monterale clark "the truth"

[bigeast2010]

As of june 10,2010 mr. clark has not seen a judge.Also there is no DNA evidence and he passsed a lie detector test but of course the good ol' State of Texas at least wants probation to cover themselves !! He was held for three days without a phone call lawyers couldn't even find him and you tell me a a girl who was supposedly past out and had to go to a detox center that night claims she was raped (and her friends left her there and she came to the room drunk looking for Mr. Clark. You people need to research the police department in Waco(hillsbourgh) and there national cases!! the cops where lying to each boy telling them the other is saying this and that so of course kids who have never be in jail and cop telling them lies and how much time there facing and what the other kids are so called saying and all this without a phone call you tell me what really happen do your research people this place is known for  that!!

[mu89]

soooo what are you saying?

[MisterJaylenBrownMU]

Rather than wading through this incoherent post and trying to respond to it point-by-point, I'd just remind anybody who is listening that Clark already admitted to some level of sexual assault to the police.  When your defense is "I didn't rape her, I just did other stuff to her and watched my friends rape her," it's hard for me to feel bad for the guy.

If he's found not guilty at the end of the day, then we'll talk.  Something tells me he's going to get a whole lot more than probation, but I'm not sitting in the prosecutor's office obviously.  

For those that want to read the police affidavit, it's here:  http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/59372882.html.  Doesn't sound like much of the above post is true.  The guy waived his Miranda rights and admitted to acts with the girl that are illegal in Texas. 


Edited to add link.

[MU111]

and you tell me a a girl who was supposedly past out and had to go to a detox center that night claims she was raped (and her friends left her there and she came to the room drunk looking for Mr. Clark.

So what I get from this statement is that you're claiming the girl was lying about being raped.  Not cool.  Anyway, like MisterDMU said, he already admitted to involvement.  Regardless of an end result, that's not a guy I want on my team.

[Brewtown Andy]

Also there is no DNA evidence

Not a requirement.

and he passsed a lie detector test

Not admissable

He was held for three days without a phone call

Phone calls aren't a right.

the cops where lying to each boy telling them the other is saying this and that

A time honored tradition of interrogation and since interrogatees have the right to remain silent, it's completely legal.

Were you going somewhere with all of this?

[Tugg Speedman]

When your defense is "I didn't rape her, I just did other stuff to her and watched my friends rape her," it's hard for me to feel bad for the guy.

Essentially this was Kobe's defense and it worked for him.

You could also say this is was similar to the Duke Lacrosse defense as well.  It worked for them (after the unfairly media trashed them for 18 months).  The team was re-instated and it just won the national championship again.

Just saying ....

[4everwarriors]

It don't matter. He ain't ballin' for old MU or Buzz and that's just fine.

[willie warrior]

Essentially this was Kobe's defense and it worked for him.

You could also say this is was similar to the Duke Lacrosse defense as well.  It worked for them (after the unfairly media trashed them for 18 months).  The team was re-instated and it just won the national championship again.

Just saying ....

great--let's start a thread on Kobe the Convict.
kobe got away with rape big time by paying off everybody.
Now he is idolized by millions. Perception is reality.
None the less, Kobe will always be Kobe the Convict in my book. And please spare me the youthful indiscretion BS

[tower912]

As of june 10,2010 mr. clark has not seen a judge.Also there is no DNA evidence and he passsed a lie detector test but of course the good ol' State of Texas at least wants probation to cover themselves !! He was held for three days without a phone call lawyers couldn't even find him and you tell me a a girl who was supposedly past out and had to go to a detox center that night claims she was raped (and her friends left her there and she came to the room drunk looking for Mr. Clark. You people need to research the police department in Waco(hillsbourgh) and there national cases!! the cops where lying to each boy telling them the other is saying this and that so of course kids who have never be in jail and cop telling them lies and how much time there facing and what the other kids are so called saying and all this without a phone call you tell me what really happen do your research people this place is known for  that!!

If presented in a court of law by a reasonably competent attorney with appropriate proof to back up these claims, there is a chance that the accused would be found 'not guilty'.    And if they are all 100% true, then Mr. Clark has had a whole bunch of his life turned upside down by false accusations and overzealous cops and prosecutors.    If that is the case, then he has my deepest sympathy and I wish him nothing but the best.     But none of that has any bearing on whether or not he comes to MU.    He is not.  

[4everwarriors]

I don't give no chit.

[GOMU1104]

FYI, Clark will be attending Highland Community College in Kansas

http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/blog/message.aspx?f=123&id=1158444

[MU Fan in Connecticut]

Well, at least it's not a posting about the latest rumor in conference realignment.

[marquette99]

All any of us on this page know is that one of 2 things happened:

1. Monterale clark committed on of the worst crimes possible in rape, OR

2. Monterale's life has been ruined by being falsely accused of rape.

Either one is a tragedy.  The first is worse than the second, but only one of them is true.  If the second is true, then you can understand the panic in this post.  I would suggest you read this police report and compare it to the prosecutors report on ben rothlensburger's rape in georgia however.  There you have a case of a prosecutor believing beyond any doubt that there was a clear premeditated, orchestrated rape in which his coherts prevented any witnesses from getting near the act so there was no way to convict.  In that case, all the girls who testified about trying to get to their friend now have their names tarnished.

