Dashonte Riley

[MR.HAYWARD]

I'm not saying I would be disappointed if we landed Riley, but I would be concerned.

I love Buzz and I think he is going to be a great one for MU, but you have to ask how much he can bite off.  Next year without Riley he will have only 3 seniors and 5 1st year D1 players on the roster.  Everyone this year acquiesces to the Big 4 because they have been there done that....next year there will only be Hayward with any obvious leadership credentials.  The clubhouse chemistry is going to be critical next year with a young team, I don't know that you want to introduce yet another potential chemistry issue in Riley.  If we get Riley and Cubes leaves as a result(big if) then we will have 6 new players and only 2 seniors(Acker and Hayward).  Seems like a lot for Buzz to handle in only his 2nd year as the head coach.

welcome to college basketball...actaully more the norm than the exception anymore...and no different than waht Mu has faced in basically the first 8 years of Creams 9.  Now before anyone goes cookoo for cocoa puffs it is not a knock on your jilted boyfriend, it is simply a reflection that in his first 8 years we had dramatic turnover and a very young inexperienced team, even the FFyear that was the concern and it got worse not gbetter over time until the 3 amigos have been the rock to steady things as of late.  Again not a knock look at schools like Memphis or KAnsas this year look all around.  we will be fine, young sure, we wont have this years luxury but it will put us on par with most schools thank god Buzz signed abig time talented group.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

sorry guys did not try to turn the thread into a "how terrible Crean was thread".  Unfortunaely what happens when someone says Oneil in their own opinion a better recruiter, and I stated why i thought that to be the case.  Gets attacks by people that feel they need to defend the honor of one Tommy Naismith.  to the point of staements like this ...."Then how the F did Tom Crean ever win a game? And if Oneil is so good, why didn't he lead MU to a final four? Also, the GMC was a good conference (we agree), but so was CUSA in 2003 when Crean's team won it."

Now where did I ever say tom Crean was such a terrible recruiter he would never win a agme?  never siad that i said i felt Oneill was abetter recruiter.  

If Oneil is so good why no final 4?  ok now i am not sure what staement/question is more rediculous ...crean never winning  agme or the list of great coaches that did not take a team to the final 4 in their first 5 years.  simply ludicrous, i could counter that with "well then why hasnt Tommy Naismith coached in the NBA", but that would be equally adolescent.

Then saying Crean won a conference titel too, Ok great i have not forgotten that was at probably 15 games that year.  And how should that effect my opinion that Oneill brought in more quality talent over a shorter time, had fewer duds, with vastly less to work with which is how i formulated my opinion that Oneill was a much better recruiter?  

also, yes i did mean #1 conference not 31 #1 sans the caps button.

Let me throw this out there....cowering as a TC defender attacks...could I possibly throw out there an opinion  that Buzz Williams is better at getting Big Men to Mu than The Great One.  Now I realize Buzz has never won a conference title or been to a final 4 ...but i am beginning to form the opinion that Buzz will ge t more and better bigs that Tommy Naismith.  Commence the attacks in defense of our former coach for my blasphemy

I was simply trying to point out what I felt was flawed logic and a complete lack of credit given to Crean.

I think KO was great and did a great job. In fact, I'm not even going to argue who is better Crean or Oneil. It's not the point.

My point is that you can't say/imply that KO was a great recruiter and Crean had "stumblebums", when they both won a lot of games. If that is truly the implication, then Crean must be John Wooden in order to win so many games with his own crappy recruits.

That's it.

[MR.HAYWARD]

lease reread my posts Crean had many stumbums but also had some good recruits, my points all along said Oneill had good recruits under tougher circumstances and very few stumlebums.  not sure why you cannot comprehend that maybe its emotions

[ChicosBailBonds]

lease reread my posts Crean had many stumbums but also had some good recruits, my points all along said Oneill had good recruits under tougher circumstances and very few stumlebums.  not sure why you cannot comprehend that maybe its emotions

Tougher circumstances...maybe.  Easier schedule, easier road to the NCAA tournament for KO then for Crean.  Big East vs MCC...please.  Even Great Midwest vs Big East. Not close.

On the other hand, tougher to get top kids to a mid major conference and that's what MU was in under KO.   

So it really depends on how you're evaluating tougher circumstances.   It's easier to get better players when you're in a better conference, but the competition is so much stiffer it doesn't always translate to wins and losses.  Whereas at a midmajor you can have an easier path to success with players that may not necessarily all be  3 or 4 star players.

[THEGYMBAR]

Was talking to a MU junkie last night and we came to the conclusion that KO seems better now than he did 10y ago. He is the type of guy that probably needs to move jobs every few years...but after the sting of KO being here/gone goes away you start to like him again.

To some MU that KO rubbed the wrong way they could not wait for him to leave. Now looking back with those same fans you can have a ton of laughs with KO stories. I for one am glad he made a stop in Milwaukee.

