Charles Woodson vs. Darrelle Revis

[Hards Alumni]

Just because it is fun...

Who was more deserving of the Defensive Player of the Year award... and why?

[LON]

Just because it is fun...

Who was more deserving of the Defensive Player of the Year award... and why?

Woodson - he's older and proven, he owned Revis in every statistical category, he played S and LB as well as CB

EDIT:
I am a huge Packers fan

[Hards Alumni]

those were my arguments as well... Revis was just a shut down corner.

and I am also a huge Packer fan.

[Jay Bee]

Revis (because the Packers blow)

Rex Ryan: "A number that I think is interesting would be eight, and no, that's not the amount of touchdown passes that Green Bay gave up against Arizona. That is the number of touchdown passes we gave up all season at the Jets, and the biggest reason for that is Darrelle Revis."

[LON]

Revis (because the Packers blow)

Rex Ryan: "A number that I think is interesting would be eight, and no, that's not the amount of touchdown passes that Green Bay gave up against Arizona. That is the number of touchdown passes we gave up all season at the Jets, and the biggest reason for that is Darrelle Revis."

And the rest of the #1 defense.  GB may have statistically been #2, but anyone watching their games knew that it was much closer to #10...

Coincidentally, 8 is the number of cheeseburgers Rex eats daily.

EDIT:

And I like how they think that the Zona game should have any bearing on the award.  The voting was done well before that game.

[Hards Alumni]

Revis (because the Packers blow)

Rex Ryan: "A number that I think is interesting would be eight, and no, that's not the amount of touchdown passes that Green Bay gave up against Arizona. That is the number of touchdown passes we gave up all season at the Jets, and the biggest reason for that is Darrelle Revis."

Last I checked there were 4 guys in the defensive backfield, not one.

[DJO's Pump Fake]

Coner of the year would probably go to Revis and I am a huge Packer fan.

But how can you discount PLAYER of the YEAR from Woodson

Charles had 4 FF, 1 FR, 2 Sacks and 3 TD's............Revis had 0 from every one of those categories.  Not to mention 20 less tackles.

In my opinion no one had more game breaking and game changing plays than Charles and he deservedly won the DPOY award.

Ever since Ryan's spout I have hated the Jets

[NavinRJohnson]

Revis had a great year to be sure, but the award is Defensive Player of the Year, not CB of the year. As many have pointed out, Woodson did EVERYTHING this year.

[MUBurrow]

I still think its Revis.  The stats/does everything argument is undermined by the Packers 3-4 as opposed to the Jets more conventional D.  The 3-4 the Pack employ allows an experienced ballhawk like Woodson to play all of those positions/blitz etc.  The Jets defense depends on Revis being able to shut anyone down 1-1.  A lot of Woodson's stats came via zone coverages, blitz packages, etc. (the pick off Stafford on Thanksgiving comes to mind)  Ryan blitzes from the linebacker spots and the occasional safety.  I go to Michigan and am a huge Woodson guy, but as for who was the best defensive player, I would say Revis.

[IAmMarquette]

Revis had a great year to be sure, but the award is Defensive Player of the Year, not CB of the year. As many have pointed out, Woodson did EVERYTHING this year.

This. As a strictly lock-down corner, the edge goes to Revis. But it's not Defensive Back of the Year. It's Defensive PLAYER of the Year. Woodson was better all-around.


And yes, I am a Packer fan.

[LON]

I still think its Revis.  The stats/does everything argument is undermined by the Packers 3-4 as opposed to the Jets more conventional D.  The 3-4 the Pack employ allows an experienced ballhawk like Woodson to play all of those positions/blitz etc.  The Jets defense depends on Revis being able to shut anyone down 1-1.  A lot of Woodson's stats came via zone coverages, blitz packages, etc. (the pick off Stafford on Thanksgiving comes to mind)  Ryan blitzes from the linebacker spots and the occasional safety.  I go to Michigan and am a huge Woodson guy, but as for who was the best defensive player, I would say Revis.

And the more conventional D allows Revis to do what he does best, cover WR's...Woodson was asked (and did) more than that, which would constitute the best OVERALL player, which is the essence of the award, unless I'm missing something.

EDIT:  And Revis will have plenty of time to get his, in these awards it seems the older guy will more often than not, win it.

[MUBurrow]

I guess I was saying that I actually think its harder to be strictly a lock down corner than be able to play in space like Woodson.  There are a lot of players who are incredible in space, (OLBs, etc) but that doesn't make them better players because of their versatility.  I can only name maybe 3 lock-down cover corners in a league, but far more good space players. 

A decent analogy would be to compare a flexible DE/OLB type to a DT in a 3-4.  Granted the DT only anchors the line, rather than cover, blitz, stand up and go down on the line.  Yet the great DT is a more valuable and rare asset.

[LON]

I guess I was saying that I actually think its harder to be strictly a lock down corner than be able to play in space like Woodson.  There are a lot of players who are incredible in space, (OLBs, etc) but that doesn't make them better players because of their versatility.  I can only name maybe 3 lock-down cover corners in a league, but far more good space players. 

A decent analogy would be to compare a flexible DE/OLB type to a DT in a 3-4.  Granted the DT only anchors the line, rather than cover, blitz, stand up and go down on the line.  Yet the great DT is a more valuable and rare asset.

I agree with your argument, but I don't think that being a lock-down corner on the best defense in the NFL should win you the D-MVP...

[Moonboots]

I'm a huge Packer homer, maybe the biggest here... and as a neutral observer, I would have voted for Revis. 

What that guy did for that defense can't be matched by any other player in the NFL, including Woodson.  He essentially makes every game a 10 on 10 contest and allows Ryan to utilize all his blitz packages.  He's fast enough to run with anyone, he can go from zero to top speed in steps, he has an incredible vertical leap, great ball skills, and he's smart and physical as well.  He's a more physical version of Deion Sanders, and I'm entirely comfortable saying that.

That isn't to say Woodson was undeserving of the award.  This was the best defensive season I've seen by a Packer in my lifetime, even against some of the stuff Reggie put up in the mid to late '90s.  As far as versatility, there's no comparison.  Revis didn't blitz once this year. Not a single time.  But Woodson matches up over top receivers, he's covered tight ends, he's blitzed, he's played safety, he's played tough in run support, and he's the best player at forcing fumbles that I've ever come across.

The value in Revis is not so much what he did, but what he DIDN'T allow the rest of the league to do on a week to week basis.

[Moonboots]

I agree with your argument, but I don't think that being a lock-down corner on the best defense in the NFL should win you the D-MVP...

I think when you're so good at being a lock down corner that you can handle even the most elite receivers in the NFL without safety help, you definitely deserve consideration.  That's filthy good.  And the play he made to undercut Vincent Jackson and intercept the ball was one of the top five plays I've seen by a cornerback (in terms of technique/ability) EVER.



I was totally ready to pull for the Jets as the underdog for the rest of this tournament until Rex Ryan chose to be a shallow pretty boy regarding that award, though.  Now I hope Peyton destroys them next week.