predictions for 09-10

[Pakuni]

I predict UConn and Louisville will finish 1-2 in the conference ... in players arrested and/or suspended.

As for MU:

9-3 out of conference
8-10 in conference

Let it never be said I'm not an optimist.

[SCdem@MU]

21-11

Non-Conference (9-3)
Cenetary: Win
UM - Eastern Shore: Win
Grambling: Win
South Dakota: Win
Xavier: Loss
Creighton or Michigan: Loss
FSU, Baylor, Bama or Iona:  Win
NC State: Win
UWM: Win
UW: Loss
North Florida: Win
Presbyterian: Win

Conference(11-7)
WVU - Loss
Villanova - Loss
Georgetown - Win
Villanova - Loss
Providence - Win
DePaul - Win
Syracuse - Loss
Rutgers - Win
UConn - Loss
DePaul - Win
Providence - Win
USF - Win
Pitt - Win
Cincy - Loss
St. John's - Win
Seton Hall - Win
Louisville - Loss
ND - Win

BE 1-1

[Skatastrophy]

Not going to offer my prediction. because let's be honest, you don't care what I think.

You act like my emo little brother did when he was still in high school.  There's no reason to pout.  Come in here and offer your opinion and defend it as well as you can.

Just as you have your head so far into Georgetown's team that it's hard to be objective, we're the same way with MU often times.  It's nice to hear outside opinions... sometimes 

[chapman]

Not going to offer my prediction. because let's be honest, you don't care what I think.
I will only say 1) I do not get the people that predict losing to NC St yet also making the NCAA's if you guys are actually bad enough to lose to NC st. you won't make the NCAA's. 2) You guys will not be bad enough to lose to NC st. they are terrible the worst team in the ACC which will be having yet another down year.

It happens with a young team.  They lose games they should win and might win some games they should lose.  Actually, considering we lost to South Florida last year it can happen to any team.  We lost to North Dakota State and DePaul three years ago and still made the NCAA.  I'm predicting the loss as a pattern following some big wins by a young team, a big letdown.  It happened with our young team four years ago: won the Great Alaskan Shootout, didn't show up to play Nebraska.  Killed #2 Uconn, then laid an egg at home against Cincinnati.  I think if we win 2-3 games in the Old Spice Classic we need to watch for the letdown against NC State.   

[MU B2002]

Non-Conference (10-2)
Cenetary: Win
UM - Eastern Shore: Win
Grambling: Win
South Dakota: Win
Xavier: Loss
Creighton or Michigan: Loss
FSU, Baylor, Bama or Iona:  Win
NC State: Win
UWM: Win
UW: Win
North Florida: Win
Presbyterian: Win

Conference(7-11)
WVU - Loss
Villanova - Loss
Georgetown - Loss
Villanova - Loss
Providence - Win
DePaul - Win
Syracuse - Win
Rutgers - Loss
UConn - Loss
DePaul - Win
Providence - Loss
USF - Win
Pitt - Loss
Cincy - Loss
St. John's - Win
Seton Hall - Loss
Louisville - Loss
ND - Win

BET 1-1

[hoyasincebirth]

Fine

Non-Conference (9-3)
Cenetary: Win
UM - Eastern Shore: Win
Grambling: Win
South Dakota: Win
Old spice: 1-2
NC State: Win
UWM: Win
@UW: Loss
North Florida: Win
Presbyterian: Win

Conference(7-11)
@WVU - Loss
Villanova - Loss
Georgetown - Loss
@Villanova - Loss
Providence - Win
@DePaul - Win
@Syracuse - Loss
Rutgers - Win
@UConn - Loss
DePaul - Win
@Providence - Loss
USF - Win
Pitt - win
@Cincy - Win
@St. John's - Loss
@Seton Hall - Loss
Louisville - Loss
ND - Win

BET 1-1
NIT 2-1
19-16 to end the year.