I'm not going to dismiss this post, because if the latter is the case, then I do understand the outrage from someone who sees big ben clear after a few weeks and just facing a 6-game suspension, while monterale is string out.

All I am going to do is pray that justice prevails and that monterale is locked up if he is guilty, but that he does get a speedy trial and this is put behind him if he is not guilty.  Police, lawyers and judges have a very tough job in determining the truth in these cases, and I just pray the judge or jury has wisdom to reach the correct verdict.

[dennycrane]

soooo what are you saying?

MU is looking at Clark again?

[4everwarriors]

Ain't happen. Buzz would start 5 dudes under 6'0" first. Check out his LA comments on playing for MU. It's a privilege, not a right.

[marquette99]

Didn't say anything about him playing for marquette. I am just defending whoever sent the original post.  As a kid who was interested in marquette, I hope monterale didn't do it, and if he didn't do it, I understand the first post and hope he is exonerated and can go on withhis life.and in that case it would have been sad that he marquette career didn't happen because of a false accusation and he didn't have resouces to address the charges immediately.

Obviously, if he is guilty, then justice needs to be served.

[TJ]

but that he does get a speedy trial and this is put behind him if he is not guilty. 

In this country, he may never get that chance.  We have a presumption of Innocence in this country, so if it never goes to trial it's supposed to be assumed that he's innocent.  However, he's already been convicted by 99% of people, so he doesn't get that luxury.  He'll never really be able to clear his name now that everyone just assumes he's guilty - even if it does go to trial, courts don't decide innocence or guilt; the best they can do is say he's "not guilty".

How many people (myself included) thinks OJ did it?  But he was found not guilty...

[texaswarrior74]

Having lived in Texas for 30 years now I will tell you that in many places even today the law is far from color blind. There are some places you don't want to be accused of ANYTHING if you are Black or Hispanic and McClennan County is one of them.....the others are in far Southeast Texas which still has a Klan presence to this day.

As of the census[3]  of 2000, there were 213,517 people, 78,859 households, and 52,914 families residing in the county. The population density was 205 people per square mile (79/km²). There were 84,795 housing units at an average density of 81 per square mile (31/km²). The racial makeup of the county was 72.17% White, 15.19% Black or African American, 0.49% Native American, 1.07% Asian, 0.05% Pacific Islander, 9.21% from other races, and 1.83% from two or more races. 17.91% of the population were Hispanic or Latino of any race. 12.8% were of German, 11.0% American, 8.0% English and 6.9% Irish  ancestry according to Census 2000.

There aren't too many places in this state where the population is 72% white......

Take it for what it's worth.....not saying he's innocent but knowing where this all supposedly went down it would not surprise me in the least.

[PE8983]

How in the world is he going to a CC when his legal issues haven't been resolved?  They're going to allow him to play basketball?

[ChuckyChip]

Essentially this was Kobe's defense and it worked for him.

You could also say this is was similar to the Duke Lacrosse defense as well.  It worked for them (after the unfairly media trashed them for 18 months).  The team was re-instated and it just won the national championship again.

Just saying ....

Actually, Duke's lacrosse championship this year was the first in the school's history.

[Skatastrophy]

All any of us on this page know is that one of 2 things happened:

1. Monterale clark committed on of the worst crimes possible in rape, OR

2. Monterale's life has been ruined by admitting that he and his friends sexually assaulted a girl during an interrogation by the Police

Fixed.

[Freeport Warrior]

FYI, Clark will be attending Highland Community College in Kansas

http://www.wissports.net/sports/hoopsb/blog/message.aspx?f=123&id=1158444

Highland is in Freeport, IL

[Marquette84]

Fixed.

You fixed nothing--in fact, it was more accurate before.  You actually made it worse.

Your change to the second statement presumes guilt.  What Clark admitted to was not necessarily a crime.  And he may even have been coerced into making the statement. Nothing has been proven.

If the Duke case has shown us anything, we can't just take the accusers, police or prosecutors word. 

In this country we presume innocence until proven guilty.  Thats why we hold trials.  Lets wait until then before making snarky comments that declare Clark guilty.

[Pakuni]

Fixed.

Cause a police officer never, ever, ever has lied or been less than fully truthful in a report, affidavit, and certainly not on the witness stand.
Perish the thought.

This is why we have trials and don't send people to prison based on what a cop chooses to write (and, trust me, they're very selective) in a police report or affidavit.
I don't know if it something improper happened in this case. Highly unlikely. But one would be a little more than naive to think that what's written in a police report is always true. It's for this reason many, if not most, police departments these days try to videotape, or at least audio tape, suspect interviews in sensitive or significant cases. Apparently that space-age technology hasn't made it down to Texas yet.

[ListerineSting]

Where there is smoke there is fire. Buzz had better keep the roster clean by moving on.