oh by the way....

[MR.HAYWARD]

There is an absolute melt down on the Indiana boards.  Our former suck ass coach who had a high percentage of our fans duped with his terrible coaching and recruiting lost last night to Boston!  Seems his crap recruiting and woeful coaching is beginning to wear thin in Bloomington.  And honestly they are right, I dont care if you do have to start from scratch IU with all players recruited by the second year coach should not lose to BU by 20!!  I dont think their incoming class, which is similar to the majority of classes he signed at Mu has them overjoyed either, their top recruit is a top 150 recruit by a few services.

[5YearsatMU]

They lost by 4. 

[PJDunn]

Who gives a rats a$$ about Indiana.  The season is here and I am still holding out hope for a bid to the dance. 

[mu89]

i think they lost by 5. not 20.

[Doctor V]

for Christs sake, get over it hayward. your obsession is starting to make me feel sorry for you...

i was actually pissed at crean when he left and hoped he wouldnt succeed, but posts like yours and your sick obsession almost makes me wish he does well

buzz is God, crean is evil and must be destroyed, happy?

[AZWarrior]

....thought this was a board about Marquette....   

[mu_hilltopper]

Disagree.  Schadenfreude is my middle name.  I don't think there will be a time I would be too full for a story on IU fans being unhappy with our former coach.  I'd love to see him have 3-4 brutal seasons with no hope in sight, have him get booted, see him land a gig as an assistant somewhere.

That's how I'd like to welcome Crean back to the Bradley Center.  When he's on staff at North Florida and he's just another pre-season cupcake.

[Doctor V]

Disagree.  Schadenfreude is my middle name.  I don't think there will be a time I would be too full for a story on IU fans being unhappy with our former coach.  I'd love to see him have 3-4 brutal seasons with no hope in sight, have him get booted, see him land a gig as an assistant somewhere.

That's how I'd like to welcome Crean back to the Bradley Center.  When he's on staff at North Florida and he's just another pre-season cupcake.

impossible... his ego is too big. he would prob only be an assistant under izzo, if at all

[The Lens]

First of this is a message board. If you don't like the topic don't click on it.  When Mr. Hayward starts a thread called oh by the way. What do you think it's gonna be about?

2ndly.  TC coached 9 years at MU. He took us to a Final Four (he also took us to 3 NITs). He will always be part of the conversation. I don't know about you but I always take an interest in what Rick, KO & Deane-o are doing.   So to will I with TC.  

And the fact that they lost to BU in his 2nd season is big news.  IU shouldbe competing for Final Fours.  There's no reason in the world his recruiting classthusfar haven't been top 3.  It's clear to me he has IU on track (next year or so) to be a top 4 B10 team and NCAA regular.  Both of which are great at MU but borderline felonies at IU.

His success, or lack there of, at IU is, to me, not just a MU story but rather a national story.      

[Marquette84]

Just curious, guys . . .

If you get your wish and Crean is fired.
And Buzz continues to recruit and coach well at MU and competes for Big East titles and goes deep into the NCAA tourney?

Who do you think is going to be on IU's short list?

[ChicosBailBonds]

LOL

Hayward...must suck for you to live in Indiana.

[Dr. Blackheart]

It doesn't help Crean PR wise when Cal, and Pastner come in their first years at top jobs and land monster 5 star classes.  Crean's hill is much more rugged but the expectations are higher at IU and memories are short about what he walked into.  Roth is out for the year, and he has three new starters.  He is lucky Iowa is horrible and NU is banged up.  No question the pressure is cooking up on him. 

[4everwarriors]

Evil, the Cats will miss Coble. But, probably kick Crean's ass, at least, in Evanston.

[avid1010]

Just curious, guys . . .

If you get your wish and Crean is fired.
And Buzz continues to recruit and coach well at MU and competes for Big East titles and goes deep into the NCAA tourney?

Who do you think is going to be on IU's short list?

Right...IU will definitely look to MU for another coach as the past one had success at MU and flopped at IU.  They'd look for a repeat, just as I'm sure Buzz is looking to pull a TC.  Not saying Buzz won't leave if he has success, but not to IU.  That's just dumb.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'm curious how many of you believe Buzz will be at MU for 9 years?

[nyg]

I'm curious how many of you believe Buzz will be at MU for 9 years?

