Figuring We Ain't Done Yet

[MarkMiller]

Markolf was not runoff like MU players are.  He doesn't love the game and is staying at Madison. He has no desire to change schools and/or play basketball anymore. He happens to be 7 feet tall but is a lot smarter than he is a good player. 


Here we have a recruit that signed a LOI that is being reneged on by Marquette.  And Buzz is still actively trying to sign another player so another signed kid will have to go too.

Not sure how the treatment of the Markolf  is comparable.  If Bo ran off players Gavinski would've been gone in August of his freshman summer earlier than Roseboro was sent packing.

Yet here he is is returning for a 5th year gobbling up a scholly.  That would not play at Marquette these days.

Most of my MU friends have no problem with this philosophy..."it is a business" they say.  I thought we were trying educate kids.

You have absolutely no idea what Buzz Williams is communicating to his players and recruits.

I can guarantee there is no "renegging" being done by Williams with any of his players.

[butchbadger]

So Mark, if DJ Newbill and/or all the other signed recruits are qualified, but aren't on scholarship at MU next year what will you call it?

Buzz's nebulous "earn the right to be here" statement doesn't hold water when too many kids are signed unless someone is not academically qualified.

[Blackhat]

Bo has run off Markolf and his recruit Hodges.   They both got Bo'ned.  

Not surprising as Bo's need for another guard was dire and he had to get another scholarship guard on roster.  Just feel bad for Markolf. 

[shaquilvaine]

Butch, there are different ways to send messages.  Don't you think the fact that Bo was playing walk-ons time and again before Gavinski and Markoff was a passive-agressive way of sending a message... i.e. running them off or in the case of Gavinski trying to run them off?  Hell, the walk-ons even traveled with the team a few times over Ian or JP.  If that doesn't send a message, I don't know what does.  Look at how many minutes Markoff had last year and then look at the most minutes a walk-on had last year. 

Get off your mighty horse.  There is running a player off, and there is sending a message.  In the end, it truly isn't that different.  You might want to believe it is to further your elitist attitude, but Ian was run-off period. Playing him less than ten total minutes and not allowing him to travel to road games is a way of saying we don't want you here.  Ian got the message and left.  Had Bo had some stones, he could have simply told him he wasn't renewing his scholly this year.  It really isn't that different.  I don't condone the practice, but what irks me is the elitist attitude.  Bo has his way of running guys off too. 

[MarkMiller]

So Mark, if DJ Newbill and/or all the other signed recruits are qualified,but aren't on scholarshipat MU next year what will you call it?

Buzz's nebulous "earn the right to be here" statement doesn't hold water when too many kids are signed unless someone is not academically qualified.

Buzz Williams is nothing if not honest. He is upfront with recruits, with their parents, with the current players on the team, with his coaching staff, with the media, with his superiors, etc.

Despite what you want everyone to believe, there is no deception involved.

I would say the exact same thing about Bo Ryan, Rob Jeter and Brian Wardle.

[babytownfrolics]

So Mark, if DJ Newbill and/or all the other signed recruits are qualified,but aren't on scholarshipat MU next year what will you call it?

Buzz's nebulous "earn the right to be here" statement doesn't hold water when too many kids are signed unless someone is not academically qualified.

You are such a joke.  Keep it up, you're just making yourself and Badger fans look bad.

[GGGG]

So Mark, if DJ Newbill and/or all the other signed recruits are qualified,but aren't on scholarshipat MU next year what will you call it?

Buzz's nebulous "earn the right to be here" statement doesn't hold water when too many kids are signed unless someone is not academically qualified.

Butch, you may want to bow out now.  Arguing against the guy who knows more about HS basketball in the state of Wisconsin than anyone makes you look pretty foolish.

[wadefan#1]

Definite possibility of another recruit.

That would be awesome.

[Golden Avalanche]

So Mark, if DJ Newbill and/or all the other signed recruits are qualified,but aren't on scholarshipat MU next year what will you call it?

Buzz's nebulous "earn the right to be here" statement doesn't hold water when too many kids are signed unless someone is not academically qualified.

Hmmmm........I don't know.

If he mentions a recruit by name, it gets me intrigued. I'm going to say he knows something. And I'm going to say others are limiting the damage until the news comes out.

Think I'm wrong on Smith. Perhaps the above prospect is the one we will miss out on?

[GOO]

Butch has lost any credibility that he had left. Thanks Mark.

