[Rosiak's Blog] Catching up on D.J. Newbill

[PGsHeroes32]

Hayward may be the star leaving at the end of this year but boy is this team in good hands. We keep packing on recruits and good ones at that. It seems like we are going to have alot of players though. Dont only hayward acker and cublian leave? I know we still have to focus on this year but what will our roster look like next year? Who gets PT?

[GGGG]

Wow---I'm sure DJ, Jerel and Wes would be pleased to hear that they busted their asses for four years, represented the University with class and won a heck of a lot of games.....but didn't accomplish anything.

If noise in the NCAA's is "the only thing that matters in the end", that's pretty sad. I love it when the program is successful and the Final Four run was truly one of the most exciting times in my life, but I'd much rather have a solid program with kids that graduate and represent themselves and the school well than have a program that embarrased me as an alum despite making noise in the NCAA's.

To say that they accomplished nothing is really not fair.  However, if you would have been told after their freshman year that they never would go beyond the 2nd round of the tournament, you would have been disappointed.

[gumbyandpokey]

gumbyandpokey back trolling, trying to find the dark cloud behind every silver lining, hating it simply because MU does it. 

Nope, I'm just the realistic cloud providing some balance to a coach's praising of his player.  Do you really think a coach will give an accurate assessment of one of his guys?  Wait until DJ gets on the court and proves he is a legit Big East player to get excited.

[StillWarriors]

To say that they accomplished nothing is really not fair.  However, if you would have been told after their freshman year that they never would go beyond the 2nd round of the tournament, you would have been disappointed.

Of course, but the post I was responding to went way beyond that. Given the injuries that greatly impacted two of the potential post-season runs, I don't consider it a failure on the part of DJ, Jerel and Wes that they didn't go further. Being left short handed as far as a supporting cast didn't help either.

[GoldenWarrior]

Video of him before his 64 point performance...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kQQ1NE3u2Q

Cracks me up when he talks about the competition and having "heard they are pretty good" before he goes and drops 64 on them, lol  Just made me laugh

Wish it actually covered some of his game though 

[MUrugger]

I do say, it has been some time since we heard from Mr. Cheerie.

Badger troll or otherwise G & P is certainly a lifetime candidate for this board's most miserable prognosticator of doom...I've been meaning to pass along my condolences and offer a moment of silence for Gumby and Pokey originator and cartoonist, Art Clokey who passed last month at 88.  Seems as a student at USC in the early 1950s the characters grew out of a student production Clokey was in called "Gumbasia".  Far out.  G & P made their TV debut on the Howdy Doody Show. Cute story; you must be heartbroken. 

The since '83 supporter may be seeing the best collection of talent on paper that comes to my mind.  Buzz has to be the best recruiter since Al.

[Tugg Speedman]

I really hope Newbill works out ... but the comments about him sounds an awful lot like the last PA recruit we had - Roseboro.  He was so good that Buzz told him to go somewhere else.

Not that I'm saying Newbill is a bust but I would expect EVERY HS coach says the same thing about his best player. 

According to their HS coach, their are about a 1,000 D1 players in Philly alone.  Of these, about 375 are the best player in the city. 

[Pakuni]

I really hope Newbill works out ... but the comments about him sounds an awful lot like the last PA recruit we had - Roseboro.  He was so good that Buzz told him to go somewhere else.

Not that I'm saying Newbill is a bust but I would expect EVERY HS coach says the same thing about his best player. 

According to their HS coach, their are about a 1,000 D1 players in Philly alone.  Of these, about 375 are the best player in the city. 

Huh?
Nobody ever called Roseboro the best player in Philly, or anything remotely close to it.
Nor, that I recall, was he called a versatile guard.
Or a kid who skipped AAU play to work out in the gym.
Or an inner-city kid.
Or a cross between Mardy Collins, Aaron McKie and Cuttino Mobley.
Or a kid who averaged 27 ppg.

But other than that, this sounds exactly like what was said about Roseboro.

[PGsHeroes32]

Wasnt Rosboro a white fire crotch? Yeah the similarities arnt really there.

[Bob "Big Daddy" Wild]

Huh?
Nobody ever called Roseboro the best player in Philly, or anything remotely close to it.
Nor, that I recall, was he called a versatile guard.
Or a kid who skipped AAU play to work out in the gym.
Or an inner-city kid.
Or a cross between Mardy Collins, Aaron McKie and Cuttino Mobley.
Or a kid who averaged 27 ppg.

But other than that, this sounds exactly like what was said about Roseboro.

+1 Pakuni.

I believe Brett was billed as the best player in Quakertown.  I know that got me all hot and bothered.

To HaywardsHeroes32:
We prefer ginger.

[Bob "Big Daddy" Wild]

Nope, I'm just the realistic cloud providing some balance to a coach's praising of his player.  Do you really think a coach will give an accurate assessment of one of his guys?  Wait until DJ gets on the court and proves he is a legit Big East player to get excited.

Thanks Gumby,

Once I figure out how to change my screen name, I have what my new one will be:

Realistic Cloud

[Tugg Speedman]

Huh?
Nobody ever called Roseboro the best player in Philly, or anything remotely close to it.
Nor, that I recall, was he called a versatile guard.
Or a kid who skipped AAU play to work out in the gym.
Or an inner-city kid.
Or a cross between Mardy Collins, Aaron McKie and Cuttino Mobley.
Or a kid who averaged 27 ppg.

But other than that, this sounds exactly like what was said about Roseboro.

You analysis is WAAAYY to anal ... told me more about you than I cared to know, and possibly your upbringing.

You miss my point ... I don't put much stock in Newbill's HS coach.   All HS coaches say glowing things about their players.

[Pakuni]

You analysis is WAAAYY to anal ... told me more about you than I cared to know, and possibly your upbringing.

