Buzz's Defining Moment

[ChicosBailBonds]

I think Chicos is timidly using teal because he knows (or feels) Buzz is getting close to getting a big man.
Chicos...you *know* Black's coming don't you.
But we already have A big man...Mbao.

I hope Vander, Jamail and company make you eat your words!


BTW, somewhere in Wisconsin, Keaton Nankivil is wondering if he can turn back the hands of time. LOL!

LOL   Sorry, I don't consider Mbao a stud recruit.  Remember, the chant was STUD BIG MEN, not just BIG MEN.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I for one fully expect this year's newcomers to exceed the amigos accomplishments. If they only win 2 NCAA tournament games in their 4 years I'll be shocked and bitterly disappointed.

Do you really think the 3 Amigos class would only have 2 NCAA wins if two of their best players didn't miss games?  Come on, sometimes you need to put a * by your comments because you don't portray them honestly or with all the facts.

Let's see what happens to this upcoming class....if they are bit by the same injury bug as MU was the last 4 years, we'll all be bitterly disappointed.

[Lennys Tap]

Hold on there brother... where are the big men?   Remember these famous words "Crean only gets quality guards, he can't land the big men".  

Seriously,  it's a great get and one that I think many of us thought would happen in the last 2 months.  We still have a few years to go to find out if Buzz is the real deal, however, but so far so good (that's for you Lenny).   Let's also not forget that without Crean and his accomplishments (Final Four, NCAAs, players to the NBA, hiring Buzz, Buzz ain't here to even make this pitch...it's all a building block....rip on Crean all you want, but this doesn't happen without him, for some reason people keep forgetting this).

Steve Lavin, here in my hometown, keeps reverberating through my head as he landed the #1 OVERALL recruiting class 2 of 5 years (the other three classes were all top 15)  and he couldn't make a go of it. I don't think Buzz is Lavin, I hope he isn't.  If Buzz can learn from his mistakes (as he seems to be doing) and continue to get quality players, then we should be great.  Let's all hope that's the case.  So far so good, nice get by Mr. Williams....anything to make Badgerholes pissed off is a great thing.


5...4...3...2....1.....until the Mr. Hayward hate machine kicks in and will claim I'm trashing Buzz, which I most certainly am not.

Marquette has just landed its highest rated recruit since Doc Rivers and you want to talk about 1.how smart and/or "inside" you are (knew this two months ago) 2. how Buzz must continue to learn from his mistakes 3.how this is all really due to Tom Crean 4. how when you look at Buzz, Steve Lavin keeps reverberating in your head and 5.how the great thing about this is it makes "Badgerholes" pissed off.

So in addition to trashing Buzz, your also patting yourself on the back, calling for the canonization of TC, and being a general poor sport/bad winner. Solid post.

[Lennys Tap]

Do you really think the 3 Amigos class would only have 2 NCAA wins if two of their best players didn't miss games?  Come on, sometimes you need to put a * by your comments because you don't portray them honestly or with all the facts.

Let's see what happens to this upcoming class....if they are bit by the same injury bug as MU was the last 4 years, we'll all be bitterly disappointed.

Our performance against MSU in the NCAAs was pathetic. We were totally unprepared and were never in the game. With Jerel we still lose. I agree that last year our still unproven coach would have led us to another win or two if James hadn't been hurt.

[nycwarrior]

Man these guys are gonna be fun to watch.

We may end up with Junior, Vander and Jamail as the new 3 amigos.

It'd be nice if their 4th was a big time post player.

[Lennys Tap]

From a rating standpoint, you are correct....but let's do all of us a favor, especially Mr. Blue....he ain't no Dwyane Wade.  That will be our best recruit for a LONG LONG LONG time.  We need not be silly with the pressure we put on this kid.  Wade is bar none the best player MU has had in decades

The chances are that we'll never have another D Wade. The difference here is that virtually every top program in the country would love to have Blue. Other than us, only a few mid majors would take Wade as a freshman. Big, big difference.