Not too many coaches last 9 years in one place these  days. Give Buzz two more years with next year's class and see what happens.

[Hards Alumni]

Disagree.  Schadenfreude is my middle name.  I don't think there will be a time I would be too full for a story on IU fans being unhappy with our former coach.  I'd love to see him have 3-4 brutal seasons with no hope in sight, have him get booted, see him land a gig as an assistant somewhere.

That's how I'd like to welcome Crean back to the Bradley Center.  When he's on staff at North Florida and he's just another pre-season cupcake.

+1

[4everwarriors]

I'm curious how many of you believe Buzz will be at MU for 9 years?

I'm in. Truth is Crean overstayed his welcome by 5 years. Should have left after the FF debacle. Apparently, schools wouldn't cough up the sheckles necessary to move the anoited one. Until, IU got caught in the wringer.
It will be interesting to see how Buzz plays out. I hope he's successful enough that others come calling. Could see Austin potentially as a player. Far too early to tell.

[The Lens]

I'm curious how many of you believe Buzz will be at MU for 9 years?

I could care less how long he's here.  MU is committed to winning & Wild has shown he can hire coaches we'll be fine.  IU on the otherhand...

[M@RQUETTEW@RRIORS]

I'm curious how many of you believe Buzz will be at MU for 9 years?

To be quite honest.   At this point Buzz should still be happy to have a job at a program like MU.(and HE probably is)   It is just as likely that MU is an NIT team for 3 years and Buzz is on the street, as it is MU is an elite 8 team and on the hot list down in Texas....

Just saying

[ChicosBailBonds]

I could care less how long he's here.  MU is committed to winning & Wild has shown he can hire coaches we'll be fine.  IU on the otherhand...

LOL....are you saying IU isn't committed to winning?  They just invested $10 million in a coach and a ton of money for a new building.  The difference is that they are literally starting from scratch, something some people here apparently don't understand.  They had ONE player return last year that scored about 2 points a game.  That was it.  TOTALLY STARTING FROM ZERO.


As for you not worrying about coaches coming and going, well you're entitled to that opinion.  I find that most schools that go through that process pay dearly for it because it sends the message that it's a stepping stone school.  I'd much prefer a coach is here for the long haul for multiple reasons. 

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

The state of the economy may play a part in Buzz staying at MU at least for the length of his current contract. 

[texaswarrior74]

When IU went from the favorite/"lock" for Kyrie Irving to losing him, in fact having him drop IU from his short list long before he made a decision, the heat went up on the frying pan. The fact that many of the other top PGs they have targeted are either signing elsewhere or waiting for the spring so they can widen their searches does not bode well for him/IU.

Apparently his staff really blew it with Irving. I've been trying to get the details but he just signed with dook in the early signing period when EVERYONE had him a lock for IU. The other two top recruits for 2011 in Indiana, Zeller and Plumlee could both be headed to the ACC as well. TC is finding out that going head to head with Roy, K and Self (not to forget Matta) is a lot tougher than competing with ND, Illinois, Depaul and others for the midwest talent he really needs to make a difference in his program.

[rocky_warrior]

The difference is that they are literally starting from scratch, something some people here apparently don't understand.  They had ONE player return last year that scored about 2 points a game. 

Wait - I thought they were starting from scratch last year?  That's still the excuse this year?  Didn't Crean put together last years team?  Didn't it include a couple highly rated players, including Nick Williams who was going to be the next DW?

What happened, why are they starting from scratch this year too?

Ever ask yourself that?

Keep defending the guy, and get prepared to pay up on Nov 1, 2012  

[ChicosBailBonds]

To be quite honest.   At this point Buzz should still be happy to have a job at a program like MU.(and HE probably is)   It is just as likely that MU is an NIT team for 3 years and Buzz is on the street, as it is MU is an elite 8 team and on the hot list down in Texas....

Just saying

I agree, he should be incredibly happy...a few years ago he was the head coach of a mid major with a losing record.  Timing is everything and his timing was perfect.  He's taking the most of a great opportunity.

Will he be here in 9 years, I doubt it but we'll see.  Considering only one coach since McGuire lasted 9 years, the odds are against him doing so.  There are destination jobs where coaches go to stay there for a decade or more, MU isn't one of them right now.  At least it hasn't been since McGuire, the last guy to actually commit to 10 years or more (and he tried to leave multiple times).