Sounds like Mbakwe might leave UMN...

[ChicosBailBonds]

Crean really knew how to pick 'em.

And Buzz was hoping he wouldn't transfer....just sayin. (I'm sure this will be implied by some as an attack)   

[ATL MU Warrior]

And Buzz was hoping he wouldn't transfer....just sayin. (I'm sure this will be implied by some as an attack)   

and you know what Buzz is hoping how?  Oh, I forgot, you don't...and neither do any of the other jagnuts that are going to come on here and pretend they do.

[Lennys Tap]

And Buzz was hoping he wouldn't transfer....just sayin. (I'm sure this will be implied by some as an attack)   

(no it won't) Another failed mind reading attempt - it's happening awfully frequently these days.

[ChicosBailBonds]

and you know what Buzz is hoping how?  Oh, I forgot, you don't...and neither do any of the other jagnuts that are going to come on here and pretend they do.

Uhm, I read what he said in the newspaper and in the interviews he did about it.  Um, that's how.  Unless what he said was not true and just coach speak, which of course is always possible.

See Lenny, that's the difference, I actually READ what he said (or Marquette84 saying MU would make the NCAAs, all you have to do is read), I'm not going to divine intent like you do, or play psychologist.  

He was disappointed and shocked by the news of him (Trevor) leaving.  Didn't know how it would affect his team.  Reading, try it sometime...way better than playing psychologist.  Or listen to the interviews, that way you don't even have to read, you can just listen, much easier that way.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Uhm, I read what he said in the newspaper and in the interviews he did about it.  Um, that's how.  Unless what he said was not true and just coach speak, which of course is always possible.

See Lenny, that's the difference, I actually READ what he said (or Marquette84 saying MU would make the NCAAs, all you have to do is read), I'm not going to divine intent like you do, or play psychologist.  

He was disappointed and shocked by the news of him (Trevor) leaving.  Didn't know how it would affect his team.  Reading, try it sometime...way better than playing psychologist.  Or listen to the interviews, that way you don't even have to read, you can just listen, much easier that way.

"Buzz was hoping he wouldn't transfer" doesn't equal "he was disappointed and shocked by the news of him (Trevor) leaving".  The first statement implies advanced knowledge of the impending transfer while the second implies exactly the opposite. 

Nice try.

[🏀]

"Buzz was hoping he wouldn't transfer" doesn't equal "he was disappointed and shocked by the news of him (Trevor) leaving".  The first statement implies advanced knowledge of the impending transfer while the second implies exactly the opposite. 

Nice try.

Talk about grasping at the definition of the word. Chicos made a valid point, move along.

[ATL MU Warrior]

Talk about grasping at the definition of the word. Chicos made a valid point, move along.

Call it what you want, but I'm still not sure how making two contradictory statements proves a point.

Since I guess I don't get it, can you explain what Chico's point was?

[StillAWarrior]

Since I guess I don't get it, can you explain what Chico's point was?

I can't speak for Chico's, but I think when someone says that he is disappointed that something happened, it is reasonable to infer that he hoped it would not happen.  However, I'll grant that he may not have given it any thought whatsoever in advance.  But considering the comments in context, I'm going to join the ranks of the mind readers and assume that after taking the job Buzz did consider the potential for transfers and assume that "disappointed" = "hoped it would not happen."  Of course there is one other possibility -- Buzz wasn't really disappointed and he was just saying what coaches say.

[Lennys Tap]

Uhm, I read what he said in the newspaper and in the interviews he did about it.  Um, that's how.  Unless what he said was not true and just coach speak, which of course is always possible.

See Lenny, that's the difference, I actually READ what he said (or Marquette84 saying MU would make the NCAAs, all you have to do is read), I'm not going to divine intent like you do, or play psychologist.  

He was disappointed and shocked by the news of him (Trevor) leaving.  Didn't know how it would affect his team.  Reading, try it sometime...way better than playing psychologist.  Or listen to the interviews, that way you don't even have to read, you can just listen, much easier that way.

You said: "(This will be seen as an attack by some)"
I said: "(no it won't). Another failed mind reading attempt"

Since you insist you read this, I guess you just need someone to explain it to you. You were "looking into your crystal ball" and whining that people would interpret your post as an attack on Buzz (a tact you employ frequently). I said that people wouldn't interpret it that way.

So far, I am right. The only thing people have questioned is your insistance that he was "disappointed and shocked" by the news. I have no horse in that particular race, but my guess is he was disappointed but probably not shocked. I'm sure if you have evidence to the fact that he was shocked you'll share it with the board.

Getting back on point, you read my straightforward and obvious post but for some reason couldn't comprehend it. 7300+ posts suggest you're a better talker than a listener. Maybe you should strive for a little more balance.

[StillAWarrior]

Getting back on point, you read my straightforward and obvious post but for some reason couldn't comprehend it. 7300+ posts suggest you're a better talker than a listener. Maybe you should strive for a little more balance.

For what it's worth (precious little), I mis-read your post too.  I understood that your parenthetical ("no it won't") referred to Chico's parenthetical, but I thought the rest of your post was referring to the remainder of Chico's post (the comments about Buzz).  The second half of your post seemed very similar to the post immediately prior to yours by ATL MU Warrior - although it's clear now that was not your intent.

I'm not going to jump into the fray on post counts, listening, etc., but your post wasn't as straightforward and obvious as you seem to think.

[ChicosBailBonds]

"Buzz was hoping he wouldn't transfer" doesn't equal "he was disappointed and shocked by the news of him (Trevor) leaving".  The first statement implies advanced knowledge of the impending transfer while the second implies exactly the opposite. 

