Kevin O'Neill

[ChicosBailBonds]

At least he drinks ale and chases tail...

Yup, that's all fine and great.  We all did it when we were single.....it just gets a little murky when you're the highest paid employee of a Catholic university and some of the tail you are chasing is currently matriculating at the same university (I'll leave out the rest of the details but).  It's a crazy sort of thing that society frowns upon....go figure.

I am glad he told Eford, Shaw and Abrahms to stay at MU.  We got a NIT out of it the next year.

[4everwarriors]

O'Neil was the hot coach the year of the S16. Having beaten Kentucky sealed the deal with Tennessee. Not  since the Bernie and Ernie show, did UTenn have that much success. Unfortunately for KO, the men's BB coaching job is the third option behind football and broad's basketball.
That's why the job Bruce has done is so remarkable. Hot ticket now and solid winning program. Of course, Pearl makes it fun with his style and energy, plus he's a great salesman.

[NersEllenson]

I am glad he told Eford, Shaw and Abrahms to stay at MU.  We got a NIT out of it the next year.

Try McCaskill, Crawford, Pieper and Hutchins too...It is unreal how big of man-crush you have on all things Tom Crean.  I don't hate TC by any means and can appreciate what he did at MU - but Chicos, you are rock hard for the guy.  Why?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Try McCaskill, Crawford, Pieper and Hutchins too...It is unreal how big of man-crush you have on all things Tom Crean.  I don't hate TC by any means and can appreciate what he did at MU - but Chicos, you are rock hard for the guy.  Why?

Nope, no man crush.  I do appreciate the 2nd best run of any MU coach in our history, however.  I do admit that.

[smellofhotbeeftips]

That's why the job Bruce has done is so remarkable. Hot ticket now and solid winning program. Of course, Pearl makes it fun with his style and energy, plus he's a great salesman.

Let's face it. Bruce Pearl, like KO, has a taste for the ladies. Following in the musky footsteps of his insatiable predecessor, Pearl has ditched Wife V1.0 and found solace and succor in the arms, legs and lips of those delectable southern belles. These are powerful men, men of vigor, and men of gargantuan appetites. They cannot be expected to be satisifed by just one woman. No, men such as these need to cut a fresh slice often and with tremendous relish. Bruce was only getting started at UWM. He has hit full stride in the moist folds of Knoxville.

[muhoosier260]

she's throwing up the "O"

[smellofhotbeeftips]

she's throwing up the "O"

That's KO slipping her the goose from behind. If you look closely you will see Bob Dukiet standing off in the bushes with a derringer in his hand.

[thanooj]

great thread. 
KO was great.  And man could he swear.  I got to see a few practices and man would he lay into Logterman.  Like three or four minutes of F-bombs, following him up and down the old gym.  I had never heard someone talk like that, except Yosemete Sam!

And man, beating kentucky was frickin' sweet.  KO talked to Lute and Lute said give Tony Miller the ball and have him dribble right at kentucky's bigs.  What press?  TM broke it.

I was at Hags with KO right befrore he took that job and the students were raggin' him on and on about "Why did you even play Mac?  You should have started McCaskill.  Your an idiot.  Big mac sucks."  KO turned around and told them all that next year they would miss mac more than any other player.  "You guys will wish I had redshirted him."

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

They are probably both A-holes with big egos (from all reports).

I'd probably rather hang out with KO because it would be an experience. I bet he's a fun guy.

I'd rather have TC as a coach because he won a lot of games and represented MU well.

[MR.HAYWARD]

Try McCaskill, Crawford, Pieper and Hutchins too...It is unreal how big of man-crush you have on all things Tom Crean.  I don't hate TC by any means and can appreciate what he did at MU - but Chicos, you are rock hard for the guy.  Why?

really pathetic isnt it.  Mu had some really nice years in the 3-4 years after Oneil left.  BAut that is actually not the point.  the point is he told them not to leave and they could not follow him.  Compared to what the scumbag Crean did.

[MR.HAYWARD]

"I am glad he told Eford, Shaw and Abrahms to stay at MU.  We got a NIT out of it the next year."

What a classless act Chicos is! 

Anyone will rmeber the team struggles out of the gate but was playing at a very high level at the end of the year.  those same players were a 4 seed in the NCaa the next year after getting to the C-USA title game.  and then won a conference title the next year.  Way to skew things.  Chicos you are a true loser.  Diminsh eveything anyone else did to prop up your boyfriend.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

really pathetic isnt it.  Mu had some really nice years in the 3-4 years after Oneil left.  BAut that is actually not the point.  the point is he told them not to leave and they could not follow him.  Compared to what the scumbag Crean did.

To be fair, Crean did leave Buzz with a team that had a legitimate chance at a final 4 run before DJ got hurt.

That doesn't mean Crean's not a "scumbag" (I'm not going to debate personal opinions), but Crean left Buzz with a lot better team than KO left Mike Deane, that's a fact... so let's not make KO out to be some sort of hero.

Also, outside of Tyshawn Taylor, I'm not sure who Buzz would have even wanted. He seems to have reloaded nicely with guys that fit his system, so maybe he didn't even want those guys.