[denverMU]

Non-Conference (12-0)
Cenetary: Win
UM - Eastern Shore: Win
Grambling: Win
South Dakota: Win
Xavier: Win
Creighton or Michigan: Win
FSU, Baylor, Bama or Iona:  Win
NC State: Win
UWM: Win
UW: Win
North Florida: Win
Presbyterian: Win

Conference(11-7)
WVU - Loss
Villanova - Win
Georgetown - Win
Villanova - Loss
Providence - Win
DePaul - Win
Syracuse - Loss
Rutgers - Win
UConn - Loss
DePaul - Win
Providence - Loss
USF - Win
Pitt - Win
Cincy - Loss
St. John's - Win
Seton Hall - Win
Louisville - Loss
ND - Win

BET: 2-1

I am very optimistic about this season.  I think we can match the freshman season of the Three Amigos!

[HoopsMalone]

Why is everyone just assuming that we lose to Xavier this year?  Almost no one picked MU against them at the Old Spice.  They only addded one three star recruit this year, while we have 2 healthy and some solid JUCO guards in this year.  Otherwise they have 3 total four star recruited players, the same as MU has healthy. 

Solid team over at Xavier, but not an automatic loss.  Equal talent but they have the experience.  We lost to Dayton starting 4 seniors and a junior last Thanksgiving. 

It will take big nights out of Lazar at the beginning, but I would not count Xavier as an autmatic loss.

[chapman]

Why is everyone just assuming that we lose to Xavier this year?  Almost no one picked MU against them at the Old Spice.  They only addded one three star recruit this year, while we have 2 healthy and some solid JUCO guards in this year.  Otherwise they have 3 total four star recruited players, the same as MU has healthy. 

Solid team over at Xavier, but not an automatic loss.  Equal talent but they have the experience.  We lost to Dayton starting 4 seniors and a junior last Thanksgiving. 

It will take big nights out of Lazar at the beginning, but I would not count Xavier as an autmatic loss.

To be honest I just used a combination of their name and that they got some votes in the polls to go with XU over us.  Though after now doing a bit of research I'll stick with the pick.  Jordan Crawford, Mark Lyons, and Brian Walsh are also eligible for Xavier in additon to their newcomer freshman.  Crawford is a solid guard who had a good freshman season for Indiana, left when Crean came.  Lyons was the #20 point guard in his class but was redshirted last year.  Walsh is a three star shooting guard who was redshirted last year.  They're definitely question marks, but the backcourt matchup still looks like a draw at best to me.  Though I have to say I feel better playing a team like this on Thanksgiving and not in February. 

[Benny B]

Cent-MDES-Gram-SD: 4-0
Old Spice: 2-1
NCSt-UWM-Wis: 2-1
NFla-Pres: 2-0
WV-Vill-G-Vill: 1-3
Prov-DeP: 2-0
Cuse-Rut-Conn-DeP: 2-2
Prov-USF: 2-0
Pitt-Cincy-StJ-Hall: 2-2
Ville-Domers: 0-2

Overall: 19-11
Conference: 9-9, T-7th BE (8th Seed)
BET: 1-1
NCAA (12 Seed - Last four in): 1-1

[CTWarrior]

I'm a pessimist by nature and I hope I am wrong.  I haven't seen the new guys yet but I am not a fan of our returning players AT ALL with the exception of Butler and Hayward, who are both natural 3s.  Of those returning players, I think Fulce may surprise if he's healthy, but he's a natural 3, too.  Guards aren't everything but they're the most important thing and if Acker and Cubes are playing 40 MPG between them that does not bode well.  Last year Otule did not remotely resemble a basketball player except in the team picture, and from what I've read on this board Mbao isn't going to provide useful minutes either. No size and no guards is not a recipe for success. 

Non-Conference (9-3)
Centenary W
UMES – W
Grambling – W
South Dakota – W
Old Spice Classic – 1W, 2 L
NC State – W
UWM – W
@UW – L
North Florida – W
Presbyterian – W

Conference (6-12)
@UWV – L
Nova – L
Georgetown – W
@Nova – L
Providence – W
@DePaul – W
@ Syracuse – L
Rutgers – L
@UConn – L
DePaul – W
@Providence – L
USF – W
Pitt – L
@Cincinnati – L
@ St. John’s – L
@Seton Hall – W
Louisville – L
Notre Dame – L

BET (0-1)

Season 15-16

No postseason

[downtown85]

CT,  I read Benny B's post earlier today and I was feeling pretty good.  I read your's just now and now I am feeling pretty down.  I just goes to show that nobody knows how this team will do this season.  This season should be a lot of fun in any event! 