[Marquette84]

I for one fully expect this year's newcomers to exceed the amigos accomplishments.

The amigos finished 4th in the BE their freshman year.

Since you fully expect this year's newcomers to "exceed the amigos accomplishments" are you expecting a first, second or third place finish this year?

[Lennys Tap]

The amigos finished 4th in the BE their freshman year.

Since you fully expect this year's newcomers to "exceed the amigos accomplishments" are you expecting a first, second or third place finish this year?

Since 18 months aren't sufficient to draw any conclusions on Buzz, why would one want to compare the amigos to this year's class looking only at their freshman years? Let's compare after the incoming class graduates. If they don't win more than 2 NCAA games I'll eat your hat.

[77ncaachamps]

A big man like Tarik Black would DEFINITELY round out this recruiting class.

And don't forget that we can over-sign one more player!

[ChicosBailBonds]

where are the 50 or so rants from Chicos that said it was easy to sign good recruiting classes with all kinds of Playing time to offer.  Then Buzz signs Jones and Blue both top 75 recruits!!  Chicos passive agression towrds anything positive in regards to Mu is sad.

i have asked it before is Chicos very short, why such a chip on his shoulder that he has some un ending desire to be a prick?

Oh those pesky facts again.  You know Hayward, you can use Summer's Eve all day to your heart's content, that's your call, but I'm not going to let you lie again.

50 or so rants?  None, actually.  I did say that it's easier to recruit when playing time is available, that is an absolute known in the world of college athletics.  I also said that Buzz may be able to do what Crean couldn't, which is land back to back classes.

Here's the proof, you know....evidence.  Try it sometime Hayward, you can't believe how much it would help in your "analysis". 


http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=15491.0   page 1 and page 2


You know, the search function can be used by you as well.  Would you like a tutorial?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Our performance against MSU in the NCAAs was pathetic. We were totally unprepared and were never in the game. With Jerel we still lose. I agree that last year our still unproven coach would have led us to another win or two if James hadn't been hurt.

With Jerel, we don't even play MSU and get a much easier game

[ChicosBailBonds]

So in addition to trashing Buzz, your also patting yourself on the back, calling for the canonization of TC...

Yes, you'll have to show me where I trashed Buzz...thanks.  Also where TC was canonized...thanks.   Did TC hire Buzz and leave him a really good launching pad (Big East, great senior class, brand new building, Final Four only a few years earlier, etc)...yup, that's just reality, nothing about canonization unless reality and facts equal that.

T.H., what do you think the market will do this week?

PS  Two months ago was merely a guess that many here had...4ever, etc.  It wasnt' until about 2 weeks ago when things actually started to take shape and even then, that was only by a process of elimination of other schools.

[Daniel]

Back to Buzz's defining moment.  I hope he has many, many more defining moments in the future at & for Marquette!

GO MARQUETTE!

[muwarrior87]

concerning the big man talk, we need one in this coming class.  If it's a stud 4 or 5, that'd be amazing.  If it's a raw guy I think that will be okay too.  At Madness watching Otule, I think he will continue to grow and has improved immensely on last year already.  There is no way he would have successfully executed a post move the first time he got the ball last year like he did on Friday.  He may surprise some people at times and actually be serviceable this year.  If he is able to continue to improve, next year I would expect something like Ous his senior year only with better hands and a little more size.  That being said, a big is definitely needed this coming recruiting class, and just about every one after that, just to continue to have height on the team.  This is something Buzz realizes.  I'm hoping for Black as he could contribute immediately but these types of players generally need a fair amount of coaching before they are really ready to contribute.

[RawdogDX]

I'm guessing buzz would be annoyed to think that people are discussing his defining moment after only 423 days on the job.

