Keno Davis

[mviale]

I remember some felt he would have been a better option than Buzz.  How do you feel now?

[ChicosBailBonds]

I remember some felt he would have been a better option than Buzz.  How do you feel now?

Ask in 3 or 4 more years when true evaluations can be done.  If we lose at Providence does the question get asked again?

I remember someone saying Maymon's dad seemed like a good guy...how do you feel now.  

[mviale]

Yes, some coaches need 3-4 years. 

[Rocco]

Keno is a terrible coach.  He seems to get good talent at PC, but his teams are very undisciplined.  Poor shot selection, terrible defense, and some questionable character.  There is no question Buzz is a better coach than Keno.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Yes, some coaches need 3-4 years. 

Of course....all situations are different.  Some coaches inherit great teams others do not, thus the need for time to evaluate. 

Would it be fair to evaluate Buzz after one year at New Orleans? 

[WxWarrior]

Ask in 3 or 4 more years when true evaluations can be done.  If we lose at Providence does the question get asked again?

I remember someone saying Maymon's dad seemed like a good guy...how do you feel now.  

I may be new around here, but you are truly blinded by your love for the tanned one.  Yes, the question gets asked again and the answer is still a resounding YES!

[marquette99]

As the only person in the world who went to both the kentucky at auburn and providence at marquette games this weekend (I actually have season tickets to both), I can tell you the way we moved the ball and shot the trey today we would have had no problem beating kentucky this weekend, much less providence without the ejection.  Let's hope for another day like this in mid-march in the ncaa opening round.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I may be new around here, but you are truly blinded by your love for the tanned one.  Yes, the question gets asked again and the answer is still a resounding YES!

A) You're not new around here

B) I thought we were talking about Keno, why did you bring up the other guy...strange for a "new" guy around here to be bringing it up.

LOL   

[NersEllenson]

Good question you pose.  I'd take Buzz Williams over Keno Davis, Tony Bennett, Anthony Grant, Sean Miller...or any of the other coaches we "hoped" for after Tom Crean left.  Buzz has been an underdog his whole life, has had to work for everything he's gotten in the coaching game - not having been a former NCAA basketball player.  This team is a direct reflection of who Buzz Williams is:  tough, ultra competitive, huge heart, getting the most out of individual potential, disciplined, and intelligent.  GO BUZZ!!

[Hards Alumni]

Oddly enough I agree with Chicos here.

what is this world coming to?

[ATWizJr]

Oddly enough I agree with Chicos here.

what is this world coming to?

One of you is getting smarter.  (Sorry Chico's, for preempting you!)  JK  LOL.

[ATWizJr]

Keno is a terrible coach.  He seems to get good talent at PC, but his teams are very undisciplined.  Poor shot selection, terrible defense, and some questionable character.  There is no question Buzz is a better coach than Keno.

BTW, the former coach of the year is now a terrible coach?  Get real.  The PC job is among the most challenging in the country and certainly in the BE.  Look at the coaches who have been there, left and had success elsewhere, e.g., Pitino, Barnes.  The PC job is a tough gig.

[JWags85]

While I don't agree that he is a terrible coach, watching Providence yesterday was so foreign after watching his Drake team of a few years ago.  A team that was undermanned talent wise, but got it done from buying into a system.  Not a group of chuckers like we saw yesterday.

[GGGG]

BTW, the former coach of the year is now a terrible coach?  Get real.  The PC job is among the most challenging in the country and certainly in the BE.  Look at the coaches who have been there, left and had success elsewhere, e.g., Pitino, Barnes.  The PC job is a tough gig.

Keno Davis benefited greatly from a team of four-year seniors and a relatively weak MVC.  I'm sure he's a decent coach, but like many of those who win "coach of the year" awards, it is mostly given for surpassing low expectations rather than on pure coaching ability.

[ATWizJr]

Keno Davis benefited greatly from a team of four-year seniors and a relatively weak MVC.  I'm sure he's a decent coach, but like many of those who win "coach of the year" awards, it is mostly given for surpassing low expectations rather than on pure coaching ability.

National expectations for Drake were low and that's why he won the award?  Really?

[bma725]

National expectations for Drake were low and that's why he won the award?  Really?

That's generally how most coaches win that type of award.  Some team isn't expected to do well, and they do, it must be because a coach did a great job.

[79Warrior]

I may be new around here, but you are truly blinded by your love for the tanned one.  Yes, the question gets asked again and the answer is still a resounding YES!