[butchbadger]

Yes Mark blew me away with the comment that his favorite team's coach is honest (in his opinion).

He did not, however, answer a simple and direct question.

I'll spoil the suspense --Newbill is not coming.

[4everwarriors]

Butch Baby,
It's wild that you know all this sheet and the rest of us "insiders" as clueless. Are you better known as Bo?

[MUfan12]

I'll spoil the suspense --Newbill is not coming.

Let's hear your source, Columbo.

[MarkMiller]

Yes Mark blew me away with the comment that his favorite team's coach is honest (in his opinion).

He did not, however, answer a simple and direct question.

I'll spoil the suspense --Newbill is not coming.

You may be right about Newbill. If you are, you have more information than the rest of us, which is curious considering your level of dislike for Marquette basketball. Wonder who your source is and if said source knows you spill your "inside" information behind an anonymous screen name all over the internet.

However, I can tell you for an absolute, rock-solid fact you are not right about Buzz Williams. He has been completely forthright with all of his players and recruits.  

[Dr. Blackheart]

Not a great year to live near the Glass House on the Rock.

• Two players arrested for theft
• The local shill prints what he is told except it is confidential information about a minor
• The top rated local recruit "unverbals" and commits to an in-state rival
• A quality student athlete suddenly loses interest and his athletic free ride--although his coach has been recruiting for his spot for months
• Another early recruit decommits based upon message board whispers
• The school petitions the conference on behalf of another school member's recruit
• The next local top recruit, who may be the best ever from the state, is awaiting some paperwork from Big Roy

Simply a stellar year for a Bo Job.

[butchbadger]

I'll ask again,

If one or more of these recruits that are signed are in good academic standing then if not reneged, what happened to the agreement? Is there another word I should have used?

Clearly this would not be the players choice to play at a prep school rather than a very high major.
For the record, I do not hate MU.  My parents are alums and I was big fan until I met and got to know Tom Crean.

My father went to MUHS, MU and Law School. Rarely misses a game or a chance to donate.  He is not a fan of what is  happening now.  He is not alone.  But as I stated most of the rest of my MU friends just want to be entertained and to see a winning team.

You can all pretend to be outraged by me pointing this out.  The fact remains that it is likely that in consecutive offseasons a signed recruit will not  see the 1st day of class. That doesn't happen at a lot of programs in all honesty.

[MarkMiller]

The answer to your question is contained in your last post.

You're a smart guy, figure it out.

[4everwarriors]

"I was big fan until I met and got to know Tom Crean."




BB, maybe you're OK after all?

[Golden Avalanche]

However, I can tell you for an absolute, rock-solid fact you are not right about Buzz Williams. He has been completely forthright with all of his players and recruits.  

Let's just say Newbill is the one who is gone. How is it being forthright with a prospect by taking a verbal commitment from him in January; taking a signed LOI from him in April; and then releasing him from the program in May?

That's an awful tough turnaround in five months for a teenager. Especially one who reportedly came in with good standing on the court and in the classroom.

[muguru]

I'll ask again,

If one or more of these recruits that are signed are in good academic standing then if not reneged, what happened to the agreement? Is there another word I should have used?

Clearly this would not be the players choice to play at a prep school rather than a very high major.For the record, I do not hate MU.  My parents are alums and I was big fan until I met and got to know Tom Crean.

My father went to MUHS, MU and Law School. Rarely misses a game or a chance to donate.  He is not a fan of what is  happening now.  He is not alone.  But as I stated most of the rest of my MU friends just want to be entertained and to see a winning team.

You can all pretend to be outraged by me pointing this out.  The fact remains that it is likely that in consecutive offseasons a signed recruit will not  see the 1st day of class. That doesn't happen at a lot of programs in all honesty.

So, what you are saying is kids NEVER choose to play at a prep school instead of attend a High major D1 school??? Kadeem Jack says Hi Butch.



Jack to South Kent; St. John's Staffing Update; Hofstra Release; Cothron to Auburn
Posted on May 4, 2010 2:52 pm
Kadeem Jack is headed to South Kent, a prep school in Connecticut, for a year before going on to college.

"I spoke to Kadeem Jack last [Monday] night and he gave me every indication that he will be attending South Kent next year," South Kent coach Kelvin Jefferson said Tuesday.

Jack himself texted various Arizona media outlets with the same news.

"Felt like I needed 2 get my skills and my body and my confidence up so when I go into college I can make a much bigger impact," Jack told Bruce Pascoe of the Arizona Daily Star.
Jack's move to prep school was first reported here on April 27.