[NYWarrior]

"I am glad he told Eford, Shaw and Abrahms to stay at MU.  We got a NIT out of it the next year."

Anyone will rmeber the team struggles out of the gate but was playing at a very high level at the end of the year.  those same players were a 4 seed in the NCaa the next year after getting to the C-USA title game.  and then won a conference title the next year.  Way to skew things.  Chicos you are a true loser.  Diminsh eveything anyone else did to prop up your boyfriend.

Not sure where Chicos is going here either...JD - in addition to Eford, Shaw, and Abraham  -- Pieper, Gates, Hutchins, McCaskill, Crawford, Joseph and Miller were fine 'departing gifts' that KO left at MU.  Sure next year's team went to the NIT, but that was Mike Deane's fault.  The team had a lot of talent that was mismanaged all season long. Maybe I'm missing something here but KO sure didn't screw the program on the way out with the talent he left behind.

[PJDunn]

Let's face it. Bruce Pearl, like KO, has a taste for the ladies. Following in the musky footsteps of his insatiable predecessor, Pearl has ditched Wife V1.0 and found solace and succor in the arms, legs and lips of those delectable southern belles. These are powerful men, men of vigor, and men of gargantuan appetites. They cannot be expected to be satisifed by just one woman. No, men such as these need to cut a fresh slice often and with tremendous relish. Bruce was only getting started at UWM. He has hit full stride in the moist folds of Knoxville.

My favorite post of 2010.  Things were never boring during the KO/Deane run.

[JWags85]

Not sure where Chicos is going here either...JD - in addition to Eford, Shaw, and Abraham  -- Pieper, Gates, Hutchins, McCaskill, Crawford, Joseph and Miller were fine 'departing gifts' that KO left at MU.  Sure next year's team went to the NIT, but that was Mike Deane's fault.  The team had a lot of talent that was mismanaged all season long. Maybe I'm missing something here but KO sure didn't screw the program on the way out with the talent he left behind.

Not to mention that team was the NIT runner up, and probably should have won it all.  Not too shabby.  Certainly the cupboard was bare.

[patso]

Hutch was magical in the NIT

[MR.HAYWARD]

To be fair, Crean did leave Buzz with a team that had a legitimate chance at a final 4 run before DJ got hurt.

That doesn't mean Crean's not a "scumbag" (I'm not going to debate personal opinions), but Crean left Buzz with a lot better team than KO left Mike Deane, that's a fact... so let's not make KO out to be some sort of hero.

Also, outside of Tyshawn Taylor, I'm not sure who Buzz would have even wanted. He seems to have reloaded nicely with guys that fit his system, so maybe he didn't even want those guys.

what in the heck does that have anything do do with it.  the point was oneill told the players to stay and told them he would not take them at Tennesee.  meanwhile Cream is calling MU commits and asking them to switch to Indiana.  

Tow which you and chicos want to debate the calliber of the players left over.  All i can say is wow!!  I would like you to address the character of a man that call s his current commits and attempts to get them to come to his new school before he tells his current players he is leaving.  Also please feel free to address the actions of LAne Kiffin who did the exact same thing.. Now please adress the way Keving Oneill handled it.  To even attempt to mention the caliber of the players is purely moot.  In fact both coaches left players they would want at there knew school.  

[MR.HAYWARD]

Not sure where Chicos is going here either...JD - in addition to Eford, Shaw, and Abraham  -- Pieper, Gates, Hutchins, McCaskill, Crawford, Joseph and Miller were fine 'departing gifts' that KO left at MU.  Sure next year's team went to the NIT, but that was Mike Deane's fault.  The team had a lot of talent that was mismanaged all season long. Maybe I'm missing something here but KO sure didn't screw the program on the way out with the talent he left behind.

NYwarrior JD is vertically challenge and will argue anything to defend his former lover.  he will rant and rave about what a scumbag Lane Kiffin is yet defend Crean for doing the exact same thing. 

[ChicosBailBonds]

To be fair, Crean did leave Buzz with a team that had a legitimate chance at a final 4 run before DJ got hurt.

That doesn't mean Crean's not a "scumbag" (I'm not going to debate personal opinions), but Crean left Buzz with a lot better team than KO left Mike Deane, that's a fact... so let's not make KO out to be some sort of hero.

Also, outside of Tyshawn Taylor, I'm not sure who Buzz would have even wanted. He seems to have reloaded nicely with guys that fit his system, so maybe he didn't even want those guys.

This is what is so funny.  Hayward is saying how great KO was because he told CURRENT players not to follow him.  Can Hayward name a CURRENT MU player that left MU to go with TC?  No, because it didn't happen. 

Yet KO did continue to recruit kids at UT that he was recruiting to go to MU, just as TC did.  Absolutely no difference whatsoever.   I think what has Hayward's undies in a bunch is that some of the kids that signed with MU he wanted to take to IU.  And I agree, that's crappy (unfortunately it's done all too often, I don't condone it but it's done often).

KO did a nice job for MU on the court.  Though he did have the 2nd worst season in MU history, he also got us to two back to back NCAA tournaments for the first time in a decade....but he left in huff, only gave us 5 years, slammed the program in public, acted like a complete dick in public, screwed his family over, etc.