Who mentioned Crean besides you? He was not in the topic.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Good question you pose.  I'd take Buzz Williams over Keno Davis, Tony Bennett, Anthony Grant, Sean Miller...or any of the other coaches we "hoped" for after Tom Crean left.  Buzz has been an underdog his whole life, has had to work for everything he's gotten in the coaching game - not having been a former NCAA basketball player.  This team is a direct reflection of who Buzz Williams is:  tough, ultra competitive, huge heart, getting the most out of individual potential, disciplined, and intelligent.  GO BUZZ!!

He's doing a great job so far, but this is why I will remain consistent and stick with the 4 to 5 year evaluation.

He's still operating with significant contributions from players of the past regime (and utilizing them well).

Bennett is doing a very nice job at UVA in year one, but let's see how it goes down the road.  Arizona, I think Miller will do just fine down there.  Keno and Grant, who knows.  They have a long leash to figure it out.  I suspect our game at Providence will be much different than the game we played yesterday.

[WxWarrior]

Who mentioned Crean besides you? He was not in the topic.

I understand this... and it is not my intention to hijack a thread, nor do I have a personal vendetta against chico.  It just gets old, whenever someone even implies something positive about Buzz he has a difficult time acknowledging it.  And yes, you can be new to a board and still recognize this.

Yes, it is a small sample, but based on last year and what's transpired so far this season (and after watching PC run around with no direction whatsoever) I'm extremely confident MU made the proper hire.

Might I have to backtrack in 3-4 years?  It's possible, but for now I will continue to celebrate this team over achieving with Buzz as boss.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I understand this... and it is not my intention to hijack a thread, nor do I have a personal vendetta against chico.  It just gets old, whenever someone even implies something positive about Buzz he has a difficult time acknowledging it.  And yes, you can be new to a board and still recognize this.

Yes, it is a small sample, but based on last year and what's transpired so far this season (and after watching PC run around with no direction whatsoever) I'm extremely confident MU made the proper hire.

Might I have to backtrack in 3-4 years?  It's possible, but for now I will continue to celebrate this team over achieving with Buzz as boss.

Actually I say positive things about Buzz all the time, you just don't read them or ignore them...."new guy".

LOL.   

[WxWarrior]

Sure, I've read them.  Like the one above in parentheses.

[Skatastrophy]

Sure, I've read them.  Like the one above in parentheses.

I bet that if the mods check your IP you'll turn out to be a vanity account for someone that decided to troll Chicos a bit without trying to make yourself look bad.  Why else would someone start derailing threads in their first couple posts?

[pbiflyer]

He's doing a great job so far, but this is why I will remain consistent and stick with the 4 to 5 year evaluation.

He's still operating with significant contributions from players of the past regime (and utilizing them well).

Bennett is doing a very nice job at UVA in year one, but let's see how it goes down the road.  Arizona, I think Miller will do just fine down there.  Keno and Grant, who knows.  They have a long leash to figure it out.  I suspect our game at Providence will be much different than the game we played yesterday.

Man, Chico, you're tough. Thankfully, you aren't a Gator fan. I can see it now, yeah Urban won the National Championship in is second year, but the jury is still out for 2-3 more years.

[Jam Chowder]

Couple things:

1. Right now, it seems apparent that Buzz was absolutely the right hire. Class act in the way he conducts himself on and off the court (besides minor inexplicable flake-outs i.e. ripping Jimmie Mac, several strange post-game interviews, etc...), and an extremely diligent worker. He is open and honest about his weaknesses, which is very respectable for a guy in his position. He seems to command the respect of his players, and based on his success this year with what many deemed insufficient talent, is a great x's and o's guy. I think that we found a gem with this guy.

2. That being said, reserved optimism is never a bad way to go. Rip on Chicos all you want, but come on. It's been a season and a half. All indicators point to this being a GREAT direction for the program, but success is a fickle mistress in college bball. Nothing wrong with waiting to see what happens in the next season or two before we declare him the best thing since sliced bread.

3. As far as comparisons go... definitely take him over Keno at this point. I would also take him over II, II. I think his departure and the subsequent hiring of BuzzMaster 3000 was the best thing that could have happened for our program.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Man, Chico, you're tough. Thankfully, you aren't a Gator fan. I can see it now, yeah Urban won the National Championship in is second year, but the jury is still out for 2-3 more years.

Are you saying Buzz was the national coach of the year prior to coming here?  Let's compare apples to apples, shall we. 

If Buzz wins a national title in his second year at MU like Meyer did, I'll anoint him.

I was tough on Crean until year four...I'll stay consistent.