MU is the 5th BE team and should be as far as the NCAA tourney...

[M@RQUETTEW@RRIORS]

I find it interesting a team like UCONN is still considered a possible NCAA tournament team, yet MU is not considered a lock.  MU finished 5th in the BE, UCONN finished 12th and MU beat UCONN in their GYM.  Furhtermore, other than ND MU beat every team behind them in the standings(some at their place) that they played and lost to every team above them in the standings.  This IMO should lock them in as the 5th best team in the BE.  Its every team for goodness sake.  Also when they put up a teams tournament resume they reference Kenpom or RPI or some other computer ranking along with good wins, bad losses etc.  They than almost always reference SOS as well.  THIS IS COMPLETE BS.  SOS is already considered in Kenpom, RPI and all the computer rankings.  Why list it again?   

[GGGG]

I find it interesting a team like UCONN is still considered a possible NCAA tournament team, yet MU is not considered a lock.  MU finished 5th in the BE, UCONN finished 12th and MU beat UCONN in their GYM.  Furhtermore, other than ND MU beat every team behind them in the standings(some at their place) that they played and lost to every team above them in the standings. 

Well, except for that whole DePaul thing of course.

MU's problem is that they have very few big wins.  Xavier and Georgetown I guess...but that's about it.  And those two are countered by two bad losses...De Paul and NC State.

Conference standings really aren't that relevant.  What is relevant is the schedule they played, and how they performed against that schedule.  And MU's schedule was pretty soft.

[M@RQUETTEW@RRIORS]

Well, except for that whole DePaul thing of course.

MU's problem is that they have very few big wins.  Xavier and Georgetown I guess...but that's about it.  And those two are countered by two bad losses...De Paul and NC State.

Conference standings really aren't that relevant.  What is relevant is the schedule they played, and how they performed against that schedule.  And MU's schedule was pretty soft.

But you have to compare them to the teams that are leapfrogging them from behind them in the standings.  Are you saying none of these teams had bad losses?  When you beat all of them that is a pretty significant factor.  Dont you think?  By definition, a team being considered for a bid should be a quality win.  Its ridiculous to say a team should get a bid ahead of us based on good wins or bad losses when we beat said team.  That has to be considered a quality win.  Now repeat that logic a few times for Louisville, Georgetown, and UCONN at least.  The most ludicrous part of all of this is the people that say MU is not in only mention NCST and Depaul but leave out the rest.

For example Louisville lost to MU by 20
lost to charlotte(76 rpi)
lost to western carolina(119 rpi)
lost to seton hall and stt johns an georgetown teams that MU beat

they beat syracuse 2x but thatas about it

[NavinRJohnson]

Which is why they ARE in the NCAA Tourmanemnt.

[gumbyandpokey]

But you have to compare them to the teams that are leapfrogging them from behind them in the standings.  Are you saying none of these teams had bad losses?  When you beat all of them that is a pretty significant factor.  Dont you think?  By definition, a team being considered for a bid should be a quality win.  Its ridiculous to say a team should get a bid ahead of us based on good wins or bad losses when we beat said team.  That has to be considered a quality win.  Now repeat that logic a few times for Louisville, Georgetown, and UCONN at least.  The most ludicrous part of all of this is the people that say MU is not in only mention NCST and Depaul but leave out the rest.

For example Louisville lost to MU by 20
lost to charlotte(76 rpi)
lost to western carolina(119 rpi)
lost to seton hall and stt johns an georgetown teams that MU beat



they beat syracuse 2x but thatas about it

One of the "experts" was saying that the NCAA likes teams that have the potential to make a deep run.  Well, if you can beat a top five team twice like Louisville, then you have the potential for a nice run.  MU didn't beat any team of note and have zero chance of a deep tourney run.  And MU's bad losses are a heck of a lot more noteworthy than their "good wins".

[M@RQUETTEW@RRIORS]

One of the "experts" was saying that the NCAA likes teams that have the potential to make a deep run.  Well, if you can beat a top five team twice like Louisville, then you have the potential for a nice run.  MU didn't beat any team of note and have zero chance of a deep tourney run.  And MU's bad losses are a heck of a lot more noteworthy than their "good wins".

That logic would reduce the entire tournament to what, 20 teams?  How many teams have a legit shot at going deep(final 8) in the tournament.  So many of these arguments to keep MU out would limit the tournament to under 30 teams.

[ohiomarqfan]

If MU loses today and ND, Louisville and G-town all win, then all 3 will be seeded higher in the NCAA's regardless of our 5th place finish in the regular season. Especially if they go on to win another game against Pitt-Nova-Cuse-WV.  

[OhioGoldenEagle]

The reason that Lunardi continues to have them on the bubble is because they have beaten a number of teams that will be highly seeded in the NCAA.  The committee won't solely look at a team's record, when determining whether or not they deserve an at large.  Their goal is to put the "best" teams in the tournament.  In spite of UConn's incredible underachievement this year, they have oodles of talent and are capable of beating any team in college basketball on any given day......which is why Lunardi struggles to completely give them the boot (which is garbage IMO).

[GGGG]

But you have to compare them to the teams that are leapfrogging them from behind them in the standings.  Are you saying none of these teams had bad losses?  When you beat all of them that is a pretty significant factor.  Dont you think?  By definition, a team being considered for a bid should be a quality win.  Its ridiculous to say a team should get a bid ahead of us based on good wins or bad losses when we beat said team.  That has to be considered a quality win.  Now repeat that logic a few times for Louisville, Georgetown, and UCONN at least.  The most ludicrous part of all of this is the people that say MU is not in only mention NCST and Depaul but leave out the rest.

I don't disagree with you, I'm just saying that conference standings are irrelevant.  They look at each team's total body of work...not where they finished in the conference.

EDIT:  We also had a relatively easy conference schedule.  We played three teams twice...one very good (Nova), but the other two were putrid (De Paul and Providence).  Furthermore, of the top nine teams in the conference, we had six games at home (USF, ND, Georgetown, Louisville, Pitt, Nova) and only three on the road (Nova, Pitt, WVU).