and rampant spectulation grab ahold of it like a run away train, making any explanation now feel more like a cover job rather than a truthful representation of the facts.

You realize of course that once Newbill signs the release he becomes an uncommitted recruit and no one from the university can comment on him again, right?  While people may not like the way things went down, would compounding the situation and committing an NCAA violation make it any better?

[KipsBayEagle]

By this I assume you mean a crazy small % who participate in online chat rooms about the basketball team during summer break.

I would guess the majority and I mean true majority fall somewhere between general indifference to "oh we signed a new guy"

I feel bad for DJ - but the hyperbole train has completely fallen off the tracks

I'll give you that one.  That comment by me was definitly a little strong.  What i was trying to get at was that if what happened is true, I feel like it goes directly against what in my opinion makes Marquette so unique.

[CTWarrior]

Yikes!  I'm firmly in the "I don't like what we just did" camp, but even if the worst interpretation is true, which is that we dumped a signed player because a better one came long with no extenuating circumstances, I wouldn't fire Buzz for it.  Maybe a "Don't do that again because it casts a poor light on this university and it's just not right or the way we will do things here" discussion in private is in order.  But that's about it.

[MerrittsMustache]

However things actually went down, Buzz took action that is within the NCAA rules in order to make his team better. No, this is in no way a firable offense. In fact, it's not even an "offense."

[Ari Gold]

someone explain to me how anyone would be on Buzz for this.
I haven't been on scoop for some weeks before rumors of DJ/Wilson began and honestly minus a the usual insiders and MU fanboys here no one gives a crap.

MU added a great Player in Wilson, thats what everyone is hearing on the news and people that like MU basketball but aren't obsessed enough to come on here and post about how Buzz should be fired because he got a hangnail don't give a crap.  What they know, and what they care about is MU will be scary good for the next few years and I hope Buzz continues to recruit and get the best players available. If that means some heartbreaks, yeah this sucks but Newbill will bounce back, Yous will make it into a program he fits in and Buzz will put together great teams for a long time

[ceh]

Are you for real?

[NersEllenson]

We have something here in Dallas on Monday's during the Cowboy season called: "Overreaction Monday."  Basically, the concept was formed from fans who go way overboard or to extremes in their reactions to the results of the Cowboys games.  I'd have to qualify this thread and idea as the ULTIMATE OVERREACTION.  

Please - DJ's life isn't ruined.  It was questionable at best if other Big East schools formally offered him a scholarship.  We'll see where he signs now that he's not going to MU.  If he goes to a Mid-Major, it simply means he's viewed as a mid-major talent.  If he is at this very moment at HIGH MAJOR talent - he'll land in a BCS conference other than the Big East.  Also, the fact MU offered him, might actually raise his stock - as we are a high-major program, that is an upper-echelon team in the Big East.  The rationale:  If MU thought he was good enough - why shouldn't we..at very least, take a closer look?

[Ari Gold]

Are you for real?

No, I didn't say "Crap"

[KipsBayEagle]

Just stirring up the pot....

[MerrittsMustache]

Ben Brust was allowed to get out of his NLI to Iowa and go to Wisconsin. I know it's a different situation, but the bar has been set for DJ to appeal to be allowed to "transfer" within the Big East (assuming there actually are Big East offers out there).

[Jay Bee]

I'm at the point where I'd like to start throwing punches when it comes to some of these posts.  

[Chili]

Good Lord this might be the worst post ever. Just get over it for fucks sake.

[Litehouse]

This topic should get it's own board where all these ridiculous threads can go to die.  Better yet, it's own website, like some of the obscure blogs Chicos has been linking.  Oh, I know, this should clearly get its own cable network, the NWN (Newbill Wilson Network).  We could have 1 program a day that updated everyone on the latest developments of this riveting saga, and the rest of the time it would show crap that nobody cares about, like reruns of womens softball, volleyball, field hockey, wrestling, and Badgers basketball, and we would charge every cable subscriber in the country $1/month for the privilege.

[Pakuni]

Ben Brust was allowed to get out of his NLI to Iowa and go to Wisconsin. I know it's a different situation, but the bar has been set for DJ to appeal to be allowed to "transfer" within the Big East (assuming there actually are Big East offers out there).

If I'm not mistaken, there is, under certain circumstances, a  process by which Newbill still could attend a Big East school. He would first have to get his NLI to Marquette declared "null and void," which, it would seem, probably would not be too difficult at this point.
So this business about him never being able to go to a Big East school may not be accurate.