Diener and Novak

[nola03]

Seriously? Did you see the guy outside of school? I've got stories on stories about him. He was full of himself, thought he was God's gift to women, thought he was better than he was at basketball. He was a very good player, but a tool nonetheless. My funniest, most favorite stories are girls shooting him down in his face.

I'm shocked that a classmate of a player is bitter toward them. Seems like there are always a few over the last 10-12 years when kids started to take things personally.

As for Diener, perhaps that ego was founded. His first year as a starting PG, he lead the team to a Final Four by winning the Holy Cross game and keeping us in the Missouri game not to mention he was robbed by injury of being the program's scoring leader (albeit no one knew it would fall less then four years later). Lot of people would have a heavy head under those terms.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

Seriously? Did you see the guy outside of school? I've got stories on stories about him. He was full of himself, thought he was God's gift to women, thought he was better than he was at basketball. He was a very good player, but a tool nonetheless. My funniest, most favorite stories are girls shooting him down in his face.

Heard plenty of these stories, for what it's worth. Know some of the women that had these encounters as well.

He is from Fond du Lac ...

[rugbydrummer]

Is the STD curable? Or is it forever, like herpes?



...this just got weird...

EXACTLY.  I mean, depending on who you are, GC/chlamydia is like getting the common cold . . . . so nothing to ya!  Personally, I think syphilis gets the shaft when it comes to that category, i haven't seen a good chancre in a while.  Plus, it's nothing just a little PCN won't cure

Seriously, though, I am overall sad at whatever went down w/ Dwyane and his family

[rugbydrummer]

Heard plenty of these stories, for what it's worth. Know some of the women that had these encounters as well.

He is from Fond du Lac ...

meaning what?  also, newsflash, i doubt anyone's surprised to hear of star college male sports players being full of themselves.  Most any undergrad student hears or witnesses these kinds of stories, and I am sure that collectively there would be encyclopedias full of these stories from campuses across the country.  I am not discounting it or approving, it's just the way things are. Let's be honest, is it surprising?

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

meaning what?  also, newsflash, i doubt anyone's surprised to hear of star college male sports players being full of themselves.  Most any undergrad student hears or witnesses these kinds of stories, and I am sure that collectively there would be encyclopedias full of these stories from campuses across the country.  I am not discounting it or approving, it's just the way things are. Let's be honest, is it surprising?

I tend to agree... but one thing to keep in mind:

The players are celebrities on campus, and every move they make is watched.

I'm certainly not making excuses, but I've see how quickly players can be judged and/or written off as cocky.

If a player is having a bad day/week and doesn't say hi to somebody on campus, it can quickly turn into "he's conceited".

I'm not saying that some of the players don't act cocky... but I also like to cut them some slack because they are under the microscope.

Also: Sometimes acting conceited is not necessarily a personality trait, but just a lack of maturity.

EDIT: Spelling... ugggh

[MU gimp ONE]

i will defend diener and all the basketball players that got a bad rap over the years.  put yourself in their shoes before you judge.  i couldn't tell you how many times i would be talking to one of the guys and a girl runs up all giddy and calls them by the wrong player's name.  most people made it seem like they were pieces of meat there for our entertainment.  also, if you got treated like a celebrity, you would start acting like one, wouldn't you?  chances are if you have ill will towards these guys it's because you probably pulled some d-bag move and tried to get them to show up at your party and they didn't, so now they are jerks. 

i can honestly say, if you weren't a jersery chaser or a complete douche, they were actually nice guys.  diener was especially cool with guys that weren't only wanting to be seen with him because he was on the basketball team.  i never really had much interaction with steve, but i was travis' year and i can say he was a pretty decent guy to most.  it's the few he wasn't decent towards that make the most noise.

[MUfan12]

It really depends on the player. I worked the basketball camps after the Final Four, and it was a mixed bag. Diener was indeed really cocky when he was around the team, but chatting with him on the side he was nice enough. Novak is one of my all-time favorites. I got along really well with Karon Bradley, which was why I was surprised about hearing why he left.

Of the current players I've had conversations with the big four and all of them have seemed like good guys. Lazar especially doesn't take himself too seriously. Dominic has really matured since he got here as well.

[Avenue Commons]

You also have to remember that these are 18-22 year old kids. My friends and I weren't the most mature people to be around, and probably weren't always perfect gentlemen, but that's part of growing up during college. The only difference is the players are in the public's eye.

[Chicago_inferiority_complexes]

meaning what?  also, newsflash, i doubt anyone's surprised to hear of star college male sports players being full of themselves.  Most any undergrad student hears or witnesses these kinds of stories, and I am sure that collectively there would be encyclopedias full of these stories from campuses across the country.  I am not discounting it or approving, it's just the way things are. Let's be honest, is it surprising?

