Buzz's Mistake...

[4everwarriors]

was signing Newbill to LOI. I'm sure he was trying to cover all scenerios, but the recruit is not BE material, then take a pass. And, if the the plan all along was to push him to prep school, that's all the more reason not to sign him. Apparently Monarch was the lead recruiter and the only coach on staff who thought DJ possessed BE skills.

[CrazyEcho]

was signing Newbill to LOI. I'm sure he was trying to cover all scenerios, but the recruit is not BE material, then take a pass. And, if the the plan all along was to push him to prep school, that's all the more reason not to sign him. Apparently Monarch was the lead recruiter and the only coach on staff who thought DJ possessed BE skills.

What is your basis for saying that Buzz didn't think he's BE material?  In fact, IWB's post directly contradicts that: "He will likely head to prep school for a year, but MU gave him his release so, in case he decides to go to another school, he has that option. If he decides to - MU will help him with the process. If he decides to stay with the prep school route - MU will stay on him."

IWB explained that MU's needs had been filled at the guard position, but if we couldn't fill the scholarships with "big men" (presumably 3/4/5s) then he could come on board.  He signed a LOI so other schools would stop recruiting him.  

[reinko]

What is your basis for saying that Buzz didn't think he's BE material? 

IWB explained that MU's needs had been filled at the guard position, but if we couldn't fill the scholarships with "big men" (presumably 3/4/5s) then he could come on board.  He signed a LOI so other schools would stop recruiting him. 

     

[Brewtown Andy]

     

Nobody said it had to make sense.

[wyoMUfan]

I think Crazy Echo makes a good point. He seems to genuinely want to go to MU if not this year maybe next, signing the LOI prevented other pressures from getting in the way of working towards MU even if that means a stop at a prep school along the way.

[HoopsMalone]

Newbill had guts.  Fortune favors the bold and he almost got to Marquette.  I applaud him.  Take a big risk.  It will all work out for him and he can have no regrets.  He took a risk and now he goes prep for a year and goes to a place where he fits great.  Maybe even still at Marquette.

[CrazyEcho]

     

I'm far from a recruiting expert . . . so I'm not 100% sure I'm correct. 

If a player signs a National Letter of Intent don't other schools have to stop formally recruiting him?

[MUfan12]

Newbill had guts.  Fortune favors the bold and he almost got to Marquette.  I applaud him.  Take a big risk.  It will all work out for him and he can have no regrets.  He took a risk and now he goes prep for a year and goes to a place where he fits great.  Maybe even still at Marquette.

Agreed. Also, no one has heard from DJ himself. For all we know, he could be taking this in stride. Especially if what IWB posted is correct (and I have no reason to believe otherwise).

[MUBurrow]

heres the only factual misunderstanding I probably have on the issue. If Jamil never becomes available, does DJ still go to prep school? or was DJ going to be on the team if no other use for his schollie popped up?

[CrazyEcho]

heres the only factual misunderstanding I probably have on the issue. If Jamil never becomes available, does DJ still go to prep school? or was DJ going to be on the team if no other use for his schollie popped up?

My impression is yes he would have. 

[MUfan12]

heres the only factual misunderstanding I probably have on the issue. If Jamil never becomes available, does DJ still go to prep school? or was DJ going to be on the team if no other use for his schollie popped up?

Not 100% on this, but I'm pretty sure they knew that Wilson wasn't gonna be quacking in Eugene once Kent got the ax.

[Ready2Fly]

Newbill had guts.  Fortune favors the bold and he almost got to Marquette.  I applaud him.  Take a big risk.  It will all work out for him and he can have no regrets.  He took a risk and now he goes prep for a year and goes to a place where he fits great.  Maybe even still at Marquette.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[4everwarriors]

Newbill will matriculate elsewhere.

[swimmer]

I'm still disappointed in Buzz for letting this kid sign a LOI.  It was obviously not in Newbill's best interest to sign when he knew Buzz fully intended to go after someone else.  Even if Buzz disclosed all the conditions, we're talking about a kid here, and Buzz shouldn't have let him make a dumb decision.  If Buzz wasn't 100% committed to taking him on, he should have told him to look elsewhere instead of messing up his chances of catching on with another school this year.    

[CrazyEcho]

I'm still disappointed in Buzz for letting this kid sign a LOI.  It was obviously not in Newbill's best interest to sign when he knew Buzz fully intended to go after someone else.  Even if Buzz disclosed all the conditions, we're talking about a kid here, and Buzz shouldn't have let him make a dumb decision.  If Buzz wasn't 100% committed to taking him on, he should have told him to look elsewhere instead of messing up his chances of catching on with another school this year.    

DJ wanted to play basketball at MU so bad it was worth the risk to him. 

Plus, he got to walk around telling everyone he was headed to the BE next year to play basketball.  I think that factor played a much bigger role in all of this than people recognize. 

