Vander Blue Down To 5

[nyg]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4419306

Florida also has the reincarnation of Niv.

[ChicosBailBonds]

On my facebook newsfeed today I saw Blue asking Erik Williams for his phone number. I guess both Williams are on the recruiting trail.

And yes I do make friend requests to MU players. Heck Im facebook friends with so many of them I even got a friend request from Terry Sanders the other day lol

You need to be careful, the NCAA is cracking down on this.  You may be considered a booster

[Ellenson Guerrero]

Is it problematic if I am merely facebook friends with them? I haven't made any contact with them other than a friend request. I mainly just like to see their statuses, pics and videos. I really have no idea of the specific rules.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Is it problematic if I am merely facebook friends with them? I haven't made any contact with them other than a friend request. I mainly just like to see their statuses, pics and videos. I really have no idea of the specific rules.

I don't know, it's all virgin territory and the NCAA is still trying to get their heads around some of this stuff.  I know the NCAA has already stated using facebook to try and lure kids to a school is against the rules.   For example, setting up a Vander Blue come to Morehead State page.  But I'd suspect the NCAA would feel that if any booster reached out to a player to talk to them on facebook, it would be no different then a booster calling them on the phone, sending them a letter, or emailing them.

It's just not worth doing with any prospects.  With current players, I have no idea what the new rules are.  It would be worth finding out from the MU compliance office.

[lurch91]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=4419306

Florida also has the reincarnation of Niv.

With a name like Nimrod, I can't see any opposing team ever making fun of him.

[ZiggysFryBoy]

I don't know, it's all virgin territory and the NCAA is still trying to get their heads around some of this stuff.  I know the NCAA has already stated using facebook to try and lure kids to a school is against the rules.   For example, setting up a Vander Blue come to Morehead State page.  But I'd suspect the NCAA would feel that if any booster reached out to a player to talk to them on facebook, it would be no different then a booster calling them on the phone, sending them a letter, or emailing them.

It's just not worth doing with any prospects.  With current players, I have no idea what the new rules are.  It would be worth finding out from the MU compliance office.

1)  Mail $5 to the UW@Madison.  Make check payable to B. Alverez.
2)  Set up a "Vander to UW" page.
3)  Self report to the NCAA.

[Blackhat]

4) Repeat 3 more times

[Brewtown Andy]

5) ???
6) Profit

[LON]

7) cut hole in box
8) ...
9) have Bo Ryan open that box

[rocky_warrior]

Is it problematic if I am merely facebook friends with them? I haven't made any contact with them other than a friend request. I mainly just like to see their statuses, pics and videos. I really have no idea of the specific rules.

I am no expert either, however (using common sense), as long as you're only friends with MU players that already have a LOI, then I don't think there would be any problem.  In general, wait until commits get to campus and start taking classes before you "friend" them.

[wyoMUfan]

7) cut hole in box
8) ...
9) have Bo Ryan open that box

And that's the way you do it!
Cause were smart enough to know when a gift needs givin...

[thanooj]

7) cut hole in box
8) ...
9) have Bo Ryan open that box

"And that's the way you do it!
Cause were smart enough to know when a gift needs givin..."

Hah, Hah, hahhahahahahhahahahhhahahahhahahhahahahahhaha.   

Bo opens the box. . . awesome.

[Hards Alumni]

I don't know, it's all virgin territory and the NCAA is still trying to get their heads around some of this stuff.  I know the NCAA has already stated using facebook to try and lure kids to a school is against the rules.   For example, setting up a Vander Blue come to Morehead State page.  But I'd suspect the NCAA would feel that if any booster reached out to a player to talk to them on facebook, it would be no different then a booster calling them on the phone, sending them a letter, or emailing them.

It's just not worth doing with any prospects.  With current players, I have no idea what the new rules are.  It would be worth finding out from the MU compliance office.

I'd say until they have a policy concerning it, it is free territory.

I am not suggesting recruiting players on facebook...

what I am saying is that friending someone would never be against the NCAA rules... you could easily prove it if you had to.

these kids are allowed to have social networking sites... as long as you aren't a part of the team or a major donor I don't see how you could be considered a booster.

unless you are like chico and take the word "booster" to its most liberal interpretation... which the NCAA wouldn't do.