It was a surprising development because the 6-foot-9 senior forward holds offers from Arizona, ARkansas, UConn, Miami and St. John's, yet he feels a prep year will benefit him.

"Do I think he needs to go?" Rice coach Moe Hicks asked SNY.tv last week, referring to prep school. "No, I don't. I think he's good enough to come right out of Rice High School and play at that high level. Ultimately, it's his decision. I wish him the best."

Please quit talking out of your a$$ or you will be made fool of. Sounds to me like Jack had offers from high major schools and yet opted for Prep School not because his grades are suffering, but because he wants to improve his game, and it was HIS decision. Hmmmm imagine that. Has the thought ever occured to you that Buzz is just smarter then a lot of other Coaches out there and is using this prep school route as a way of "stashing" players?? The player agrees to Prep for a year then come to MU on full scholarship the next year??

Perfectly legal. Not shady at all. I'd say it's smart, VERY smart. too bad Bo never thought of it.

[bma725]

Let's just say Newbill is the one who is gone. How is it being forthright with a prospect by taking a verbal commitment from him in January; taking a signed LOI from him in April; and then releasing him from the program in May?

That's an awful tough turnaround in five months for a teenager. Especially one who reportedly came in with good standing on the court and in the classroom.

If the kid knew it was a possiblity before signing the LOI.

It's not uncommon for coaches to say something to the effect of...we want you to come here, and if everything goes as planned we should have a scholarship available.  But if it doesn't, then we'd like you to go to prep school for a year and we'll have a scholarship for you the next year.  

Florida is trying to do that sort of thing with Kevin Noreen.  They are out of scholarships, but really want him.  So they are trying to get a kid with a 4.0GPA and 36 on his ACT to commit and go to Prep School for a year and come as part of their 2011 class.

[muguru]

Let's just say Newbill is the one who is gone. How is it being forthright with a prospect by taking a verbal commitment from him in January; taking a signed LOI from him in April; and then releasing him from the program in May?

That's an awful tough turnaround in five months for a teenager. Especially one who reportedly came in with good standing on the court and in the classroom.

How do you know the kid and his parents didn't agree to this option ahead of time?? Would that be being forthright??

[TheButlerDidIt]

How do you know the kid and his parents didn't agree to this option ahead of time?? Would that be being forthright??

Unfortunately, we probably won't find out until this time next year if/when a new LOI is signed.

I really liked all of our recruits even before the Gardner signing; things seemingly are in a fluid state of flux.

[babytownfrolics]

You can all pretend to be outraged by me pointing this out.  The fact remains that it is likely that in consecutive offseasons a signed recruit will not  see the 1st day of class. That doesn't happen at a lot of programs in all honesty.

Keep looking for patterns, even though there are none to find.  I know you're referring to the Roseboro situation.

If your theory is correct that Buzz is "running off" players, then what would Buzz have to gain by Roseboro leaving at a point when it left the team another man short and he couldn't get another scholarship player for 09-10?

[Nukem2]

I'll ask again,

If one or more of these recruits that are signed are in good academic standing then if not reneged, what happened to the agreement? Is there another word I should have used?

Clearly this would not be the players choice to play at a prep school rather than a very high major.
For the record, I do not hate MU.  My parents are alums and I was big fan until I met and got to know Tom Crean.

My father went to MUHS, MU and Law School. Rarely misses a game or a chance to donate.  He is not a fan of what is  happening now.  He is not alone.  But as I stated most of the rest of my MU friends just want to be entertained and to see a winning team.

You can all pretend to be outraged by me pointing this out.  The fact remains that it is likely that in consecutive offseasons a signed recruit will not  see the 1st day of class. That doesn't happen at a lot of programs in all honesty.

Guess you don't like Tom Crean, so what?  A lot of folks don't cotton to Bo Ryan or Roy Williams or John Calipari or Rick Pitino.  Most coaches have pretty big egos and are demanding.  Sounds like CEO's of corporations.  As far as sources go, who are they?  Kropotkin or BBFran or Abe Froman or Big Eddy Springs...?  As far as saying it is Newbill, well that sounds like a rational guess that anyopne could make.  As far as that goes, sometimes NLI's are signed to cement a relationship with guys who do end up in prep school.  If mutually agreed to, whats wrong with that.  My "sources" say that Markolf was more than gently nudged out of the UW program.