Nice try.

Maybe you should go back and read all the articles.   Indulge yourself.  Here's a hint, articles about MU and Buzz are not solely the jurisdiction of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

[ChicosBailBonds]

You said: "(This will be seen as an attack by some)"
I said: "(no it won't). Another failed mind reading attempt"

I have never been Miss Cleo like you Lenny.  You excel at it.  Of course, by me beating you to the punch and stating that someone would likely read it as an attack, did that prevent the attack?  You decide

Since you insist you read this, I guess you just need someone to explain it to you. You were "looking into your crystal ball" and whining that people would interpret your post as an attack on Buzz (a tact you employ frequently). I said that people wouldn't interpret it that way.

Based on countless examples of people attacking, it was a fair assumption.

So far, I am right. The only thing people have questioned is your insistance that he was "disappointed and shocked" by the news. I have no horse in that particular race, but my guess is he was disappointed but probably not shocked. I'm sure if you have evidence to the fact that he was shocked you'll share it with the board.

So you're saying Buzz is a liar and that he wasn't shocked despite his exact words saying "I was shocked by the news" according to one of many articles on the subject.  Uhm, ok. You must be a Buzz hater, to be calling him a liar like that.   http://www.jsonline.com/sports/goldeneagles/32596679.html

Getting back on point, you read my straightforward and obvious post but for some reason couldn't comprehend it. 7300+ posts suggest you're a better talker than a listener. Maybe you should strive for a little more balance.

Maybe you just don't have much to offer.   Or maybe it's because I've been here since 2006 and you have been here since 2009, just a hunch.

[MuMark]

I think its fair to say when a player who was counted on to play a major role leaves the day before classes start any coach would be shocked and disappointed by the news.

Why is this even a subject of debate?


Mbakwe is a talented kid who was a risky recruit for reasons that are well known.

It didn't work out and now he is Tubby's problem.

Must every thread become a Buzz/Crean pissing match? 

[StillAWarrior]

Must every thread become a Buzz/Crean pissing match?

Past experience suggests that the answer to this one is "Yes."  I don't think you'd have been complaining about that when Crean was coach.

Oh...was that a rhetorical question?

[MuMark]

If when Crean was coach every thread turned into a Crean/Deane pissing match I certainly would have complained.

For the record ....I am not a Crean basher.....I am just tired of  a coach, who has been gone for over 2 years, still dominating so much of the discussion.

The posters who hate him can't stop tweaking the posters who defend him........you would think it would all have been said by now.......guess not. 

[StillAWarrior]

If when Crean was coach every thread turned into a Crean/Deane pissing match I certainly would have complained.

I should have used teal.  My bad.

[augoman]

say, not to bring the thread back to the original topic..., but, since Mbakwe was already enrolled at MU, would he still sit a year if he transfers back?

[4everwarriors]

Augieman,
I wouldn't want that db back again if he averaged a double-double.

[MuMark]

Would he have to sit out a year?

Do you really think Buzz would take a guy back who quit the team 1 day before classes started and who is about to go on trial for sexual assault?

[Lennys Tap]

Oh my freakin God!

I write "I have no particular horse in that race (whether or not Buzz was shocked and disappointed) but my GUESS is he was disappointed but probably not shocked. I'm sure that if you have evidence to the fact he was shocked you'll share it with the board". Translation for those who are reading comprehension challenged = I don't know or much care whether Buzz was shocked and disappointed with Mbakwe's departure. My guess would be disappointed but probably not shocked. I then acknowledge that should you have evidence to the fact that Buzz was shocked I'm sure you'll provide it. You present evidence to the fact that he was shocked. My GUESS was wrong. End of story.

In what freakin' universe can anyone respond to this "So you're saying Buzz is a liar" and "You must be a Buzz Hater, calling him a liar like that". HUH?
It's easy to see why so many of your posts are "misinterpreted" by so many posters. If you're unable to understand simple declarative sentences maybe I and others are being too tough on you.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I think its fair to say when a player who was counted on to play a major role leaves the day before classes start any coach would be shocked and disappointed by the news.

Why is this even a subject of debate?

Absolutely.   Where it started was the implication that an undesirable was recruited into MU by a former coach.  Of course the irony is that this same undesirable was someone that the new coach didn't want leaving.

KO, TC & BW, have all recruited some bad eggs, it's part of randomness of recruiting.  Future coaches will do so also. 

The reality of it is that if a kid can play, regardless of how bad an apple he is (see Hutch), coaches often find a way to keep them on the team.  Not always, but often.  Let's put it another way, someone with talent gets a lot more chances than some stiff.   As much of a bad apple as TM was, Buzz was more than happy to have him on the roster and had some big plans for him for the season.  For some reason, there are several folks that have trouble tying this altogether. 

[Tigidal]

Another UMN transfer...  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/ncaa/05/19/minnesota.cobbs.ap/index.html?eref=si_latest

[augoman]

I apologize guys, I should have used teal on my post..., it was obviously tongue-in-cheek.

[Dawson Rental]

Bottom line is someone upstairs is looking out for MU.  First, Mbakwe leaves on his own.  Then Monterale Clark shows his true colors before Buzz has to waste a year on him, and hurt the program's reputation in the process.  Buzz is definitely good, but he also is lucky which sometimes is just as important.

[cheebs09]

We've had our fair share of bad luck as well. I'd put number one on that list the McMorrow injury in Buzz's tenure (I might be missing some other event, but it really sounded like he could have been a heck of a player). Also, the injuries to Cadougan and Otule.