NFC North Intelligent, Civilized Discussion 09/10 season

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Agreed on the former. Precedent has been set. Disagree on the latter. When he's said he's coming back, he's come back.

All he has to do is say "I'm coming back" and that pretty much solves it.

Yes, and no.

For some people it will be good enough.

Some people will still come out and rip him.

"He's coming back, huh? Is he going to come in the Saturday before week 1?"

[Hards Alumni]

I understand that Packer fans are rolling their eyes at Brett again, but in reality, what is he supposed to say?

I'm by no means excusing his previous flip/flopping ways... but in all honesty, there is nothing he can say right now that would please anybody. If he says he's retiring, nobody would believe him. If he says he's coming back, people would doubt that as well.

His best bet is to keep a low profile, but he's not the best at that.

The man needs a filter.

He should have said, "I am not making a decision at this time.  As you all know, I love to play football, but I am not the spring chicken I used to be.  I will take some time this off season and evaluate my abilities and drive.  I will not make public statements until I have made up my mind either way."

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/images/01/25/FavreINT.mp3

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

The man needs a filter.

He should have said, "I am not making a decision at this time.  As you all know, I love to play football, but I am not the spring chicken I used to be.  I will take some time this off season and evaluate my abilities and drive.  I will not make public statements until I have made up my mind either way."

I agree with you, but he's never been that polished, which I think is part of his appeal.

He appears genuine when he speaks. (not sure if he is all of the time).

[MUEng92]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/images/01/25/FavreINT.mp3

Is that color commentator at the end forty and a man?

[ChicosBailBonds]

Is that color commentator at the end forty and a man?

It's Vikings announcers supposedly.  They were really going after Favre....

[Jay Bee]

It's Vikings announcers supposedly.  They were really going after Favre....

  Yeah, Paul Allen is the play-by-play guy that was flat out pissed.  Also in the audio, but not freaking out quite as much, is Pete Bercich, who played for the Vikings for about 5 years (but, he's a FIB and went to Notre Dame, so there you go...).  On the audio, it's PA at the beginning.. and the end...

[SaintPaulWarrior]

  Yeah, Paul Allen is the play-by-play guy that was flat out pissed.  Also in the audio, but not freaking out quite as much, is Pete Bercich, who played for the Vikings for about 5 years (but, he's a FIB and went to Notre Dame, so there you go...).  On the audio, it's PA at the beginning.. and the end...

PA was so confident of a Super Bowl that he was already making reservations for Miami last week. And I don't blame him.   I wonder if he was taking his crack head side kick on his morning show with him?

[MUEng92]

I guess I am not sure which one it was at the end, but he sounded exactly like that college coach Mike Gundy.

[ChicosBailBonds]

http://www.bestweekever.tv/2010-01-25/utter-despair-sounds-like-the-local-minnesota-vikings-announcers/

[MU B2002]

Bears Hire Martz...


http://www.chicagobears.com/news/NewsStory.asp?story_id=6521


Not quite sure what I think.

[Dish]

Not much else they could do. After Bates went to Seattle, they were essentially stuck. I don't blame people for turning down the job. Why someone would want to have little to no job security made the job unattractive. Martz was desperate to get back into coaching, so all in all, the move made sense on that front, combined with Martz's and Lovie's history together.

[MU B2002]

Why someone would want to have little to no job security made the job unattractive.

Due to Lovie's current "lame duck" status?

[Dish]

Correct, and from what I had heard previously, they were offering a 1 year deal with a club option for 2011. I'm not sure what Martz's deal looks like, but no coach/person would find that attractive.

[LON]

Correct, and from what I had heard previously, they were offering a 1 year deal with a club option for 2011. I'm not sure what Martz's deal looks like, but no coach/person would find that attractive.

Also unattractive:  The Bears' offense.

/had to

[Moonboots]

I don't know about everyone else, but this worries me as a Packer fan.  There's no denying Cutler has talent, and there's no denying Martz' ability to work with QBs and teach his offense effectively.  Sure, there's downsides.  He doesn't keep enough protection in oftentimes and it leads to his QBs getting killed.  But there's lots of options, lots of combination routes, and plenty of looks downfield.  Cutler is plenty tough enough to take those hits, I think, and I'm worried about what might happen if they land a couple talented WRs either in free agency or the draft.