[MU_Iceman]

concerning the big man talk, we need one in this coming class.  If it's a stud 4 or 5, that'd be amazing.  If it's a raw guy I think that will be okay too.  At Madness watching Otule, I think he will continue to grow and has improved immensely on last year already.  There is no way he would have successfully executed a post move the first time he got the ball last year like he did on Friday.  He may surprise some people at times and actually be serviceable this year.  If he is able to continue to improve, next year I would expect something like Ous his senior year only with better hands and a little more size.  That being said, a big is definitely needed this coming recruiting class, and just about every one after that, just to continue to have height on the team.  This is something Buzz realizes.  I'm hoping for Black as he could contribute immediately but these types of players generally need a fair amount of coaching before they are really ready to contribute.

DEFINITELY need a PF in the mix with this class...

If they could put a few pounds on Mbao, I'd liken him to a poor man's Thabeet...I remember seeing Thabeet his frosh year and he was a twig with very mediocre coordination...if you could add a little size to this kid and just shove him in the lane on the defensive end, he could be EXTREMELY effective in blocking / altering shots in a few years...

[radome]

... after only 423 days on the job.

Hilarious.

[4everwarriors]

Not really. Majerus had a defining moment with Joe Wolf. Couldn't get it done or he may still be MU's coach. Crean missed on all his moments.
Buzz has delivered alredy in 400+ days on the job. Success breeds success, especially in recruiting. I'm saying Buzz will be more successful than either Majerus or Crean at MU.

[MR.HAYWARD]

Chicos can and will rip otule and Mboa all he wants as not being "stud big men"  but i will respnd by simply saying ..."at least Buzz is trying!!"  

Crean would go a recruiting class or two in a row without signing any size whatsoever.  It seemed becuase we had no big men he felt he had to sign one that could star from day 1, and if he could not do that he would not sign any at all.  He signed merrit in class #1 then Ooze 5 years later,  throw in Kinsella and I beleive he only singed 3 guys in 9 years over 6'8"!!  

Buzz is not so stupid, he will recruit the best big men he can and take the best available, whether it be McMorrow, Mboa, Otule or whomever he knows if he signs one a year in a few years he will have one that is a senior and one that is ajunior and two in tutelage.  

Anyone that watched MM saw Otule's growth.  Also anyone that watched MM saw Mboa's skill and Bball IQ that kid was underecruited big time.  he is 20 pounds away from being a stud.  By his junior year he will be a houselhold name in the BE.  

Give Buzz time on the "stud " part of signing stud big men but in the mean time i give him huge kudos for at least freking signing them.  he has signed 3 players 6'10 or bigger in 3 years where Crean signed 3 in 9 years.

Chicos will alsways find something to rip on.  But in ayear or two when these guards are rolling otule and Mbao and potential a big yet to be signed will be developed enough to give these new guards something the 3 amigos never had.  

one last thing Chicos is ....  there is simply no other way to describe ...  He rips Buzz for his recruiting and says something along the lines that " steve Lavin could recruit too and look at what that got h.  steve lavin got run out of town becuase he did not immediately duplicate the success and national championships of harrick.  Instead of refernecing the hundreds of coaches that had tremendous sucess he finds one coach that he thinks did poorly in relation to his talent.  

But even his comparing Buzz to Lavin is pathetic, for here is lavin's Bio  Chicos rips Buzz and compares him to lavin as if Lavin was Bob Dukiet.  here are the real FACTS and chicos like to tell people he deals in...

 During Lavin's tenure as a head coach, he was one of only two coaches in the country, along with Duke's Mike Krzyzewski, to lead his team to five NCAA "Sweet 16s" in six years ('02, '01, '00, '98, '97). Lavin guided UCLA to six consecutive 20+ game winning seasons and to six consecutive NCAA tournaments. As head coach, his career record in the first two rounds of the NCAA Tournament is 10-1.

wow if buzz is so god awful to perform as poorly as steve lavin then i am pretty damn excited.  Chicos could you not find someone else to compare buzz to?  I am sure if you look really hard you can find some other coach that failed miserably that you could comapre our coach to.  

