oh by the way....

[ChicosBailBonds]

Wait - I thought they were starting from scratch last year?  That's still the excuse this year?  Didn't Crean put together last years team?  Didn't it include a couple highly rated players, including Nick Williams who was going to be the next DW?

What happened, why are they starting from scratch this year too?

Ever ask yourself that?

Keep defending the guy, and get prepared to pay up on Nov 1, 2012  

I'm still talking about last year....sorry if that didn't come across that way....this year is what, a game or two old.  I'm talking about the first season where he had to totally start over.  He'll finish probably 10th this year, maybe 9th if they get a few breaks.  Next year they will be NIT, then they will start going to the NCAAs again.  Reality is reality, they've had to do something that pretty much no other team has ever had to do....totally start from scratch. The administration understands that.  They know it will take multiple years.  Most coaches step in and there is a senior or 2, a junior, a good freshman, something....he walked into one guy returning who averaged 2 points a game.  That's starting from zero....that's the reality.

I won't be paying up in 2012, trust me.  It just isn't going to happen.   IU is in deep trouble financially in athletics and so much is committed to him that this will be an easy bet to cash in on.  Taking candy from a baby.   

[rocky_warrior]

IU is in deep trouble financially in athletics and so much is committed to him that this will be an easy bet to cash in on.  Taking candy from a baby.   

Oh no - I know you didn't just call me a baby.  lol

[ChicosBailBonds]

Oh no - I know you didn't just call me a baby.  lol

Ooops...just a general figure of speech.  LOL   No insult meant.  And if you do win, I think others on this board can tell you I pay my debts.  I just don't see this one happening. 

Peace

[DaCoach]

I can see Buzz remaining at MU for many years. He doesn't seem driven to ultimately coach at one of the elite programs. He has a refreshing approach to the game and his players. I can't see him using them as pawns to raise his value for another college.

Ultimately he'll have to produce and his Xs and Os are still undetermined. But there is no doubt that he has been a very positive addition to Marquette. When you consider that we could have very easily dropped our court cred after Crean bolted, Buzz has proven that Texas isn't all hat and no cowboy.

[StillAWarrior]

I can see Buzz remaining at MU for many years. He doesn't seem driven to ultimately coach at one of the elite programs.

I'm very happy about Buzz, but I disagree.  There's something about his legendary 200 letters a week to all his coaching contacts that makes me think this is a guy who wants to go to the very top.  And I don't begrudge him that.  I hope that he thinks Marquette is the very top and that he succeeds and stays for a long, long time, but history shows that it's unlikely.

[rocky_warrior]

I can see Buzz remaining at MU for many years. He doesn't seem driven to ultimately coach at one of the elite programs.

I also disagree.  However, I do believe he wants to bring Marquette to the level of the elite programs (at least similar to Cuse and UConn) which would solve the problems of him staying here.

Go get em Buzz (and don't pull a TC on us).

[spartan3186]

Buzz has said multiple time he'll coach at MU as long as they'll have him. Nothing Buzz has said gives me any reason to doubt this.

[mu_hilltopper]

Buzz has said multiple time he'll coach at MU as long as they'll have him.

You believe that? 

You are so precious.

[tower912]

He has said that multiple times as well as how MU's values match up so well with his.   On the other hand, he has been a nomad prior to his arrival here.    I have no reason to call him a liar, but perhaps past performance is an indicator of future trends.   Until I see/hear something different, I am going to believe his words and that he was only a nomad until he landed a head gig at a high major.   

[MR.HAYWARD]

LOL....are you saying IU isn't committed to winning?  They just invested $10 million in a coach and a ton of money for a new building.  The difference is that they are literally starting from scratch, something some people here apparently don't understand.  They had ONE player return last year that scored about 2 points a game.  That was it.  TOTALLY STARTING FROM ZERO.


As for you not worrying about coaches coming and going, well you're entitled to that opinion.  I find that most schools that go through that process pay dearly for it because it sends the message that it's a stepping stone school.  I'd much prefer a coach is here for the long haul for multiple reasons. 

Chicos,

Jim larranga is starting from scratch this year too.  11 new players all freshamn or sophomores and they are more talented , better coached and just beat your team!!

Josh Pastner and Sean Miller are basically starting from scratch at there schools too.  yet they actually signed big time classes.  Cream is still recruiiting and coaching like he was at Mu ..thank God he is not.

oh by the way look are makihn yourself appear as even more of an idiot on the indiana boards.

IU is commited to winning they just unfortunately fell for a pretender full of pomp and no circumstance

[79Warrior]

Buzz has said multiple time he'll coach at MU as long as they'll have him. Nothing Buzz has said gives me any reason to doubt this.

And Bill Clinton said he never had sex with that woman. Please, Buzz has an ego, contrary to how he portrays himself.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chicos,

Jim larranga is starting from scratch this year too.  11 new players all freshamn or sophomores and they are more talented , better coached and just beat your team!!

Josh Pastner and Sean Miller are basically starting from scratch at there schools too.  yet they actually signed big time classes.  Cream is still recruiiting and coaching like he was at Mu ..thank God he is not.

oh by the way look are makihn yourself appear as even more of an idiot on the indiana boards.

IU is commited to winning they just unfortunately fell for a pretender full of pomp and no circumstance

Again I try to read your posts but am unable to decipher them.   When I attended MU, specifically at Lalumiere Hall where foreign languages were taught, I stuck to Japanese and Spanish.  I have no clue what language you are speaking, but since it looks nothing like English I can only assume it's a foreign language. 


Perhaps you can help us all "makihn" heads or tails about what you just wrote.