Agree completely.

[mu-rara]

Has anybody ever talked to a male cheerleader...talk about full of themselves for no reason.....

[MU gimp ONE]

Has anybody ever talked to a male cheerleader...talk about full of themselves for no reason.....

they do touch more butts than a catholic priest.  baa zing

[MU in Miami]

Seriously? Did you see the guy outside of school? I've got stories on stories about him. He was full of himself, thought he was God's gift to women, thought he was better than he was at basketball. He was a very good player, but a tool nonetheless. My funniest, most favorite stories are girls shooting him down in his face.

So his biggest character flaws were that he was hetero and had no rap with the ladies...   may summarize the majority of the people I knew at MU.

I've met Travis at one our alumni game events, and he genuinely seemed to be one of most humble and gracious guys--and he loves MU.  Surprised at this trash talk about TD.

[Kramerica]

Diener was a giant douche when he was at MU outside of basketball. That doesn't take away what he did on the court, but outside, he was a douche and many people can attest to that.  Not all basketball players were like that.  For example Todd Townsend was an awesome guy outside the court. 

[New Era Warriors]

Diener was a giant douche when he was at MU outside of basketball. That doesn't take away what he did on the court, but outside, he was a douche and many people can attest to that.  Not all basketball players were like that.  For example Todd Townsend was an awesome guy outside the court. 

are you guys kidding? I'm sure people can say this about you too if they get one bad impression. I'm sure people have gotten a bad impression of me and called me a douche. does that make us arrogant people...hell no! me, my dad, and his two friends were staying in the intercontinental hotel last year and we were hanging out before the game. Travis was there with his girlfriend at the time (don't know if they are still together) and we approached him and started talking to him. he was VERY friendly and he introduced his girlfriend to all of us and we chatted away for about 5 minutes. he was drinking a miller lite and he was very polite and friendly. great guy he was. quit calling him a douche bag from what you heard from other people or what you see from his expressions. wait till you get to know the damn guy before you judge.

BTW. Steve Novak is a great great guy. he got married in my church and his girlfriend is from my town. we ran into him at a graduation party a couple summers ago and he was very friendly. he even played a game of HORSE with some little kids there in the back yard.

GO MU!

[RawdogDX]

You must be new here shooter.
All UW students are douches
All ND students are douches
all MU students from IL are douches
All GT students are douches
ROTC kids? all douches
Frat boys? all douches
Cubs fans? Douches
All announcers? Douches
Refs? Douches, who hate us
Anyone affiliated wtih espn? Douches
Members of the rugby club? Douches
People who drink wine? Douches
Guys who lived in OD? Douches

But that is because everyone other than residents of the state of Wisconsin have 'superiority complexes' and has nothing to do with the people making the judgements.  To think that they fall into any sort of group think paradime that is found everywhere people have ever existed would be CRAZY.

[Skatastrophy]

You must be new here shooter.
All UW students are douches
All ND students are douches
all MU students from IL are douches
All GT students are douches
ROTC kids? all douches
Frat boys? all douches
Cubs fans? Douches
All announcers? Douches
Refs? Douches, who hate us
Anyone affiliated wtih espn? Douches
Members of the rugby club? Douches
People who drink wine? Douches
Guys who lived in OD? Douches

But that is because everyone other than residents of the state of Wisconsin have 'superiority complexes' and has nothing to do with the people making the judgements.  To think that they fall into any sort of group think paradime that is found everywhere people have ever existed would be CRAZY.

I think you're on to something here.  This could be its own thread

MU players that transferred away?  Douches
Those that don't wear gold to home games?  Douches
Crean apologists?  Douches
Anti-Crean zealots?  Douches
People that don't know who Freeway is?  Douches

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Those who complain about the mascot? douches.
Those who don't care about the mascot (either way)? douches.

[MU gimp ONE]

some of the kids from section 106... d-bags
kids that call themselves warriors but didn't know about marquette before the 2003 final four... d-bags
people that have to complain about something after every game... d-bags

[Henry Sugar]

People that focus too much on stats?  Douches
People that ignore stats?  Douches

[rocky_warrior]

Well, since the thread has drifted this far anyway...

People that don't know who Freeway is?  Douches

Seriously?  You know people who don't know Freeway?  Send em to the wiki:
http://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/freeway/start

[IAmMarquette]

People that don't know who Freeway is?  Douches

Freeway? Douche.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Bench players? Douches.

[4everwarriors]

Artificially tanned, bad haircut, too long hanging tie, Diet Pepsi drinking fool=douche bag.

[MU B2002]

Summer's Eve = Douche bag

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