1973 and 1972 vacated decisions by Marquette

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'll have to do some research on this, but in 1973 we beat Austin Peay in a consolation game after losing to Indiana.  The victory over Austin Peay was later vacated, but I'm not sure why.

The previous year, we lost to Kentucky in the second round and then lost to Minnesota in a consolation game, that Minnesota victory was later vacated.

At first I thought it was due to it being a consolation game, but other consolation games that Marquette has played in were not vacated (1968, 1959)

Anyone know?

[4everwarriors]

I'll have to do some research on this, but in 1973 we beat Austin Peay in a consolation game after losing to Indiana.  The victory over Austin Peay was later vacated, but I'm not sure why.

The previous year, we lost to Kentucky in the second round and then lost to Minnesota in a consolation game, that Minnesota victory was later vacated.

At first I thought it was due to it being a consolation game, but other consolation games that Marquette has played in were not vacated (1968, 1959)

Anyone know?

I was at both the games you mentioned. The Austin Peay game, wth Fly Williams, was played at Vanderbilt and the Minnesota game was at Dayton. I usually can remember details, but I don't recall any controversy concerning MU and subsequent vacating fallout. Regional consolation games were routine back then.

[oldwarrior81]

Minnesota vacated their games from 1972, including the win over Marquette

[4everwarriors]

Minnesota vacated their games from 1972, including the win over Marquette

That may be, but JD implied MU vacated the games. Minnesota's wipeout was possibly connected to Musselman's thugs and the brawl with the OSU and/or issues with improper paper written by tutors, etc.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Minnesota vacated their games from 1972, including the win over Marquette

Thanks.  That would explain that game, but it wouldn't explain the Austin Peay game in 1973.  It could be that our media guide is just wrong, I'm not sure.  There is an asterisk by that Austin Peay game that says " *=victory was later vacated"

[romey]

Anything to do with our "hardship" players?  McNeill, Lucas????

Not sure why this sticks in my head, but the ABA draft I think was before the NBA draft in those days and I know Lucas was drafted by St. louis, but I don't think McNeill was drafted by the ABA.  I'm not even sure if the years match up - just throwing this out there off the top of my head as a possibility.

[Warriors4ever]

Freshmen couldn't play back then, so Lucas wasn't even on the '72 team that lost at Dayton.  I was at that game as well.

[77ncaachamps]

Hmm. Some Googling uncovered this about the 73 Tournament:
"*Austin Peay's, Long Beach State's, & Southwestern Louisiana's participation in the 1973 tournament vacated."

EDIT: Found an NCAA newsletter stating Southwestern LA's need to vacate all 3 years of their Tournament games because of violations. http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/NCAANewsArchive/1973/19730815.pdf

EDIT2: Austin Peay's infraction was they improperly certified three student-athletes.
http://web1.ncaa.org/web_files/NCAANewsArchive/1974/19741101.pdf

[dgies9156]

I'll have to do some research on this, but in 1973 we beat Austin Peay in a consolation game after losing to Indiana.  The victory over Austin Peay was later vacated, but I'm not sure why.

The previous year, we lost to Kentucky in the second round and then lost to Minnesota in a consolation game, that Minnesota victory was later vacated.

At first I thought it was due to it being a consolation game, but other consolation games that Marquette has played in were not vacated (1968, 1959)

Anyone know?

I was at the Vanderbilt hosted games against Indiana and Austin Peay (a mid-major from Clarksville, TN). Marquette has never had an NCAA violation. Austin Peay did with the Fly.

The ABA issue with Maurice Lucas surfaced in 1974, when Lucas was about ready to begin practice for his senior season. Lucas had spoken with an agent and I believe has been drafted, but did not hire an agent and did not sign a contract. Marquette was prepared to litigate against the NCAA when Lucas had a very attractive offer and signed.

McNeill went after the season and Chones left in February. Both were totally above board. Al was not liked by the NCAA but he never broke the rules.