[Aughnanure]

Non-Conference (8-4,9-3) Depending on the Old Spice Classic
Cenetary: Win
UM - Eastern Shore: Win
Grambling: Loss -I just feel we will lose one we shouldn't, I don't know which one it will be, but  it will happen (please don't be UWM)
South Dakota: Win
Xavier: Win
Creighton or Michigan: Loss to both
FSU, Baylor, Bama or Iona:  Loss to Bama and Baylor, win over Iona or FSU
NC State: Win
UWM: Win
UW: Win - is anyone really that impressed or scared of UW besides it being in the KC? If we can score, we will win.
North Florida: Win
Presbyterian: Win

Something I haven't seen people bring up is that we have 6 games against the 4 teams predicted (in most season previews) lower than us (12). You win, say 5 or 6, 8-10 is almost gauranteed. We will win some games win shouldn't, and lose some we shouldn't... but from my perspective starting with 5 or 6 wins, pulling a few upsets and not being as bad as some predicted gets us to 9-9 easier than most think. And if you have an above .500 record in the Big East and a decent Non-Con the NCAA tourney is not some ridiculously optimistic goal.

Conference schedule:

Conference(9-9)
@WVU - Loss
Villanova - Loss
Georgetown - Win
@Villanova - Loss

this is an important stretch, bad to go down 0-4 simply for the mental aspect on a young team, but i think we win one of the first four, but just one-which I would be very happy with

Providence - Win
@DePaul - Win
@Syracuse - Loss
Rutgers - Win
@UConn - Loss
DePaul - Win
@Providence - Win
USF - Win
Pitt - Win
@Cincy - Loss
@St. John's - Loss
@Seton Hall - Win
Louisville - Loss
ND - Win

BE Tourney - Most likely 1-1, but with the double bye it could just as easily be 2-1

A good start can propel us to 10-8 to 11-7, Id be surprised and disappointed if we go lower than 8-10

So, worst case scenario would be 17-15 and best case is 22-10, Ill shoot for around the middle and think we get 20 wins and just miss the tourney b/c we didnt get enough quality wins. If we beat the teams we should most of the time and win 2-3 we shouldn't it will be a fun and good year.

[Aughnanure]

Non-Conference (12-0)
Cenetary: Win
UM - Eastern Shore: Win
Grambling: Win
South Dakota: Win
Xavier: Win
Creighton or Michigan: Win
FSU, Baylor, Bama or Iona:  Win
NC State: Win
UWM: Win
UW: Win
North Florida: Win
Presbyterian: Win

Conference(11-7)
WVU - Loss
Villanova - Win
Georgetown - Win
Villanova - Loss
Providence - Win
DePaul - Win
Syracuse - Loss
Rutgers - Win
UConn - Loss
DePaul - Win
Providence - Loss
USF - Win
Pitt - Win
Cincy - Loss
St. John's - Win
Seton Hall - Win
Louisville - Loss
ND - Win

BET: 2-1

I am very optimistic about this season.  I think we can match the freshman season of the Three Amigos!

I love your optimism, but the 3 Amigos did lose a few non-con games. Its almost gauranteed for a young team to at least lose one.....But I dont think your conference prediction is at all too optimistic...very possible.

[warthog-driver]

Non-Conference (13-0)
Cenetary: Win
UM - Eastern Shore: Win
Grambling: Win
South Dakota: Win
Xavier: Win
Creighton or Michigan: Win
FSU, Baylor, Bama or Iona:  Win
NC State: Win
UWM: Win
UW: Win
North Florida: Win
Presbyterian: Win

Conference(12-6)
WVU - Loss
Villanova - Loss
Georgetown - Win
Villanova - Loss
Providence - Win
DePaul - Win
Syracuse - Win
Rutgers - Win
UConn - Loss
DePaul - Win
Providence - Win
USF - Win
Pitt - Loss
Cincy - Win
St. John's - Win
Seton Hall - Win
Louisville - Loss
ND - Win

[Golden Avalanche]

Non-Con: 9--3 (Lose to Xavier; Creighton or Michigan; Wisconsin)

Conference: 8-10

17--13 with a squeak of an NIT bid thanks to an upset in the Big East Tournament.

