burke vs grimm

[thanooj]

Who was better?  As a fourth year player starting regularly for the first time, playing decent minutes for the first time, which player was better?

[Hards Alumni]

Burke... Grimm was much larger and did about the same... and was higher rated out of HS IIRC...

[dsfire]

Burke, without a doubt.  Also, per Grimm's wiki page, he played and started more his junior year than senior year.

[MR.HAYWARD]

Burke by far significantly better defender

[MUfan2]

Burke, hands down.  Unless you're counting moving screens, then Grimm has him by about 100.

[reinko]

December of 2007, Burke vs. UW...debate over

[Skatastrophy]

December of 2007, Burke vs. UW...debate over

For those of you with a memory as fuzzy as mine, that's the game that MU broke UW@Madison's 28 game home win streak.  Burke put up 12 points and snatched 9 rebounds as well as having 2 blocks against a Badger team that prided themselves on their ability to dominate the boards.  He shot 4-5 from the field and 4-5 from the charity stripe as well.  Only 1 personal foul and 1 turnover during only 17 minutes of play.

[CTWarrior]

If we were playing a team with a Roy Hibbert or Aaron Gray type center, I'd rather have Grimm.  Under anyother circumstances, which is 95% of the time, I'd rather have Burke.  I'd also rather be kneed in the groin than kicked in it, which is a similar question.

[bilsu]

Grimm dislocated his elbow at the end of his junior year. Part of the reason MU finished so badly. The biggest reason of course was the injury to Diener and the melt down of the guard that transferred to LSU. We could of used Grimm against the Lopez twins.

[dsfire]

We had Ooze against the Lopez twins, who was definitely a better option than either Burke or Grimm.  For the 13 minutes that Burke spelled Ooze where Stanford went over the top of him every time down the floor, I think it'd be something of a toss-up as to whether Grimm would've been better - his height would've definitely helped on defense, but he would've been hard-pressed to match Burke's 0 turnovers and possibly even 3 fouls.

[schubert33]

If I remeber right Grimm was 6'10 with the wingspan of someone who was 6 foot!!

[Boone]

Burke, easily. Grimm couldn't score in an empty gym (98 career points) and had an embarrassing rebounds per minute average for a big man (one every 6.7 minutes). He was good for at least one moving pick a game. Not one of Crean's better pickups.

If Grimm's able to play for pay, then there's no reason at all why Burke couldn't do likewise.

[MR.HAYWARD]

wrong on the stanford game ...part of the reason Burke was better than grim is not only was he significantly more athletic he was much much much stronger and while he was often not as athletic and tall as his oponent it was rare that he was not the stronger of the two in the matchup.

[bilsu]

We had Ooze against the Lopez twins, who was definitely a better option than either Burke or Grimm.  For the 13 minutes that Burke spelled Ooze where Stanford went over the top of him every time down the floor, I think it'd be something of a toss-up as to whether Grimm would've been better - his height would've definitely helped on defense, but he would've been hard-pressed to match Burke's 0 turnovers and possibly even 3 fouls.

There was one Ooze and two Lopez's. We could have used Grimm. Remember Crean had Grimm playing power forward.

[thanooj]

So do we expect otule to develop into more than either one of those two in four years?  He is definitely a four year player (not leaving early).  Is he going to be a better option than either of those two by his senior year?  Would you call that a serviceable big man?

[dsfire]

There was one Ooze and two Lopez's. We could have used Grimm. Remember Crean had Grimm playing power forward.

True, though the Lopez twins were only playing at the same time for about half the game, plus we had Lazar + Fitz playing the 4.  Grimm wouldn't have been an upgrade over either of those guys.  Maybe Blackledge's 4 minutes.

[bilsu]

Grimm was a defnsive player. Fitz an offensive player. I am thinking specifiaclly of the winning bucket, which I believe was shot over Burke who was too small to defend it.

[lab_warrior]

I'd have to go with Burke, simply because he did have propensity for scoring every once in a while (see @ Madison, '07) and was at least as good defending as Grimm.  Grimm's only advantage was his size, but he was still a serviceable player.