Author Topic: You want lemonade? (Read 5345 times)

tower912 · « **on:** September 18, 2009, 03:08:33 PM »

OK, in Rosiak's article, it says that it takes 4-6 months to recover from this injury. If JR has youth, vitality, and rapid healing on his side, he could be recovered by the end of January. (Hey, I completely and freely acknowledge this is wildly optimistic) If so, do you want him on the court in February, burning a year of eligibility for a few minutes a night? Personally, I say no. We all saw what happens to a player in Buzz' system who falls behind in learning defensive rotations. He could decide to play and only see the floor for 10 minutes the rest of the year.

Tugg Speedman · « **Reply #1 on:** September 18, 2009, 03:10:58 PM »

What if the team is doing better than expectations and is, say, 8th or 9th in the BE? That would make them a bubble team for the NCAA.

If so, now do you want Junior to come back?

Skatastrophy · « **Reply #2 on:** September 18, 2009, 03:13:13 PM »

I'd say no, personally.

I'm looking forward to Cadougan being around the program and maturing for a while before we start relying on him for PT.

To play devils advocate to myself: If Cadougan doesn't play then Buycks will be our only returning guard with any PT... which could end up being a rough situation.

pillardean · « **Reply #3 on:** September 18, 2009, 03:35:49 PM »

Quote from: Skatastrophy on September 18, 2009, 03:13:13 PM

I'd say no, personally.

I'm looking forward to Cadougan being around the program and maturing for a while before we start relying on him for PT.

To play devils advocate to myself: If Cadougan doesn't play then Buycks will be our only returning guard with any PT... which could end up being a rough situation.

I would still go for the no.

Let the kid settle down, get FULLY healthy and get a good grip of classwork under his belt as a freshman.
I mean, he's still coming in as a freshman.
If he were a Junior with extensive PT in the Big East and were, let's say, 2nd team all BEast the year before--yeah, let him come back for the stretch run. But he is only a freshman. Why rush him into something without getting antiquated with the team properly.

Let's say the team is a bubble team.
I don't think that changes anything. He would have missed most of the season. Remember Mbakwe? He didn't look like he fit at all when he came back for the last part of his freshman year (And we all know how that turned out).

IMHO I think the best thing to do Junior and for the team would be to redshirt him this year.
This year may be a struggle, but not as bad as some are fearing it to be.

muarmy81 · « **Reply #4 on:** September 18, 2009, 03:36:58 PM »

But spending a year around the program vs a "fresh" new freshman will have a different outcome next year when Junior starts playing.

groove · « **Reply #5 on:** September 18, 2009, 03:37:52 PM »

There is no way he is playing this year. It usually takes a year to be fully recovered.

Litehouse · « **Reply #6 on:** September 18, 2009, 03:40:29 PM »

The only situation I could see bringing him back is if there was a mid/late season injury to one of the other guards.

Golden Avalanche · « **Reply #7 on:** September 18, 2009, 03:56:56 PM »

We already did something similar with Trevor Mbakwe. Disaster.

At least this solves our PG recruit issues for 2010.

MUfan2 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 18, 2009, 04:16:08 PM »

Somehow if we pull off a couple of unexpected wins, are sitting firmly on the bubble with a few weeks left, some people may be changing their tune.

I'm not one of them. I thought it was a huge disaster to bring Mbakwe back when we did, but sometimes you have to leave that decision up to the player, and if Junior insists on playing, it'd be tough to deny him that.

Nukem2 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 18, 2009, 04:43:02 PM »

Junior won't even be able to do much until February. By then, he will have missed all of the pre-season workouts, the pre-season, the NC schedule and a chunk of the BE season. As a freshman PG on the mend, I think thats way to much to miss and be effective, not to mention the risk of re-injury. I suspect he will be shut down for the season. I would not bring him back unless he has a very early and full recovery.

Daniel · « **Reply #10 on:** September 18, 2009, 04:45:58 PM »

Dream or not, Achilles tendon surgery is tough stuff. Recovery is painful and long. I went through it once, and it was months before I was walking without a limp. Long time ago, and maybe technology has improved, but whether we are a bubble team or not, I do not think we will see Junior on the court playing for us this year. The Achilles is needed for all your foot movements - jumping, pivoting, anything. It's a long road to recovery - and dependeing on how bad the rupture is (mine was severed in two pieces) may determine his future next year.

I pray for it to be a more minor rupture, easy suregery and quick recovery - our prayers are with this young man. It is tough for him to be sure.

DomJamesToTheBasket · « **Reply #11 on:** September 18, 2009, 05:05:07 PM »

I wonder where Rosiak gets his info??? 4-6 months is a joke. Every athlete that I've seen rupture an achilles was unable to get back to 100%. It is a devestating injury that is very rare and unfortunately seems to have some reoccurrence. Former NFL cb Bryant Westbrook ruptured his achilles twice, so did NFL wr Ron Curry(maybe 3 times?).

