Why isn't Thompson on the hot seat?

[ErickJD08]

Georgetown gets talent every season and they are never great.  I know Freeman was out and they aren't deep but why aren't they deep.  They rarely go deep in the tourney.  I don't understand how he is not on the hot seat. 

Oh yeah, I have no clue how they destroyed Duke.

[Hards Alumni]

Why should he be on the hot seat?

Is this a serious thread?

[ErickJD08]

Why should he be on the hot seat?

Is this a serious thread?

What have they done?

[MHMUFAN]

One thing i wil say...is, at least recently, they start out very strong and then fade badly at the end of the season.

[bma725]

I don't understand how he is not on the hot seat. 

Then you don't understand the politics of the situation.  Being the son of John Thompson gets you a lot of leeway at GTown.  It would take an incident like his brother had at Ball State to get him fired....and even then I have my doubts.

Lots of times, keeping your job has nothing to do with wins and losses.

[Hards Alumni]

Then you don't understand the politics of the situation.  Being the son of John Thompson gets you a lot of leeway at GTown.  It would take an incident like his brother had at Ball State to get him fired....and even then I have my doubts.

Lots of times, keeping your job has nothing to do with wins and losses.

This is why I asked if the thread was serious.  As long as he keeps the program winning and getting in the tourney his job is safe as can be.

[Badgerhater]

04-05   19-13  NIT
05-06   23-10 NCAA (32) Loses of Florida
06-07   30-7  Final Four
07-08   28-6  NCAA (32)  Loses to Davidson
08-09   16-15  NIT
09-10   19-9 so far

[Badgerhater]

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[ErickJD08]

This is why I asked if the thread was serious.  As long as he keeps the program winning and getting in the tourney his job is safe as can be.

They didn't make the tourney last year and they had like three or four 5 star recruits.  And they started the season in the top 10.

[swimmer]

Then you don't understand the politics of the situation.  Being the son of John Thompson gets you a lot of leeway at GTown.  It would take an incident like his brother had at Ball State to get him fired....and even then I have my doubts.

Lots of times, keeping your job has nothing to do with wins and losses.

And this is exactly why hiring a legacy can get you in trouble.  Mediocrity becomes acceptable in the present to pay tribute to the past.  That said, to expect more success than Georgetown has had under Thompson is over the top.  He fields a competitive team pretty much every year, and from outward appearances his players are good representatives of the university.

[Brewtown Andy]

I'm guessing that the Final Four is earning him some equity still.

[ErickJD08]

04-05   19-13  NIT
05-06   23-10 NCAA (32) Loses of Florida
06-07   30-7  Final Four
07-08   28-6  NCAA (32)  Loses to Davidson
08-09   16-15  NIT
09-10   19-9 so far

This is my point.  This is not good.  Georgetown is about the third best recruiting team in the Big East.  They definitely have to talent to be tourney favorites every year.

[CTWarrior]

This is my point.  This is not good.  Georgetown is about the third best recruiting team in the Big East.  They definitely have to talent to be tourney favorites every year.

If they're the third best recruiting team, that's a reason for keeping him, isn't it?  Since college coaches are, in essence, the general manager and the coach, you can't penalize a guy for bringing in good players.  College coaches are ultimately what their records say they are.  They are better now than they were at the end of his father's reign and in the interim before he was hired.

If you were a Georgetown fan would you be happier if they brought in a great coach who didn't recruit as well but had the same results?  Probably not.

Even if he wasn't a legacy, I don't see why he'd be in the hot seat.

[NavinRJohnson]

What have they done?

Well, the back to back Big East Titles a couple years ago, coupled with a BET championship might be a good place to start.

A Final Four in 2007 surrounded by two NCAA apperances in 06 and 08. In '06 they were a 7 seed that lost to 3 seed Florida, and in '08 they were a 2 seed that was upset by Davidson (who alos beat 3 seed Wisconsin, and came this close against 1 seed Kansas) in the second round.

Last year in a down year, they went to the NIT. This year they will (in all liklihood) be back in the NCAA.

Why on earth would he be on the hot seat?

[NavinRJohnson]

This is my point.  This is not good.  Georgetown is about the third best recruiting team in the Big East.  They definitely have to talent to be tourney favorites every year.

Its also why your point is silly. He should be penalized for being able to recruit? How many teams have had a better last 5-6 years than they have? Obviously there are some, but I assure you there aren't many. Looking strictly at the Big East you could say Pittsburgh, and perhaps Villanova and Louisville. Should Rick Pitino be on the hot seat too?

[ErickJD08]

Well, the back to back Big East Titles a couple years ago, coupled with a BET championship might be a good place to start.

A Final Four in 2007 surrounded by two NCAA apperances in 06 and 08. In '06 they were a 7 seed that lost to 3 seed Florida, and in '08 they were a 2 seed that was upset by Davidson (who alos beat 3 seed Wisconsin, and came this close against 1 seed Kansas) in the second round.

Last year in a down year, they went to the NIT. This year they will (in all liklihood) be back in the NCAA.

Why on earth would he be on the hot seat?

Why on earth would that team be considered a down year?  That team had great talent that were upper classmen.  And there is a chance that they won't make the tourney this year too.  

And don't get me wrong, recruiting is extremely important but players are not stupid.  If you are missing the tourney, they will start looking in other directions.

[2TimeWarrior]

I'm guessing that the Final Four is earning him some equity still.