[bilsu]

MU has one real scholarship left (two if they oversign). Hopefully, they get a commitment from Walker or Droseurs(sp). Given that Blue will probably not commit to late October or November does Buzz even wait for him? Personally, I think the scholies will be filled before Blue makes a decision.

[lurch91]

7) cut hole in box
8) ...
9) have Bo Ryan open that box

But will you have to wait for Christmas?

And let's not forget about Mother's Day.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I'd say until they have a policy concerning it, it is free territory.

I am not suggesting recruiting players on facebook...

what I am saying is that friending someone would never be against the NCAA rules... you could easily prove it if you had to.

these kids are allowed to have social networking sites... as long as you aren't a part of the team or a major donor I don't see how you could be considered a booster.

unless you are like chico and take the word "booster" to its most liberal interpretation... which the NCAA wouldn't do.

Well, I beg to differ.....please see the NCAA guidelines on this as explained by the Pac Ten and the West Coast conference on Internet Chat rooms, message boards and social networking.



(1) The NCAA does not consider the boosters who run these Web sites to be members of the media. Therefore, when the administrators of these sites contact a prospective student-athlete (an individual who has started classes for the ninth grade), interview them and place that interview on their Web site, Saint Mary's is responsible for an impermissible contact. Recently, the University of Kentucky had a situation where some football recruits were interviewed by the administrator of such a Web site, which resulted in a violation for Kentucky. As a result of this violation, the university had to declare both recruits (who eventually signed with Kentucky) ineligible and appeal to the NCAA to have their eligibility reinstated.

(2) Boosters participating on a message board are not permitted to write, call or e-mail a recruit. Sometimes we will read on a message board that someone thinks it is okay to contact a prospect once they sign a National Letter of Intent with an institution. However, that signing does not change the fact he or she is still a prospect and all prohibitions against booster contact continue to apply. We often also hear comments that because a person is not a graduate of that particular institution or a season ticket holder, they believe they are not a booster and it is okay for them to contact a prospect. However, part of the NCAA's definition of a booster includes anyone who contacts a recruit on behalf of the institution. Therefore, as soon as someone on a message board e-mails or sends a message out to a recruit, they automatically become a booster and are subject to the NCAA rules prohibiting such contact.

(3) The NCAA considers chat rooms and instant messaging to be telephone calls. Since boosters are not permitted to call a recruit, participating in a chat room with a recruit or instant messaging him or her is not permitted.

[Hards Alumni]

where your argument runs into a trap is that we aren't doing this on behalf of the institution.  We are not paid employees and we are just writing back and forth on a message board.

you can't use your definition of the word booster, or even Webster's definition of booster, to define "booster".  It must be defined in the NCAA rulebook.

allow me to indicate the subjective matter here:

(1) The NCAA does not consider the boosters who run these Web sites to be members of the media. Therefore, when the administrators of these sites contact a prospective student-athlete (an individual who has started classes for the ninth grade), interview them and place that interview on their Web site, Saint Mary's is responsible for an impermissible contact. Recently, the University of Kentucky had a situation where some football recruits were interviewed by the administrator of such a Web site, which resulted in a violation for Kentucky. As a result of this violation, the university had to declare both recruits (who eventually signed with Kentucky) ineligible and appeal to the NCAA to have their eligibility reinstated.

(2) Boosters participating on a message board are not permitted to write, call or e-mail a recruit. Sometimes we will read on a message board that someone thinks it is okay to contact a prospect once they sign a National Letter of Intent with an institution. However, that signing does not change the fact he or she is still a prospect and all prohibitions against booster contact continue to apply. We often also hear comments that because a person is not a graduate of that particular institution or a season ticket holder, they believe they are not a booster and it is okay for them to contact a prospect. However, part of the NCAA's definition of a booster includes anyone who contacts a recruit on behalf of the institution. Therefore, as soon as someone on a message board e-mails or sends a message out to a recruit, they automatically become a booster and are subject to the NCAA rules prohibiting such contact. 


(3) The NCAA considers chat rooms and instant messaging to be telephone calls. Since boosters are not permitted to call a recruit, participating in a chat room with a recruit or instant messaging him or her is not permitted. 

any decent lawyer could poke a thousand holes in this.

