MU recruiting gone stale?

[Golden Avalanche]

Marquette has been mentioned with ALOT of players throughout the summer. We will have a better idea where we stand, when we see who comes in for the Elite Camp, and then who has MU on their list of official visits.

That's why I write its quiet. I'm beyond the point of caring when we are mentioned with a recruit. Call it "list-fatigue". After some time, you realize that just being on the list is no news at all.

Hell, at one point we were firmly on the lists of both Tobias Harris and Kyrie Irving. Most often, being mentioned is simply a tease for the fan.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

If thats what you are expecting shouldn't you at least give Buzz a "couple of years" before you declare our recruiting has gone stale? I've been impressed with what Buzz (a guy with no real coaching prestige) has been able to bring in so far. With a short time frame to work with he put together a well respected class. I would give him at least until Madness until you start judging his work on 2010-11.

+1.

I'm not sure you can proclaim him a recruiting dynamo, or a failure at this point.

He's looking really good in some areas (and carries a good rep), but the proof will obviously be on the court in the next couple of seasons.

[Skatastrophy]

I wouldn't consider the 2009 Class an "anchor class," as the only guaranteed starters in that class are Cadougan and Maymon.

Do you really thing that Cadougan will be starting, even though he's caught up in the clearinghouse without a day of practice yet?

I wouldn't be surprised if it took him a couple months to catch up to where the other guys are.

[GOMU1104]

Do you really thing that Cadougan will be starting, even though he's caught up in the clearinghouse without a day of practice yet?

I wouldn't be surprised if it took him a couple months to catch up to where the other guys are.

He may take some time this year to get into the flow, and catch up, but that shouldnt take too long. 

He will be the starting PG all 4 years.

[bma725]

He may take some time this year to get into the flow, and catch up, but that shouldnt take too long. 

He will be the starting PG all 4 years.

Shouldn't take too long?  Do you not recall how long it took Lazar to get acclimated to the game and the team, and he wasn't playing a position as important as PG. 

Unless Junior gets cleared very soon, expecting him to start this year is a bit much.

[GOMU1104]

Shouldn't take too long?  Do you not recall how long it took Lazar to get acclimated to the game and the team, and he wasn't playing a position as important as PG. 

Unless Junior gets cleared very soon, expecting him to start this year is a bit much.

Assuming he gets cleared, he will be the starter (or recieve starter minutes) if only because there aren't any other options. JC is the only true PG on the roster.  Buycks can play the PG, but what about after that?

[Skatastrophy]

Assuming he gets cleared, he will be the starter (or recieve starter minutes) if only because there aren't any other options. JC is the only true PG on the roster.  Buycks can play the PG, but what about after that?

Buycks is supposedly doing well thus far.  Cubillan can spell the PG from time to time.  DJO is also a combo-guard.

We may not have a true PG, but we have a couple guys that can get the ball up the floor so we can run our offense before Cadougan loses some weight and gets his head around our offense.

[tower912]

Of all of the recruits that Buzz has landed since he arrived at MU, how many had early indications they were coming to MU?    Who, if anybody, had the message boards babbling prior to his declaration?    I can't remember one.    Suddenly, seemingly out of nowhere, there was an announcement.    And everybody went, "huh?", "who?", "whoa", "wow", "how did Buzz manage that?"   
       So my answer to the original question is no.   Buzz is out there working and I predict there are still two relatively highly ranked recruits to be named for the '10' class.

[VegasWarrior77]

Don't we only have one schollie left for 2010?

[Skatastrophy]

Don't we only have one schollie left for 2010?

One left for this year and one left for next year.  Remember that Acker "decided not to return."

[bma725]

One left for this year and one left for next year.  Remember that Acker "decided not to return."

It's really the same scholarship though.  There were originally three available in 2010, one of them just became available earlier than normal.  The only way to use it on multiple players would be getting a one and done guy for this year.