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edited for over the top personal attacks. 

[GGGG]

What i cannot figure out is why he is still allowed to post on here.  Please ban Chicos.

Well someone needs to be banned here...or at least given a timeout...and it aint Chicos.

[MR.HAYWARD]

Any sadder than your passive aggression toward anything positive that MU did between 1999 and 2008?

MU84 you are dead wrong I have never been that way to anything positive between 1999 and 2008.  I went to hundreds of games with dozens of them being on the road.  Never did anything but cheer for Mu and want them to win sometimes more than anything, actaully always.  Spent tens of thousands of dollars supporting Mu bball. 
Yet i did think the head coach during that time at least during the last 5 years of his tenure greatly underserved MU, not only in the area of performance on the job but also in the way that he treated fans and alums.  I beleive he held his employer hostage on an annual basis and was a prick that i did not feel should be employed by my alma mater; as i said because of who he was and becuase of his performance.

 if you think that made me ever root any less hard for the warriors then you simply dont get it.  I will always love MU and Mu basketball and that is precisely why i hated Tom Crean and was estatic the day he severed all association with my alam mater.   the chicken littles like you saw it as a threat as a sure turn for the worse.  I saw it as an opportunity that 90% of the coaches out there could and would do a better job in the areas of representing the university, coaching and recruitng.  And since then some littel hayseed that no one had ever heard of with no credentials and no chance has proven to you what me and others already knew.   

[Daniel]

I'm guessing buzz would be annoyed to think that people are discussing his defining moment after only 423 days on the job.

As I said above, I hope this is the first of many defining moments he will have at Marquette.  It is a significant moment, but I think Buzz will use it as a springboard.

[jaygall31]

Buzz can recruit, we know this. But I'm totally interested in his manner of coaching the games this year...although it sucks being short-handed and whatnot. But I'm interested to see his game coaching manner this year, because I dont wanna say last year was 'easy', but it'll be easier than this year, for sure.

[MU_Iceman]

Buzz can recruit, we know this. But I'm totally interested in his manner of coaching the games this year...although it sucks being short-handed and whatnot. But I'm interested to see his game coaching manner this year, because I dont wanna say last year was 'easy', but it'll be easier than this year, for sure.

There is no question Buzz can recruit...now we need to see if the man can coach.  I respect him for being so honest and open with his opinions and thoughts, but two years now he's flat out said that "someone got hurt, they've fallen behind as a result, and he won't wait for them to catch up"...

Let's be real, last year Buzz relied HEAVILY on his top 6 players and did very little to develop the inexperienced guys he had on his bench (even during the cupcake part of our schedule).  Supposedly, the knock on him during his one year at NO was the same thing...he didn't use his bench, he rode his stars too often.  IMO, Buzz is recruiting the type of team that SHOULD roll 10 deep every night; he now needs to develop trust in all of them and use them consistently if they're ever going to grow into real players...

That said though, I am so psyched for the direction Buzz has this program going...good things are coming, kids...

[MR.HAYWARD]

sorry ICE but if you want to find blame as to why Buzz only played 6 kids you need look no further than Bloomington ,  IN.  We had 6 kids worthy of being on a BE roster.  yet you want a coach that 90 percent of the fanbase said was a bad choice to play 12 deep and risk losing winnable games.  Dont blame buzz for creans inability to assemble a BE worthy roster. 


as an aside I love the people that say just becuase you are playing a short bench that you are not developing the other players.  Hello these kids spend approx.  20 hours a week in practice and play 1 or 2 games if you are a star that might mean you spend 70- minutes aweek playing in games.  If You have never played basketball or coached a lick of it if you think you get better by playing 5-10 minutes of game action versus the 20 hours of practice.  They are devoping the players even if they dont get the 5 minutes that coach potatoies see as so vital in their "development".  the amazing strides Otule made from last year to this are only becuase he got a few minutes in afew games right ?  other wise he couldnt make a local junior high team