MR.HAYWARD · « **Reply #12 on:** September 18, 2009, 05:21:59 PM »

unable to get back to 100% ahhh wrong! does it take a long time like a year yes. Unable wrong...

77ncaachamps · « **Reply #13 on:** September 18, 2009, 05:47:33 PM »

Trevor was back earlier than expected = no advantage to MU
DJ back after an injury earlier than expected = little advantage to MU

Having Junior repaired, healed, and stronger after redshirting a year = more of an advantage to MU

Pakuni · « **Reply #14 on:** September 18, 2009, 05:53:34 PM »

How is an Achilles tendon rupture treated?

Dr. Barnett: Most young, healthy athletes on the high school, college or professional level recover more quickly and require less rehabilitation when their Achilles is repaired surgically. The two ends of the tendon are sewn together and the foot and lower leg are placed in a cast with the foot pointed down to lessen the tension on the repaired tendon. In older, less active individuals, we favor a more conservative approach, which involves casting and a lengthy period of immobilization. Regardless of the treatment, you're looking at a six- to 12-week recovery period. It is almost always a season-ending injury for the athlete because of the tenuous situation with the blood supply to the area. Complete healing needs to take place or there is a possibility of recurrence.

http://espn.go.com/trainingroom/s/1999/0915/59775.html

77ncaachamps · « **Reply #15 on:** September 18, 2009, 06:00:25 PM »

Just thought about it...

He and the MU staff's gonna have to monitor his weight as well as weight gain can impede/complicate his recovery.

MUSF · « **Reply #16 on:** September 18, 2009, 07:52:35 PM »

Quote from: MR.HAYWARD on September 18, 2009, 05:21:59 PM

unable to get back to 100% ahhh wrong! does it take a long time like a year yes. Unable wrong...

Wow Hayward didn't know you were a medical expert too!

Actually, depending on the severity, some people never fully recover from an injury like this. That probably won't be the case with Jr due to his age, health, and physical condition but it is a possiblility. Let's pray that Jr has a quick and full recovery.

Hards Alumni · « **Reply #17 on:** September 18, 2009, 08:01:30 PM »

Quote from: MUSF on September 18, 2009, 07:52:35 PM

Wow Hayward didn't know you were a medical expert too!

Actually, depending on the severity, some people never fully recover from an injury like this. That probably won't be the case with Jr due to his age, health, and physical condition but it is a possiblility. Let's pray that Jr has a quick and full recovery.

about what I was going to say.

recovered, and being able to play high level college basketball are two different things.

Prediction: Out at least until after the Tournament.

GOMU1104 · « **Reply #18 on:** September 18, 2009, 08:08:19 PM »

Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on September 18, 2009, 03:56:56 PM

At least this solves our PG recruit issues for 2010.

What? There weren't/aren't any issues. Blue is likely still option #1. This injury doesn't change anything.

spartan3186 · « **Reply #19 on:** September 19, 2009, 12:53:50 AM »

Quote from: tower912 on September 18, 2009, 03:08:33 PM

OK, in Rosiak's article, it says that it takes 4-6 months to recover from this injury. If JR has youth, vitality, and rapid healing on his side, he could be recovered by the end of January. (Hey, I completely and freely acknowledge this is wildly optimistic) If so, do you want him on the court in February, burning a year of eligibility for a few minutes a night? Personally, I say no. We all saw what happens to a player in Buzz' system who falls behind in learning defensive rotations. He could decide to play and only see the floor for 10 minutes the rest of the year.

I like this type of thinking. I made this type of prediction after the DJ injury last.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=12974.msg116077#msg116077

While we obviously did not do quite as well as I had hoped, DJ came back after 4 weeks and played for us in the tourney. I'm with tower on this one. I'm wildly optimistic.

CAINMUTINY · « **Reply #20 on:** September 19, 2009, 09:13:58 AM »

Seeing DJ play in that game last year was one of my proudest moments for MU basketball; however if was clear that he was less than 100% and not nearly the player he was prior to the injury. I would love to see junior play, but the program would be better served if he just took a medical red-shirt.

TallTitan34 · « **Reply #21 on:** September 21, 2009, 04:04:06 PM »

Quote from: The Golden Avalanche on September 18, 2009, 03:56:56 PM

We already did something similar with Trevor Mbakwe. Disaster.

At least this solves our PG recruit issues for 2010.

As late in the year as Trevor was activated I'm guessing Crean knew he wouldn't be sticking around all for years, thus having nothing to lose.

Nukem2 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 22, 2009, 01:25:31 PM »

Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 21, 2009, 04:04:06 PM

As late in the year as Trevor was activated I'm guessing Crean knew he wouldn't be sticking around all for years, thus having nothing to lose.

As you stated, you are guessing.

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