This signing hits me the same way the Gregg Williams signing did in New Orleans last off season.  Kind of under the radar, but overtaking a unit with a couple talented pieces that really weren't being utilized or motivated correctly.  I even said something about the Williams signing in the old pissing match thread late last off season.  Martz is a bit eccentric, but he really knows his stuff when it comes to designing a passing offense, which is what it takes to win in the NFL right now.

Do I think the Bears have the people to compete for a division title next year?  Maybe, but that defense is in dire need of young talent, and the offensive line needs at least a cursory revamp if they want Martz's offense to be at all effective.  They might be closer than the rest of us think if Martz can get to Cutler, though.

[NavinRJohnson]

This is great news for Packer and Viking fans (as far as next year goes anyway). Just a dumb move. There will be entirely new personnel and coaching staffs in Chicago a year from now.

[SaintPaulWarrior]

This is great news for Packer and Viking fans (as far as next year goes anyway). Just a dumb move. There will be entirely new personnel and coaching staffs in Chicago a year from now.

What about Detroit fans...are you trying to say that this is a 3 team division?

So how is it a dumb move?  According to your post it does not matter who they hire, they will all be gone anyway.  So no matter who they hire it would be a dumb move according to you.

[LON]

What about Detroit fans...are you trying to say that this is a 3 team division?

So how is it a dumb move?  According to your post it does not matter who they hire, they will all be gone anyway.  So no matter who they hire it would be a dumb move according to you.

Probably thinks it is dumb because they need to put a whole new offense in that will probably be scrapped for another one at this time next year.  Or maybe that they should have promoted from within if no one is going to be around in the coming years.

EDIT:  punctuation

[SaintPaulWarrior]

Probably thinks it is dumb because they need to put a whole new offense in that will probably be scrapped for another one at this time next year.

EDIT:  punctuation

Or it could be Martz's audition for the following years head coaching postion.

[NavinRJohnson]

So how is it a dumb move?  According to your post it does not matter who they hire, they will all be gone anyway.  So no matter who they hire it would be a dumb move according to you.

When did I say that?

I am saying that this move is just another dumb move in a long line of dumb moves, and will lead them to another losing season which will more or less be the final straw for Lovie and Angelo.

Absolutely the wrong guy for their personnel, and with a lack of draft picks, they simply are not going to be able to remake the roster enough to make a difference. The result will be another bad, joke of a season, and the house cleaning that should have taken place over the last month, will take place next year.

The indictments could not be more obvious...the two teams they faced in the NFC Championship and Super Bowl 3 years ago will be playing each other on Sunday, while the Bears can't get out of their own way, and haven't been back to the playoffs since.  

[SaintPaulWarrior]

When did I say that?

I am saying that this move is just another dumb move in a long line of dumb moves, and will lead them to another losing season which will more or less be the final straw for Lovie and Angelo.

Absolutely the wrong guy for their personnel, and with a lack of draft picks, they simply are not going to be able to remake the roster enough to make a difference. The result will be another bad, joke of a season, and the house cleaning that should have taken place over the last month, will take place next year.

The indictments could not be more obvious...the two teams they faced in the NFC Championship and Super Bowl 3 years ago will be playing each other on Sunday, while the Bears can't get out of their own way, and haven't been back to the playoffs since.  

Agree 100%.  I thought you were just saying hiring Martz was a dumb move. 

[Dish]

I don't know if it's as dumb as it was a predictable move. I don't see how it changes anything drastic in the short term. They'll most likely be 7-9 again next year, and clean house. If anything it's a good long term move, as it seals Lovie and Angelo's fate. The Cowher overtures are legit, mainly due to the presence of Cutler. If hiring Martz now means Cowher long term, sign me up.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I picked the Colts earlier in this thread.

I was wrong. I admit it.

I really thought it was Payton's year.

Congrats to the Saints. They played an awesome game.

[reinko]

I picked the Colts earlier in this thread.

I really thought it was Payton's year.

It was Payton's year.  Not just Peyton's year.