Vander's Team Back to State

[ATWizJr]

I'm no Newbill expert, but I do know that in back to back games this season he scored 37 and 64  points. The 64 point outburst broke the Philly schoolboy record held by Wilt, I think. 

[NersEllenson]

I dont claim to be any type of insider, or scout. I just do research, ask questions, and read reports that are available to all of us.  BMA is clearly the guy to go to for the real dish.

Regarding "not being a Big East player"...I am trying to find the exact quote, but it was in an article when he committed.

I did ask someone that is heavily involved with recruiting for a high major D1 school, and he had never heard of DJ Newbill before he committed to MU.

Again, I have not seen him play, just going off of what I read/was told. Others have seen him play and can provide more input. In the end...Buzz thinks he is worth a scholarship, who am I to argue?

What I do take exception the post by bilsu:

All I want to hear from him is an explanation and some back up.

Maybe it is speaking out of turn, but I think Bilsu's point that playing ball in Philly is likely to be better competition than Madison - was his justification.  BMA is obviously the best source of info on recruits, but I do recall it being said, perhaps by Dodds or Mark Miller, that Newbill was the 3rd best player at MU's elite camp this past summer - after Tarik Black and Vander Blue (if my memory serves me correctly on the players ahead of him) - but it was definitley reported that he was the 3rd, (or 4th best player )at MU's elite camp.  That is a 100% reported fact

[GOMU1104]

What I am asking for, is an explanation why he knows (thinks) Newbill is "better than Blue" and "more skilled than Blue"

If he has seen both play multiple times...Fine, I will trust him
If he was at the Elite Camp...Fine, I will trust him

Other than that, I am not sure as to what he can base those statements on.

[Golden Avalanche]

Wow.  Provide some evidence.

Funny.

You wrote off Jamail Jones earlier in the week with no explanation. This man expresses his opinion and you need evidence.

I always love the "I'm closer to the program and know more then you" posts. I've realized lately that this stuff is petty and assholic.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Maybe it is speaking out of turn, but I think Bilsu's point that playing ball in Philly is likely to be better competition than Madison - was his justification.  BMA is obviously the best source of info on recruits, but I do recall it being said, perhaps by Dodds or Mark Miller, that Newbill was the 3rd best player at MU's elite camp this past summer - after Tarik Black and Vander Blue (if my memory serves me correctly on the players ahead of him) - but it was definitley reported that he was the 3rd, (or 4th best player )at MU's elite camp.  That is a 100% reported fact

A 100% reported fact is someone's opinion about who was 3rd (or 4th best)?   

[NersEllenson]

A 100% reported fact is someone's opinion about who was 3rd (or 4th best)?   

Nice  Let's put it this way, Newbill was said to be either the 3rd or 4th best player at the Elite Camp (I just can't remember with 100% certainty if it was 3rd or 4th), but am 100% sure the opinion of either Dodds or Mark Miller was that Newbill was the 3rd or 4th best player there.

[GOMU1104]

Funny.

You wrote off Jamail Jones earlier in the week with no explanation. This man expresses his opinion and you need evidence.

I always love the "I'm closer to the program and know more then you" posts. I've realized lately that this stuff is petty and assholic.

What I said about Jones wast as outlandish as what he said about Blue/Newbill.  I think Jones is purely a shooter right now, and doesnt create well enough at this point. To go with that...I dont think there will be alot of minutes available for him to begin with.

I'm not close to the program whatsoever. I just gather background before saying things.

[4everwarriors]

Well, not always.  My alma mater, St. Bonaventure, has moved from Division 11 all the way up to Division 4 in football because we've won so many CIF titles in the last 10 years.  This is despite having an enrollment of 650, we are playing schools 5 or 6 times bigger than us.

Well if we're talking alma maters here, did you graduate or just attend? I, mean, it makes a difference. Just sayin'.

[BCHoopster]

Well if we're talking alma maters here, did you graduate or just attend? I, mean, it makes a difference. Just sayin'.

Blue will be in the mix for playing time and I have been told by a few people that Buzz basically told Blue
he would start next year.  I made a bet that he will not, will see on that.  The other freshman will not see
much playing time, if they do, it would be a pleasant surprise.  Reverse order on the team for PT time, maybe
Mbao, Newbill, Jones, Smith last 4.  The Top 9 will be DJO, Butler, Buycks, CAdougan, Crowder, Otule, Blue,
Fulce, Williams.  The 3 scholarships for the 2011 will be very important as you lose 3 out of that group.  MU
can field a team of  Otule, Crowder, Blue, DJO and Cadougan.  Not bad, the 3 frosh will be needed and at least
1 top recruit would be nice.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Well if we're talking alma maters here, did you graduate or just attend? I, mean, it makes a difference. Just sayin'.

Oh, that's right....I forgot the Lenny postulate.  I think he also said you can't have multiple alma maters, despite what the definition says.  LOL

For the record, yes I graduated from there with my lovely high school degree.

[bilsu]

For me it is a gut feeling. I think Blue has had a disappointing senior season, while it appears Newbill is on the rise.

[4everwarriors]

Everybody take a chill pill. Vander starts by BE season. Newbill can't carry his jockstrap.

[GGGG]

Regarding Vander...

People need to understand that Memorial lost the two time state player of the year and has very little inside presence.  Junior Lomomba was hurt a good portion of the year.  Yet in spite of this, Memorial finished tied for first in the Big 8 (which has ten teams), a conference that many believe is the best in the state this year.  (6 regional champions...two sectional champions).  This is big time high school basketball, and teams were throwing everything into stopping Vander.

IMO, this is only going to make him better once he gets to college.

[GGGG]

Not sure why the WIAA permits private schools to compete at sub-Division 1 levels. Cath Mem has played and beaten Division 1 teams including Arrowhead. I have no problem with Cath Mem bringing in players from all over, but at least play the big boys then (like MUHS & Pius). A CM vs. MUHS matchup would be great.

There are proposals out there that would force privates to play up a division, but that isn't going to happen.