You miss my point ... I don't put much stock in Newbill's HS coach.   All HS coaches say glowing things about their players.

OK, I'll just assume that when it comes to other dudes, you're an expert on all things anal.

[4everwarriors]

There you guys go again. Newbill hasn't even filled out his MU jockstrap yet and the cats on this board are flying off at the handle.

[Golden Avalanche]

I really hope Newbill works out ... but the comments about him sounds an awful lot like the last PA recruit we had - Roseboro.  He was so good that Buzz told him to go somewhere else.

Not that I'm saying Newbill is a bust but I would expect EVERY HS coach says the same thing about his best player. 

According to their HS coach, their are about a 1,000 D1 players in Philly alone.  Of these, about 375 are the best player in the city. 

I don't think you could be more wrong.

Roseboro's coach was selling him because in that part of Penn. they simply don't produce talent. Buzz fucked up and the coach knew it so he spent his time puffing the kid up. The coach was just geeked Marquette offered one of his kids. Was stunned it happened.

You don't lead Philly in scoring without talent. You don't survive in the Philly public league without talent. Yes, every coach is going to tout their kid but it seemed to me Laws spent more time puffing up Newbill off the court then his ability.

I'm not writing Newbill will be all-Big East but to try and connect him to Roseboro, with the state they play in being their only connection, seems a wild stretch by any criteria.

[WxWarrior]

Wasnt Rosboro a white fire crotch? Yeah the similarities arnt really there.

Is there any other kind?

[GGGG]

Guys...drawing comparisons between Roseboro and Newbill are silly.  It is like drawing comparisons between a guy playing at Burlington High School and the Milwaukee City League.  Yeah, they may be in the same state, but that's pretty much all they have in common when it comes to the level of basketball they consistently play against.

[Tugg Speedman]

I don't think you could be more wrong.

Roseboro's coach was selling him because in that part of Penn. they simply don't produce talent. Buzz fracked up and the coach knew it so he spent his time puffing the kid up. The coach was just geeked Marquette offered one of his kids. Was stunned it happened.

You don't lead Philly in scoring without talent. You don't survive in the Philly public league without talent. Yes, every coach is going to tout their kid but it seemed to me Laws spent more time puffing up Newbill off the court then his ability.

I'm not writing Newbill will be all-Big East but to try and connect him to Roseboro, with the state they play in being their only connection, seems a wild stretch by any criteria.

Did your you mother make you sit on the potty for hours on end too?

All I said was I don't put much stock in a HS coach touting his own player.  I remember Roseboro's coach gushing about a year ago as well.  That's it, no other comparsions are necessary.

Since you disagree with me, I'll put you down for buying everything a HS coach says about his player.

[NersEllenson]

For those concerned about who "offered" this kid a scholarship - I think it is very telling that Huggins and WVU were after him.  Huggins doesn't miss on many recruits.  I fully trust that this kid can play, and I wouldn't surprise me to see him push Vander for PT.  Ultimately Vander and Newbill very well could be each other's ticket to a career in pro basketball - as they will go at each other in practice day in, day out..and that only makes you better. 

Keep in mind IWB rated Newbill as the 4th best player at the MU Camp, just behind Blue.  Vander's got the hype, but Newbill could be the surprise of next year's class.  I like a kid who scores 27/game in Philadelphia Inner City League.  The Roseboro comparisons are RIDICULOUS.

[kmwtrucks]

I think that Buzz has a very good Eye for talent.  His Mistake was not watching Brett at all and moving to quickly to get him to sign in the early period.  I think he learned from his mistake, not saying he will never make a mistake again, but I doubt that we will question if DJN belongs in the Big East.

[Josey Wales]

I hope he grows two more inches so he can play some center for us.

[4everwarriors]

He may be playing center at his present height.

[tower912]

Reading Roseboro's coach's statement now, it looks like the young man had trouble dealing with adversity and frustration in high school.   Worked hard, but was considered a D2/low D1 prospect until he blew up at some camps and tournaments.   Then his senior year stats were not the best.    The best player in Quakertown and this coach's first D1 prospect.   Newbill is leading Philadelphia in scoring.   Roseboro barely let Quakertown.    EWill's coach said he was going to have trouble guarding the wing, because he had EWill stand under the basket and the rest of the team funnel their guys to him.   So I would argue that their coaches, while being positive about their guys, also telegraphed the trouble their guys would have at MU.  Based on these, re-read Newbill's coach's comments, and see what isn't glowing or what isn't said.   Of course, this guy has worked with high end talent before, and there is always the outside chance he is telling the truth.   

[NYWarrior]

Reading Roseboro's coach's statement now, it looks like the young man had trouble dealing with adversity and frustration in high school.   Worked hard, but was considered a D2/low D1 prospect until he blew up at some camps and tournaments.   Then his senior year stats were not the best.    The best player in Quakertown and this coach's first D1 prospect.   Newbill is leading Philadelphia in scoring.   Roseboro barely let Quakertown.    EWill's coach said he was going to have trouble guarding the wing, because he had EWill stand under the basket and the rest of the team funnel their guys to him.   So I would argue that their coaches, while being positive about their guys, also telegraphed the trouble their guys would have at MU.  Based on these, re-read Newbill's coach's comments, and see what isn't glowing or what isn't said.   Of course, this guy has worked with high end talent before, and there is always the outside chance he is telling the truth.   

+1

[tower912]

So, negatives I can glean from his coach.   Left for a year over lack of playing time.  7 steals and assists per game, but nothing about his man to man defense.   Will grab a defensive board and go end to end.   Ball hog?    How much has he played against high major competition, since he never really played a lot of AAU?    Why the late SAT?    Is that really the only reason we weren't fighting more teams to get this guy?       These are really finely split hairs.   We will have to wait and see.