[Norm]

I agree with those who say Buzz should not have accepted Newbill's LOI if he wasn't absolutely certain he would be welcomed on the team this fall. For one thing, Newbill can now no longer play for any other Big East team, even though he may never set foot in a MU classroom. Second, it is not fair to the kid, regardless of how bad he wanted to play at MU, to accept the LOI, and then give him the release. Simply tell him that they can't accept an LOI from him this year, but that they could fit him in after a year at Prep School.

[brewcity77]

I agree with those who say Buzz should not have accepted Newbill's LOI if he wasn't absolutely certain he would be welcomed on the team this fall. For one thing, Newbill can now no longer play for any other Big East team, even though he may never set foot in a MU classroom. Second, it is not fair to the kid, regardless of how bad he wanted to play at MU, to accept the LOI, and then give him the release. Simply tell him that they can't accept an LOI from him this year, but that they could fit him in after a year at Prep School.

I hate to say it, but might that have been part of the point? You have a potential bench contributor if you can't sign Wilson, and keep him away from the likes of Huggins (who was recruiting him iirc) if you can. A bit devious, but win-win as far as Marquette is concerned.

[Jay Bee]

So Buzz should have done this?!?!:

'OK, DJ, since we're not sure you'll be a part of this team, let's make that public knowledge.  We will not let you sign an NLI.  Sure, everyone will automatically know your situation clearly.  You might not work out -- since the message boards need this information, we need to make it obvious and open to all so they don't whine like girls should you not make the team, which is a real possibility.  If you make the team, well, everyone will know that your status was 'might not work out'.  If you don't make the team, well,.. same thing.  Great idea, yes?!'

Come on.  It gets down to the discussions that were had, the specifics of which most of us do not know and should not know.  I hope Newbill has a great college experience in the classroom and on the court and am sorry we may not get to see him do either at Marquette.  At the same time, I stand behind the leaders of our bball program at Marquette. 

[79Warrior]

was signing Newbill to LOI. I'm sure he was trying to cover all scenerios, but the recruit is not BE material, then take a pass. And, if the the plan all along was to push him to prep school, that's all the more reason not to sign him. Apparently Monarch was the lead recruiter and the only coach on staff who thought DJ possessed BE skills.

Buzz said that some guys signed will not be coming. That has happened and he has been open and candid about it. Without knowing any of the facts you shoud not jump to any conclusion.

[4everwarriors]

Inquisitive minds need to know:

Why did Wilson wait so long to transfer. Seems he was Oregon history as early as mid-March.
Appears most of this crap was avoidable if announced in March and the process went down then. Just axin'.

[Jay Bee]

Inquisitive minds need to know:

Why did Wilson wait so long to transfer. Seems he was Oregon history as early as mid-March.
Appears most of this crap was avoidable if announced in March and the process went down then. Just axin'.

  Why do you like men and sheep?  I don't have (or want) the specifics behind your 'strange' desires. You don't have the specifics on 'this crap' and may never have them - you're not just 'axin', you're being a dill wad (but not as bad as Chicos.. but from her, it's expected).

[pbiflyer]

Inquisitive minds need to know:

Why did Wilson wait so long to transfer. Seems he was Oregon history as early as mid-March.
Appears most of this crap was avoidable if announced in March and the process went down then. Just axin'.

Um, perhaps Wilson hadn't decided yet to a) transfer or b) where to transfer to.

But don't let logic get in the way of a good hate.

[4everwarriors]

JB,
Where you been at all these years? Anyone who's paid attention and without reading comprehension issues, knows beyond a doubt, that I can't stomach Crean and haven't since he rear-ended himself vs. Kansas. I have and remain 4 square in Buzz's corner. See no reason to deviate now.

[Jay Bee]

JB,
Where you been at all these years? Anyone who's paid attention and without reading comprehension issues, knows beyond a doubt, that I can't stomach Crean and haven't since he rear-ended himself vs. Kansas. I have and remain 4 square in Buzz's corner. See no reason to deviate now.

  Huh? What does a former coach have to do with this?  You're creating inflammatory topics regarding our current coach because of assumptions you're making.  It's ridiculous.  "Appears most of this crap was avoidable...mid-March"?.. get real. 

[Lennys Tap]

So Buzz should have done this?!?!:

'OK, DJ, since we're not sure you'll be a part of this team, let's make that public knowledge.  We will not let you sign an NLI.  Sure, everyone will automatically know your situation clearly.  You might not work out -- since the message boards need this information, we need to make it obvious and open to all so they don't whine like girls should you not make the team, which is a real possibility.  If you make the team, well, everyone will know that your status was 'might not work out'.  If you don't make the team, well,.. same thing.  Great idea, yes?!'

Come on.  It gets down to the discussions that were had, the specifics of which most of us do not know and should not know.  I hope Newbill has a great college experience in the classroom and on the court and am sorry we may not get to see him do either at Marquette.  At the same time, I stand behind the leaders of our bball program at Marquette. 

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