Thanks


Oh, and Pastner, Larranga, Miller....tell me when they EVER had a program where 2.1 points and 1 rebound returned from the previous season.  That was it, nothing more.   

[ChicosBailBonds]

Buzz has said multiple time he'll coach at MU as long as they'll have him. Nothing Buzz has said gives me any reason to doubt this.

Well, let's hope it's true but come on.  Quick, do a Google scan of Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly, Fitzgerald, Harbaugh, Bob Stoops, etc, etc and what they say about remaining at their current school.  So when one of them takes the Notre Dame job, are they lying?

Buzz is just doing coach speak, they all do. 

[77ncaachamps]

Well, let's hope it's true but come on.  Quick, do a Google scan of Urban Meyer, Brian Kelly, Fitzgerald, Harbaugh, Bob Stoops, etc, etc and what they say about remaining at their current school.  So when one of them takes the Notre Dame job, are they lying?

Buzz is just doing coach speak, they all do. 

I guess that can be said about "It's Indiana! It's Indiana (for now until Izzo leaves MSU)."

[ChicosBailBonds]

I guess that can be said about "It's Indiana! It's Indiana (for now until Izzo leaves MSU)."

Absolutely....they all do it, Buzz is no exception.  They're all thrilled to be at _______ , they have no desire to leave _________ , this is one of the best jobs in the nation, they're honored to be considered at __________ but haven't been contacted.  Yada yada yada.

[downtown85]

Absolutely....they all do it, Buzz is no exception.  They're all thrilled to be at _______ , they have no desire to leave _________ , this is one of the best jobs in the nation, they're honored to be considered at __________ but haven't been contacted.  Yada yada yada.

Saying, "I will stay as long as MU will have me." is different than what you say above.  What he is saying is that he will leave only if for some reason MU fires him or forces him out.   Chicos, you must admit that Buzz uses far less coachspeak than most other coaches.  He is brutally honest to a fault.  I would go so far as to say that that quote is exactly how he feels at the moment.  

That being said things can change in the future.  He always seems to involve his wife in such life changing decisions as moving and new career opportunities.  She may tire of the cold weather at some point.  On the other hand, I have heard him say numerous times how much his wife loves it here.  

The other thing that was not really brought up is that Buzz is a very religious, very Christian person.  While I don't think he is Catholic, he does involve Jesus as an example and in prayer all the time while coaching and recruiting.  I am not sure, given the politically correct nature of some universities that this would be allowed to such an extent, i.e., at a UT or A&M.  At least here, he can be who he really is.  I would not underestimate this aspect.    

Seriously, one thing I am sure we can agree on is that I hope in a few years that Buzz's name comes up as an alternative for the really big job openings.  That will mean that he has gotten us back to the NCAA's, we've done well in the Big East, and he continues the great recruiting that he has started. Perhaps even COY.  .  My take on Buzz's personality so far is that he will be less likely to jump ship as the last guy.  

[Coach Norman Dale]

Should have left after the FF debacle.

I sift through all your anti-Crean posts panning for nuggets of GOLD like this.

I think it should be a category on Family Feud:  Words never used by sane people to describe a trip to the NCAA Final Four.  #1 Answer -- "DEBACLE".

Would it have been better if Marquette had not made it that far?

[Benny B]

Saying, "I will stay as long as MU will have me." is different than what you say above.  What he is saying is that he will leave only if for some reason MU fires him or forces him out.   Chicos, you must admit that Buzz uses far less coachspeak than most other coaches.  He is brutally honest to a fault.  I would go so far as to say that that quote is exactly how he feels at the moment.  

+1

Key words are "at the moment."  Right now, I would bet my life that the only coaching job Buzz is thinking about is Marquette.  That isn't to say that it won't change at some point in the future, but I think it is grossly unfair to immediately pigeonhole Buzz into the "I like blank, I want to be at blank" coaching stereotype.

Not everyone who finds success wants to be at the top.  Similarly, we can't all be President, we can't all be astronauts, we can't all be Warren Buffett, and we can't all coach Duke -- sadly, it takes at least 3-4 decades, sometimes longer, for most of the U.S. population to realize this.  (Remember when your parents and teachers told you that you can be anything you want --- that was a lie.)

So how long is Buzz at MU?  As long as it's a match for both.

[Lennys Tap]

And Bill Clinton said he never had sex with that woman. Please, Buzz has an ego, contrary to how he portrays himself.

It's clear you're no fan of Buzz, but comparing him to Clinton? Rather a low blow.

[MU B2002]

I sift through all your anti-Crean posts panning for nuggets of GOLD like this.

You have an abundance of free time, because you are working with a lot of material.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Saying, "I will stay as long as MU will have me." is different than what you say above.  What he is saying is that he will leave only if for some reason MU fires him or forces him out.   Chicos, you must admit that Buzz uses far less coachspeak than most other coaches.  He is brutally honest to a fault.  I would go so far as to say that that quote is exactly how he feels at the moment.  

Yes, in comparing one year as head coach to 9 years, you are correct.    

Seems like apples to oranges comparison.  I'll bet people were infatuated with Crean's brutal honesty, Christian attitude, etc in the first few years.  Honeymoon periods, anything goes....everything is gumdrops, marshmellows and lollipops.

[wyoMUfan]

I sift through all your anti-Crean posts panning for nuggets of GOLD like this.

I think it should be a category on Family Feud:  Words never used by sane people to describe a trip to the NCAA Final Four.  #1 Answer -- "DEBACLE".

Would it have been better if Marquette had not made it that far?

Very well said, I thought the same thing....Granted we got whooped by kansas. But I would say a trip to the Final four counts as a successful season