Brutal Article on DePaul Coaching Search

[Tom Crean's Tanning Bed]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/13136009/dollars-and-sense-coachhunting-ads-need-to-get-real

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/13136009/dollars-and-sense-coachhunting-ads-need-to-get-real

Does Gary Parish play a guido in his spare time?








By the way, did he say in that article that Indiana was one of the country's truly elite jobs?  This can't be right, I read here many times over that it's not.  Hmmm

[GGGG]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/13136009/dollars-and-sense-coachhunting-ads-need-to-get-real

Yep.  Absolute disaster.  Whomever they end up hiring is going to go over like a lead balloon.

[Litehouse]

The article is a little over the top, time will tell if Barbee turns out good or Lavin turns out bad.  I also wouldn't excuse Oregon so easily, depends who they eventually get.

But who would even be considered a good hire for DePaul at this point.  Scott Drew?  Has he shot it down yet?

[MUBurrow]

the Barbee thing, if true, is horrible.  particularly considering that Auburn had the same dream coach conundrum in chasing Tubby Smith. (while I will concede that Tubby obviously never jumped on the job, i do think that where there's smoke, there's fire, and tubby was in conversations of some kind).  

Assuming some sort of contact with Tubby, Auburn was presumably closer to landing Tubby than DePaul to landing Howland or Dixon. Yet they managed to get everything figured out in time to leap ahead of DePaul in the line for Barbee.  Just a clear comparative case of one school performing a better search and pursuit than another.

[Fullodds]

Ouch

[Brewtown Andy]

FWIW, here's the link to the DePaul coach listing on their website.  It's even got a link to apply online!

https://jobs-depaul.icims.com/jobs/16142/job

[LAZER]

I can't stand Parrish in general and this furthers my distaste.  He has no idea how this is gonna play out, but is going overboard because he has a "source" that said DePaul is aiming high.  Wasn't Auburn and St john's doing the same thing.  Nothing wrong with going for the best and ending up with a lesser candidate.

He aslo keeps on talking about how big the Nike pull is at Oregon, but then lists all the coaches who have passed on Oregon.

[NavinRJohnson]

By the way, did he say in that article that Indiana was one of the country's truly elite jobs?  This can't be right, I read here many times over that it's not.  Hmmm

That's funny, because I read here today that IU is a program comparable to Baylor. Can that be right? I guess IU is only an elite program when it conveniently fits an argument.

[ChicosBailBonds]

That's funny, because I read here today that IU is a program comparable to Baylor. Can that be right? I guess IU is only an elite program when it conveniently fits an argument.

My guess is most pundits will say it's an elite national program and most people here that hate Crean will says it's comparable to Butler.  This is just an educated guess, however.

[mr.MUskie]

Speaking of brutal Depaul coaching articles, this was in today's Daily Herald (suburban Chicago newspaper):

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=369430

[ChicosBailBonds]

Speaking of brutal Depaul coaching articles, this was in today's Daily Herald (suburban Chicago newspaper):

http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=369430

Can't we file that one under brutal columnists, or at the very least, brutal opinions.   Talk about painting with a broad brush.  There are almost 350 DI basketball teams, and the vast vast vast majority aren't running around cheating like this guy is talking about.  Sure there are some and there will always be some, but he's essentially saying to skirt the issues, take a chance, it's worth the risk.  What a tool

[MUBurrow]

with such a job shortage all across the country, can't we get some promising journalism major into that guy's position? itd be tough not to be better than that.

[ChicosBailBonds]

No one answered the question I posed yesterday....what would the Chicago media have done if DePaul kept the cards close to the vest and ended up hiring Tony Jones?

In my mind, DePaul is screwed either way because the nature of the Chicago media is like the New York media.  They're going to bitch and whine either way.

If they shoot for the moon and publicly do it, the media will pounce if they don't get a great hire.  If they don't show any of their cards and end up with a non-descript coach, the media will slam them for not doing enough, for not shooting for the moon.

[GOMU1104]

They really screwed the pooch on the Barbee/Rod Strickland combination. 

[RJax55]

No one answered the question I posed yesterday....what would the Chicago media have done if DePaul kept the cards close to the vest and ended up hiring Tony Jones?

Honestly, not much. DePaul barely gets any coverage here in Chicago to begin with. Its quite sad, that a Big East school has basically no presence with any of its hometown media.

If they hired Jones, you would have gotten an article or two about DePaul being cheap, not willing to commit to the Big East, that program needs more resources, etc. But, there would be no firestorm or outrage... That's how far DePaul has fallen. It would be a side story, especially with Hawks and Bulls in the playoff run and baseball season set to begin. It would barely register on the Chicago sports radar.

[Dawson Rental]

FWIW, here's the link to the DePaul coach listing on their website.  It's even got a link to apply online!

https://jobs-depaul.icims.com/jobs/16142/job

Well then, it's not DePaul's fault.  Barbee should have applied online!

