Tom Crean: Net positive or negative for MU

[tower912]

Still, 13 months later, an astounding amount of vitriol for our former coach from some quarters.   So, for the masses at muscoop, was Tom Crean's tenure at MU a positive or negative?    I think he was a flawed coach, but the program was certainly in a better place when he left than when he arrived.    No scandals, 100% graduation rate, increased student attendance, oh yeah, I almost forgot, a final 4.   He was a demanding boss, did a poor job of recruiting quality bigs, and sometimes failed to make good in-game adjustments.   On a whole, I take option 2.

[The Man in Gold]

Tower, great points I agree with you on most of your thoughts.  Tom Crean was a benefit to MU and help build the program to the level its at today was an average CUSA team a decade ago.

The way he left has certainly exposed some of his flaws, that as some of the critics say we're there the whole time.  Still, when he was our coach he was a very good ambassador of the program to the school, the community, and most of the nation.

Other than the occasional joke, its time to move on and focus on what Buzz is doing to better the program.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I'm embarrassed Marquette is associated with him.

[GOMU1104]

I'm embarrassed Marquette is associated with him.

Real intelligent thought.



He left the program better than he found it. That's what matters.

[jaybilaswho?]

I am happy with the poll results (so far). I am glad that, while some spew stupid comments of hate about Crean, we are able to at least understand what his presence meant to the school. Even with his faults, numerous as they may be, he did good for this program.

I have a family friend and cousin who went to IU and I told them, with Crean at the helm, they will see an Indiana basketball resurgence. He is exactly what that program and University need. His shameless self publication and never ending desire to be in the headlines will help get IU basketball out of the gutter and back on the mainstage, albeit the Big 10 mainstage.

[4everwarriors]

Thankfully some of us saw through his act early on and outed him. Regrettably, some still resist believing the truth.

[GOMU1104]

Thankfully some of us saw through his act early on and outed him. Regrettably, some still resist believing the truth.

Simple question for you and PRN...

True or False:

The program was in better shape when he departed than when he arrived.

[4everwarriors]

A better question for the board would have been:


Re: Marquette University: Net positive or negative for Tom Crean

[GOMU1104]

A better question for the board would have been:


Re: Marquette University: Net positive or negative for Tom Crean

Dont want to answer the question?

[WellsstreetWanderer]

Enough Tom Crean already!

Slow day if this is all anybody wants to talk about. I'm going to watch the Lakers destroy the Jazz

[4everwarriors]

Dont want to answer the question?

Here's the answer to your question. The sad part is whatever accomplishments Crean was a part of while at MU are overshadowed by his complete act. I'm not referring to the manner in which he left. In fact, that was very much in character for him. But rather, he was such a self-promoting fool that he was just not believable. Always had an other motives for his actions. It's too bad also because he could have conducted himself with class and essentially done the same thing. Guess he just isn't smart enough to have done it that way or his ego got in the way.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Simple question for you and PRN...

True or False:

The program was in better shape when he departed than when he arrived.

What difference does it make? I don't care if the guy had consecutive undefeated, national championship seasons. He's a jerkoff and I don't like his name associated with Marquette. Is that so hard to understand?

[77ncaachamps]

My take: Thanks for the memories. NEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXT! (Buzz)

I guess 50+ agrees with me (or vice versa ).

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Great poll.

I think this also speaks to the communication barriers experienced on message boards.

While the vast majority of people feel the same way about TC, he's still the most debated topic.

If we all agree, why are we debating? Probably because context, tone, body language, etc. don't translate on message boards.

[ATWizJr]

an aha moment.  very telling.

[🏀]

If we all agree, why are we debating? Probably because context, tone, body language, etc. don't translate on message boards.

The MAJORITY agree. However, the MINORITY (3-4 posters) do not agree and will continue to be the most vocal in the efforts to not let it go.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

The MAJORITY agree. However, the MINORITY (3-4 posters) do not agree and will continue to be the most vocal in the efforts to not let it go.

Touche.

[BrewCity83]

I'm in the "net positive" camp.

But he's so fun to make fun of.  Not in an angry or bitter way, but we have no motivation to protect one of our own anymore, so we can exploit his flaws for our own amusement.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

The MAJORITY agree. However, the MINORITY (3-4 posters) do not agree and will continue to be the most vocal in the efforts to not let it go.

Did one of those vocal minorities start this poll? 

The people who keep bringing up Tom Crean are the pudwackers who are trying to come to grips with the fact that they've been defending him for YEARS and they are now beginning to understand what a truly loathsome person he is.

I have a feeling if you keep searching for answers about why you ever thought he possessed even an ounce of likability, you'll be looking for a long, long time.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Did one of those vocal minorities start this poll? 

The people who keep bringing up Tom Crean are the pudwackers who are trying to come to grips with the fact that they've been defending him for YEARS and they are now beginning to understand what a truly loathsome person he is.

I have a feeling if you keep searching for answers about why you ever thought he possessed even an ounce of likability, you'll be looking for a long, long time.

I agree with you 100%.

http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=14624.0

However, it took 4Ever only 2 hours to prove you wrong.

[jmayer1]

Thankfully some of us saw through his act early on and outed him. Regrettably, some still resist believing the truth.

I wasn't always the biggest Tom Crean fan, but you have to be a real idiot to think that Tom Crean didn't leave Marquette basketball better than when he took over.

In addition, I'll take Al's opinion a thousand times over PRN, 4Never, The Lens, or Mr. Hayward's.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Did one of those vocal minorities start this poll? 

The people who keep bringing up Tom Crean are the pudwackers who are trying to come to grips with the fact that they've been defending him for YEARS and they are now beginning to understand what a truly loathsome person he is.

I have a feeling if you keep searching for answers about why you ever thought he possessed even an ounce of likability, you'll be looking for a long, long time.

The people that keep bringing up Crean are those in the minority that want to keep bringing him up.  Others simply respond to the original posts....I wouldn't call that "bringing up Crean".

[THEGYMBAR]

Of course he was a positive and now he is part of our history. I would prefer to have a Dukiet poll than continue bashing TC. Some might think he was a jag but cannot argue he was best coach since Al.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Of course he was a positive and now he is part of our history. I would prefer to have a Dukiet poll than continue bashing TC. Some might think he was a jag but cannot argue he was best coach since Al.

Interesting point.

What about Mike Deane?

I agree he wasn't the long term answer for MU, but he won a decent amount of games after ONeil left and didn't let the program drop back to Dukiet levels.

MU certainly could have done worse than Mike Deane. Is he a net positive, no impact either way, or net negative?