Hey, why not?  Tom Crean is still living off a final four that is 4 years older than GTown's last appearance.

I'm really not trying to hijack this thread...I think it is a valid point.

[ErickJD08]

Its also why your point is silly. He should be penalized for being able to recruit? How many teams have had a better last 5-6 years than they have? Obviously there are some, but I assure you there aren't many. Looking strictly at the Big East you could say Pittsburgh, and perhaps Villanova and Louisville. Should Rick Pitino be on the hot seat too?

He shouldn't be penalized for being able to recruit.  But if you can recruit, going to the NIT is unacceptable ESPECIALLY when you started the season in the top ten.

As for Rick, its different because first and foremost, he has the hardware.  Also, he lost some really good players from last season and last I checked, they still have a better conference record than Georgetown.

[NavinRJohnson]

As for Rick, its different because first and foremost, he has the hardware.  Also, he lost some really good players from last season and last I checked, they still have a better conference record than Georgetown.

Exactly what hardware is that? The National Title he won at Kentucky 14 years ago? He has been at Louisville 3 years longer than JT3 has been at GU, and has exactly the same number of FF appearances, and 1 fewer Big East Title, and 1 fewer Big East Tournament title to show for it. UL certainly is no lock for the tournament either. If MU wins  tonight, using your logic, shouldn't Pitino's seat get hot?

But if you can recruit, going to the NIT is unacceptable ESPECIALLY when you started the season in the top ten.

Attention Jim Calhoun, Roy Williams, Billy Donovan, Ben Howland...ErikJD08 says you are on the clock. Good grief.

[lab_warrior]

They didn't make the tourney last year and they had like three or four 5 star recruits.  And they started the season in the top 10.

Using that logic, Roy Williams should be fired/on the hot seat at UNC.

[MuMark]

"Attention Jim Calhoun, Roy Williams, Billy Donovan, Ben Howland...ErikJD08 says you are on the clock. Good grief."

lol.....Don't forget Boeheim missed the tourny 2 years in a row not too long ago.......oh the horror.

Thad Matta missed the year after his final 4 run.

[Badgerhater]

The key question to consider with regard to changing coaches is will the new guy be better than the old guy?

JTIII is no coaching savant, but in my opinion he is in the upper third to quarter of the talent pool.  Who would you get that can come in immediately and make a significant impact with the players that JTIII recruited?   GU is not going to fire him and bring in the next "hot" assistant waiting to get his shot and they also are not going to fire him to bring in the young coach from this year's Cinderella Sweet 16 mid-major.  That leaves GU with those currently not in the business and those presently coaching other high-major programs.  In that case, it costs a lot of money to fire GTIII and buy out someone else.  Such a move, if the wrong guy is brought in, may trigger the mass exodus of that talent and render GU to the bottom of the BE for a few years.

[ErickJD08]

Exactly what hardware is that? The National Title he won at Kentucky 14 years ago? He has been at Louisville 3 years longer than JT3 has been at GU, and has exactly the same number of FF appearances, and 1 fewer Big East Title, and 1 fewer Big East Tournament title to show for it. UL certainly is no lock for the tournament either. If MU wins  tonight, using your logic, shouldn't Pitino's seat get hot?

Attention Jim Calhoun, Roy Williams, Billy Donovan, Ben Howland...ErikJD08 says you are on the clock. Good grief.

Wow... where do I start?  Yes, National Title is a better than a Final Four appearance.  UL lost some quality players from last year.  If they go to NIT, I would understand but most UL fans would see this season as a let down.  And if Pitino produces back to back NIT seasons, I will say that fans will start scratching their heads.  

As for Roy Williams, HE JUST WON THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.  I don't think I have to explain the difference between Thompson and Roy.  Also, if they look like garbage next season, people will start to chatter because UNC is an elite school and it totally is a "what have you done for me lately" environment.  

Jim Calhoun... again, he is a champion.  They had a great season last year and I think people are ok with a let down season every now and then.  And he was sick for part of conference play.  Again, NIT appearance is a disappointment and back to back would be a major let down.

Florida and Billy... again, he is a champion BACK TO BACK.  Its a pretty amazing accomplishment especially for a school that cares 10x more about football than basketball.  As long as FL is decent, Billy's job is safe.  FL's basketball program is not UNC, UL, or Georgetown.  Its like FSU, ND, or LSU.  If you make the tourney every now and then, everyone will be happy.

As for Howland, he has back to back to back PAC 10 titles and Final Four runs.  Big difference with Thompson.  Again though, its an elite basketball program and it is a "what have you done for me lately" environment.  If they are complete garbage next season, he will feel some heat.

Thompson is about to go back to back NIT appearances.  For the talent he gets, that is not acceptable and most Georgetown fans would probably agree.

[ErickJD08]

"Attention Jim Calhoun, Roy Williams, Billy Donovan, Ben Howland...ErikJD08 says you are on the clock. Good grief."

lol.....Don't forget Boeheim missed the tourny 2 years in a row not too long ago.......oh the horror.

Thad Matta missed the year after his final 4 run.

He won a national title.  Big Difference.  And guess what, he took two years to rebuild, but guess what, he has the top team in the country.  I would take that.

[GOMU1104]

Thompson is about to go back to back NIT appearances.  For the talent he gets, that is not acceptable and most Georgetown fans would probably agree.

You are an idiot