He is barely a .500 coach.  He rebuilds programs until he is run out of town for not getting along with coaches, faculty, administration, people in general....you can't change the stripes.


http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/11877087

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

what in the heck does that have anything do do with it.  the point was oneill told the players to stay and told them he would not take them at Tennesee.  meanwhile Cream is calling MU commits and asking them to switch to Indiana.  

Tow which you and chicos want to debate the calliber of the players left over.  All i can say is wow!!  I would like you to address the character of a man that call s his current commits and attempts to get them to come to his new school before he tells his current players he is leaving.  Also please feel free to address the actions of LAne Kiffin who did the exact same thing.. Now please adress the way Keving Oneill handled it.  To even attempt to mention the caliber of the players is purely moot.  In fact both coaches left players they would want at there knew school.  

OK, I think there's some miscommunication here. I apologize for that.

My only point is this:

It's not like TC took his entire roster with him on a plane to IU and left MU to die. He didn't take Mbakwe. He didn't take Hayward. He didn't take any of the Big 3. He didn't take SC.

The team he left was a legitimate contender. He didn't "rob" MU as you make it seem.

That's all.

I'm not saying that makes TC a hero or even a "good guy". I'm just trying to be factually accurate. Fact: TC left MU with a very, very good senior-loaded roster.

You can call the guy an a-hole all you want. That's your opinion, and many people agree. But, the facts are the facts.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

This is what is so funny.  Hayward is saying how great KO was because he told CURRENT players not to follow him.  Can Hayward name a CURRENT MU player that left MU to go with TC?  No, because it didn't happen. 

Yet KO did continue to recruit kids at UT that he was recruiting to go to MU, just as TC did.  Absolutely no difference whatsoever.   I think what has Hayward's undies in a bunch is that some of the kids that signed with MU he wanted to take to IU.  And I agree, that's crappy (unfortunately it's done all too often, I don't condone it but it's done often).

KO did a nice job for MU on the court.  Though he did have the 2nd worst season in MU history, he also got us to two back to back NCAA tournaments for the first time in a decade....but he left in huff, only gave us 5 years, slammed the program in public, acted like a complete dick in public, screwed his family over, etc.

He is barely a .500 coach.  He rebuilds programs until he is run out of town for not getting along with coaches, faculty, administration, people in general....you can't change the stripes.


http://www.cbssports.com/columns/story/11877087

None of the players who played for Crean would have wanted to go with the douche bag.  It seems some of O'Neill's players felt differently.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Not sure where Chicos is going here either...JD - in addition to Eford, Shaw, and Abraham  -- Pieper, Gates, Hutchins, McCaskill, Crawford, Joseph and Miller were fine 'departing gifts' that KO left at MU.  Sure next year's team went to the NIT, but that was Mike Deane's fault.  The team had a lot of talent that was mismanaged all season long. Maybe I'm missing something here but KO sure didn't screw the program on the way out with the talent he left behind.

Never said he did screw it up....I thank him for what he did on the court as I've said many times before.  The stuff he did off the court, however, was a complete embarrassment to the university. Thank God the internet wasn't around back then, let alone cell phones with cameras. 

And yes, with the talent we had, how that team only went to the NIT is a mind bender.  I just find the double standards continually entertaining when it comes to KO vs other coaches at MU.  Very entertaining.

[The Lens]

The main difference between KO & TC is that after 5 years at MU, another school actually wanted to hire KO.  

TC always tried to leave, just nobody wanted him.  It wasn't until IU had to go clean (eliminating a ton of candidates) and were said no to buy Few, Bennett, et al that TC was finally freed from MKE.

Inagine if after 5 seasons (2004) TC got the Ohio State job he wanted, without commitments yet from the 3 Amigos, he would have left MU with Steve, Travis and not much else.  We would have been pining for Shane Littles and Richard Shaw.

[ChicosBailBonds]

None of the players who played for Crean would have wanted to go with the douche bag.  It seems some of O'Neill's players felt differently.

You could be very right...yet all his coaching staff who went with him. except for Buzz because TC basically pushed for him to get the job.   

The fact of the matter is that KO left some very good talent for Deane

TC left some very good talent for Buzz.  Neither KO or TC took any active players with them to their new digs.

Deane wasn't able to continue what KO had re-started on the court.   Buzz, so far, has been able to continue to some extent what has been going on the last 4 years.  I'd love for him to be able to keep the streak of NCAAs going, but that's a tall ask for anyone.  Maybe he can find a way....if he does, COY of the Big East.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

The main difference between KO & TC is that after 5 years at MU, another school actually wanted to hire KO.  

TC always tried to leave, just nobody wanted him.  It wasn't until IU had to go clean (eliminating a ton of candidates) and were said no to buy Few, Bennett, et al that TC was finally freed from MKE.

Inagine if after 5 seasons (2004) TC got the Ohio State job he wanted, without commitments yet from the 3 Amigos, he would have left MU with Steve, Travis and not much else.  We would have been pining for Shane Littles and Richard Shaw.

You mean there wasn't a single school who would have taken TC in 2004?