[Eye]

Cent-MDES-Gram-SD: 4-0
Old Spice: 2-1
NCSt-UWM-Wis: 2-1
NFla-Pres: 2-0
WV-Vill-G-Vill: 1-3
Prov-DeP: 2-0
Cuse-Rut-Conn-DeP: 2-2
Prov-USF: 2-0
Pitt-Cincy-StJ-Hall: 2-2
Ville-Domers: 0-2

Overall: 19-11
Conference: 9-9, T-7th BE (8th Seed)
BET: 1-1
NCAA (12 Seed - Last four in): 1-1

I like Benny's approach, taking the season in chunks.

First 4 - 4-0
Old Spice - 2-1 (one team goes 3-0 (Michigan seems to be the favorite), one team goes 0-3 (probably Iona), three teams go 2-1, three teams go 1-2.
NC State - Freshmen - 2-0
at Rodents - unfortunately loss
Next 2 non-conference - wins
10-2 non-conference

Big East play

Seems to me like a lot of cut-and-dry projections in January and early February
Road games at WVU, nova, cuse and UConn - Probably will find a way to win one of them, but when projecting have to say 0-4
Need to split the first 2 home games against nova and Gtown 1-1
Home games against DePaul, PC, USF, Rutgers - 4-0, like above they could easily go 3-1 in that stretch, but when projecting you figure 4-0
The more I read about PC and DePaul, I think they sweep them on the road, too - 2-0
Leaves MU 7-5, 17-7 into the final six games of the regular season, all of which are against teams who could finish in a similar 6-12 range in the league. 3 home games, Pitt, U of L and ND, and three road games, at Cincy, at SJU, at S Hall. Could easily split the 6 games, which would be a reasonable projecton, but I think just 1 of the 3 between Cincy, SJU and S Hall will put it together this year, and that two of them will slide. So I'll say 4-2 in that 6-game stretch.

11-7 Big East

1-1 BET

0-1 NC2As

22-11 overall

[PBRme]

Bump

Read this and realized the glass is more than half full when considering what most of us thought through this far in the season.

[downtown85]

I think Benny B (as posted on November 10th) will be the most accurate for non-conf, (10-2).  I thnk he is a little pessimistic for the conference season (he has us 9-9, I think 10-8 or even 11-7 are possible) A 1-1 in the BET would probably get us a mid to high seed if we are right.

I really like the feeling of exceeding expectations.  Even a loss like the one aganst FSU doesn't taste as bad. 

[CTWarrior]

I was probably the most pessimistic (9-3 non-conf, 6-12 BE, 0-1 BET, 15-16 total)  I've changed my mind a little because

1.  The guard/wing positions are better than I thought they would be.  Buycks and DJO are much better than I thought they'd be (our track record with JC's other than Butler hasn't been the best so I was wary of them).  Acker and Cubillan have also both been better than I expected, as they have been serviceable at the PG position.

2.  OTOH, the power positions are a little worse than I hoped.  Otule got hurt (to be fair, I wasn't expecting much more than 5 fouls from him), Fulce doesn't look to be an impact player at all (if he has injury problems he still may come around) and Maymon does not have the top tier D-I ready power forward body(those body types include shoulders, you know), nor the athleticism he was purported to have and has not impressed yet (Yes, I know it is way too early to pass judgement, but for once I'd like us to get a D-I ready big man who was in fact, D-I ready).  We can call Butler a guard in the opening lineup annoucements, but he and Hayward are our PF/C positions, however you want to slice them up.  He has been great.  Hayward battles hard and is effective as an undersized 4/5, but I think he is going to set an MU record for getting his shot blocked this year.

3.  Guards are the more important position in the college game so overall we're a little better.

4.  We've already won one that I thought we'd lose.  So if I had to guess I'd upgrade us to 19-15 (10-2 non-conf, 7-11 BE, 1-1 BET, 1-1 NIT)

I would consider that a successful season in what should be a transition year.