The way that you are liberally interpretting this is that NO ONE could ever talk to the kid about attending a specific school.  By your definition, if I was the kid who sat next to him in English my senior year of HS, and I suggested on a message board, or on IM, (heck, if i texted the kid!) that he attend MU that MU would somehow be on the hook for this behavior is pretty preposterous.

[ChicosBailBonds]

where your argument runs into a trap is that we aren't doing this on behalf of the institution.  We are not paid employees and we are just writing back and forth on a message board.

you can't use your definition of the word booster, or even Webster's definition of booster, to define "booster".  It must be defined in the NCAA rulebook.

allow me to indicate the subjective matter here:


any decent lawyer could poke a thousand holes in this.

The way that you are liberally interpretting this is that NO ONE could ever talk to the kid about attending a specific school.  By your definition, if I was the kid who sat next to him in English my senior year of HS, and I suggested on a message board, or on IM, (heck, if i texted the kid!) that he attend MU that MU would somehow be on the hook for this behavior is pretty preposterous.

Exactly.....but you're selling the NCAA short to think they are anything but preposterous.  That's exactly what they are.  And their definition of a booster is all that matters, not mine or yours or Webster's.  If you donate, you're a booster.  If you buy season tickets, you're a booster.  If your company is a sponsor, you're a booster.  If you donate your time to the athletic department, you're a booster.  Etc, etc.

[Hards Alumni]

Exactly.....but you're selling the NCAA short to think they are anything but preposterous.  That's exactly what they are.  And their definition of a booster is all that matters, not mine or yours or Webster's.  If you donate, you're a booster.  If you buy season tickets, you're a booster.  If your company is a sponsor, you're a booster.  If you donate your time to the athletic department, you're a booster.  Etc, etc.

right, which is why I am saying that they should clearly define the word booster.  I hardly think that they could consider any of us on this board (as long as we don't donate  ) "boosters".  And if they did, they would have a tough time proving it if someone decided to call B.S. and get legally involved.

[bilsu]

Regardless of whether it is legal or not, I can assume Buzz would not want us invloved with recruits. Leave the recruitng to Buzz & his staff.

[rocky_warrior]

Ok - while you two argue about recruits and boosters, the original post was about the guys that are already on campus (I believe).

Like I said before, if they're already a Marquette student, then contact is fine (well, I mean, like facebook stuff - obviously no gifts

However, leave recruits alone.  'nuff said.

[ChicosBailBonds]

The NCAA wants ambiguity on the booster definition (in my opinion).  In my opinion, it's better to be safe than sorry and we should stay away from facebook friendships with student athletes.  It's very easy to track those associations and only takes a few people from rival schools to cause MU problems....that is until the NCAA changes their definitions on this stuff which I do not think they will.  They are "technology neutral" in their application of their rules.





Here's how it is defined (the one in red is very vague)


What is a "booster?" (a.k.a. Representative of Marquette University's Athletics Interests)

You become a booster if:

You have ever been a member of any organization promoting Marquette University
You have ever made any type of donation to MU Athletics, or a MU booster organization
You assisted in any manner the recruitment of a prospective student-athlete,
You have ever assisted in providing benefits to enrolled student-athletes or their families
You are the parent or legal guardian of an enrolled student-athlete,
You have promoted MU Athletics in any other manner.



Once an individual is identified as a "booster" the individual retains the booster identity forever. NCAA rules hold Marquette University responsible for all actions of its athletics representatives and boosters. Any booster involved in a NCAA violation may lose benefits and privileges associated with the athletic program. Such benefits and privileges may include, without limitation, ticket privileges that may be withheld by Marquette University for a period of time deemed to be reasonably appropriate by the NCAA, Big East or MU. The revocation of ticket privileges may result in a booster being denied admittance to any MU hosted athletics event.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Regardless of whether it is legal or not, I can assume Buzz would not want us invloved with recruits. Leave the recruitng to Buzz & his staff.

+1

[Daniel]

So contributing to the Blue & Gold fund makes you a booster?

[ChicosBailBonds]

So contributing to the Blue & Gold fund makes you a booster?

Absolutely