[GGGG]

No one answered the question I posed yesterday....what would the Chicago media have done if DePaul kept the cards close to the vest and ended up hiring Tony Jones?

In my mind, DePaul is screwed either way because the nature of the Chicago media is like the New York media.  They're going to bitch and whine either way.

If they shoot for the moon and publicly do it, the media will pounce if they don't get a great hire.  If they don't show any of their cards and end up with a non-descript coach, the media will slam them for not doing enough, for not shooting for the moon.

I read your post and decided not to get into a debate about it.  Honestly, the negative publicity is still publicity theme doesn't fly for me.  I think if they came out with Tony Jones now, they would be a laughingstock.  If they did so without making a big deal of it, people would shrug their shoulders, give them the benefit of the doubt, and get back on the bandwagon if they win.

Instead the administration is being absolutely roasted.  No one wants to be roasted.

[Dawson Rental]

Interesting quote from the CBS article:

"It's not a coincidence that we haven't seen a comfortable and well-compensated BCS-level coach leave for anything but one of the nation's truly elite jobs (i.e., Indiana and Kentucky) since John Beilein left West Virginia for Michigan in 2007."

I believe the man is saying that Marquette had "a comfortable and well-compensated BCS-level coach", back in the day when Crean ruled the Al!

Pay the man, ...er Guido, Shirley.

[Dawson Rental]

with such a job shortage all across the country, can't we get some promising journalism major into that guy's position? itd be tough not to be better than that.

Here's the real shocker, the guy writing the article is actually the SPORTS EDITOR for the Daily Herald.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I read your post and decided not to get into a debate about it.  Honestly, the negative publicity is still publicity theme doesn't fly for me.  I think if they came out with Tony Jones now, they would be a laughingstock.  If they did so without making a big deal of it, people would shrug their shoulders, give them the benefit of the doubt, and get back on the bandwagon if they win.

Instead the administration is being absolutely roasted.  No one wants to be roasted.

Seems to me they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.  I'm happy for St. John's.  They got a high profile guy who has won at a major powerhouse school, I hope it works for them.  We'll see what DePaul does, but I tip my hat to these schools willing to go big.  If they strike out swinging, so what, they went after it which deserves a nod considering who they have had in the recent past.

[dw3dw3dw3]

That is fine thinking that way, but reality doesn't work that way.  There a finite number of qualified good fit "hot" coaches looking to move up a level (even fewer BCS coaches looking to switch).  There are more BCS level job openings than candidates to get excited about.  I would have liked to add Steve Jobs to my IT company sales staff, but I'm thinking he has better stuff to do, so instead I made a decision on hiring another high level employee I knew was in the market. If I would have waited for Steve's answer the other guy would have taken another offer.  Simple supply and demand theory doesn't support their process.

The "so what" if they strike out is the get a mid level guy that nobody is excited about and they are stuck for the next 3-4 years. That is a big "so what".

[MerrittsMustache]

Seems to me they are damned if they do and damned if they don't.  I'm happy for St. John's.  They got a high profile guy who has won at a major powerhouse school, I hope it works for them.  We'll see what DePaul does, but I tip my hat to these schools willing to go big.  If they strike out swinging, so what, they went after it which deserves a nod considering who they have had in the recent past.

Even if the plan was to aim high and bring in a big name coach, it was a mistake to say that publicly without being 100% certain that they were going to be able to bring in said big name coach. Therein lies the problem. The DePaul administration truly believed they'd lure in a big fish. Unfortunately, they were living in a fantasy land and now are venturing dangerously close to laughingstock status.

They would have been better off keeping things simple and saying that they're going to bring in a coach who is the best fit for the program and who they believe is most capable coach of returning DePaul to basketball glory. Yes, that would likely result in a collective yawn from the Chicago media but there are times when a canned, generic response is the best way to go. Plus, as long as they bring in the right guy, who cares?

If they truly want to rebuild DePaul into a contender, they'd bring in the coach who best fits into their plans, regardless of his national status. If they simply want to get attention from the media, they'd hire Pat Summit...(except she'd probably down the job).

[79Warrior]

I have said this before, the DePaul AD is a joke. no clue about how difficult a job DePAul really is.

[ChicosBailBonds]

When the program is that beat up, that far in the dumps, you have nothing to lose by DePaul to make those comments.  If the program has some stature, then obviously you don't make the comments.

They are a complete afterthought in Chicago, their fans are pissed, they want to believe that something could happen.  I'm sure that was their thinking.  They would have been killed either way by the press.


If they hire a low level coach, everyone blasts them for thinking small time.  The articles come out that they should get out of the Big East, blah blah blah.  Hell, the articles are probably already written with a { } to fill in said coach's name. 

Or they try to hit the home run.   In DePaul's case, I don't see the downside....what's going to happen, they'll lose prestige?  LOL.  They'll lose fans?  LOL.  They'll lose the Chicago media?  LOL.   

There is nothing for them to lose so why not aim big....there is zero downside because they are already absolute rock bottom