[tower912]

O-V-E-R-S-I-G-N-I-N-G

[pbiflyer]

You may not have noticed, but 2010 isn't exactly a great year for Texas recruiting especially when you look at what is available and what MU needs.

The top guy, Perry Jones committed to Baylor back in 2007.  We went after Daniel Alexander but he didn't want to leave the state despite some of those around him trying to push him to MU.  Cameron Clark and Julian Washburn are 6'6 small forwards that can't play the 4 and can't play the 2.  MU already has 5 guys that overlap that position for at least a portion of a 2010 kids career.  Phil Pressey eliminated MU awhile ago because he doesn't want to go to a school where he can't start right away.

That leaves only Rickey Scott and Michael Cobbins, and MU is heavily involved with both of them.

What gives you the right to come to a bulletin board and have the audacity to spew FACTS??????? 

[radome]

I'm not sure that Adams would've helped us but something like this might have been a nice fix without costing us in the future.

Centenary's Adams transferring to Pitt, eligible immediately
Aug. 10, 2009
CBSSports.com wire reports 

PITTSBURGH -- Chase Adams, a point guard at Centenary who was the defensive player of the year last season in the Summit League, is transferring to Pittsburgh for his senior season and will be eligible immediately.

Adams doesn't have to sit out a season because Centenary is dropping from NCAA Division I to Division III.

The 5-foot-10 Adams averaged 14 points and shot 39 percent from 3-point range last season. He supplies depth at a position where the Panthers must replace Levance Fields, a three-year starter who helped lead the Panthers to an NCAA regional final last season.

Ashton Gibbs, a shooting guard, is expected to move to point guard. The only other Pitt player at the position is redshirt freshman Travon Woodall.

[VegasWarrior77]

Wouldn't Adams be comparable to Acker?

[radome]

Wouldn't Adams be comparable to Acker?

I think so.  I am more interested in the concept than the player.  Hopefully, Buzz, et al. are all over looking for a fill.  I think that we would be looking for a practice player or walk on so that the future begins to develop.

Interesting USA Today article (in the recent news section).  Very critical of Buzz for *not* developing other players around the starting five + Butler.  Not sure what to think of it.  We didn't have depth to use last year but I can understand why Buzz would be reluctant to pull a "Adams" and take PT away from the new guys.

[lurch91]

Which is exactly how Buzz likes it...most of Buzz's recent targets have been guys that few knew we were in on so i'm sure he's working the trail.

I think it's been said before, that Buzz plays his hand close to the vest, while the former coach would intentional seed rumors it seems.

[wyoMUfan]

I would ignore the USA today post. its obviously yesterdays news.
acker isn't playing anymore duh.

[GGGG]

I think so.  I am more interested in the concept than the player.  Hopefully, Buzz, et al. are all over looking for a fill.  I think that we would be looking for a practice player or walk on so that the future begins to develop.

Interesting USA Today article (in the recent news section).  Very critical of Buzz for *not* developing other players around the starting five + Butler.  Not sure what to think of it.  We didn't have depth to use last year but I can understand why Buzz would be reluctant to pull a "Adams" and take PT away from the new guys.

What other players should have been developed?  Fulce?  Hurt.  Otule?  Well...OK I think Buzz was actually headed down that path until it was shown that he was completely in over his head.  Hazel?  See Otule.  Cubillan or Acker?  Known commodities. 

You don't develop players during a season where you are senior dominated and expected to excel.  If DJ doesn't get hurt, they are for sure in the Sweet 16 and have a legit shot at the Final Four.  You don't sacrifice that to develop players that hurt you significantly when they are on the floor.

[thanooj]

Marquette has been mentioned with ALOT of players throughout the summer. We will have a better idea where we stand, when we see who comes in for the Elite Camp, and then who has MU on their list of official visits.

So in another thread a local recruit being pursued by many schools including UNC said he will be playing at our elite camp.  What do you all make of that?  Is it a good thing?  Or is it a non - factor in recruiting.