[ATWizJr]

But, could he have gotten Wilson?

[Marquette_g]

But, could he have gotten Wilson?

I really hope that this was intended to be teal.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

lease reread my posts Crean had many stumbums but also had some good recruits, my points all along said Oneill had good recruits under tougher circumstances and very few stumlebums.  not sure why you cannot comprehend that maybe its emotions

I completely agree. I do have trouble comprehending your posts.

[mwbauer7]

So, do Buzz, Tony or Aki have any sort of relationship with William Wesley?

[downtown85]

So, do Buzz, Tony or Aki have any sort of relationship with William Wesley?

More importantly, do any boosters with fat checkbooks have such a relationship? 

[THEGYMBAR]

ATWiz---Buzz will be getting Wilson. I cannot wait until the annoucement is made. After what I heard last week I'd gladly bet you a steak dinner on Wilson.

[PE8983]

What did you hear last week?

[MUfan12]

ATWiz---Buzz will be getting Wilson. I cannot wait until the annoucement is made. After what I heard last week I'd gladly bet you a steak dinner on Wilson.

I wish I could have taken that bet the other 5 times I've seen you post this  

Just giving you crap... It seems he changes his mind every day so who knows...

[ATWizJr]

Gymbar -  if he does I'll be the first to give you props!

[jmayer1]

ATWiz---Buzz will be getting Wilson. I cannot wait until the annoucement is made. After what I heard last week I'd gladly bet you a steak dinner on Wilson.

I'd take that bet.

[JSwarriors08]

I'd take that bet.

As would I.  I'd love some steak.

[wadesworld]

ATWiz---Buzz will be getting Wilson. I cannot wait until the annoucement is made. After what I heard last week I'd gladly bet you a steak dinner on Wilson.

HAHAHA!

[bilsu]

On the ESPN recruiting site it shows Michigan St. recruiting two players. They are Wilson and Riley and they at this time have one open scholarship. Of the two, I would rather have Riley. One they both have a reputation of not playing upto their talent level. Two we need a 6'11" player more than we need another 6'6" player. Three a player from Michigan could open up the Michigan recruiting area for MU. Georgetown who seems to get a lot of bigmen wanted Riley. He changed his mind about them. The article in which he was quoted at reopening his recruiting made in sound intelligent. How, many 17 year olds would have the strrength to back out on a committment that they were not comfortable with? My guess is that Buzz with like to go with two bigmen. roseborro is listed as a power forward and both riley and McMorrow are suspose to be very mobile and capable of running the floor.

[bma725]

On the ESPN recruiting site it shows Michigan St. recruiting two players. They are Wilson and Riley and they at this time have one open scholarship.

Michigan State got out of the Riley game awhile ago, ESPN is just very slow to update.

[bilsu]

I thought it was Michgan that got out of the recruiting. Up until a couple of weeks ago the site was listing only Wilson as being recrutied by Michigan St. Riley was a recent addition to it.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Was talking to a MU junkie last night and we came to the conclusion that KO seems better now than he did 10y ago. He is the type of guy that probably needs to move jobs every few years...but after the sting of KO being here/gone goes away you start to like him again.

To some MU that KO rubbed the wrong way they could not wait for him to leave. Now looking back with those same fans you can have a ton of laughs with KO stories. I for one am glad he made a stop in Milwaukee.

I'm trying to think of a place KO has been that he is held in high regard after leaving?  MU, UT, NW, Toronto, UA.  There are a lot of scrap piles.  Always been a good X's and O's guy and did a terrific job for MU on the court and recruiting.  The rest of his stuff, no thanks.  Not good, definitely not classy and he's paid a severe price personally as a result, which unfortunately hurt a lot of other people not just him.

[bma725]

I thought it was Michgan that got out of the recruiting. Up until a couple of weeks ago the site was listing only Wilson as being recrutied by Michigan St. Riley was a recent addition to it.

Both of them.  MSU didn't even really show interest after he decommitted from Georgetown.  As of yesterday, he had a list of MU, Cal, Oregon, LSU, Syracuse and Virginia.

[MR.HAYWARD]

give it a freaking rest chicos you melodramatic fool.  Crean is a freeaking Jackass yet he is the best thing to happen to Mu since AL in your mind.  Yet Oniel is a jackass and you want to ponder who all he has hurt including himself.  Was Oneil crass and overbearing sure.  i loved his ability to be real though like buzz tells it like it is even if you dont like what he has to say.  take that any day over a lying snake.  1000X the recruiter and coach that the snake is.  Funny thing to me is read the IU boards  they are severly questioning Creans coaching ability,  yeah no kidding the guy sucked as a coach.  Todd leary former Indiana player and radio talk show is lambasting him for his stand around offense that passes up good shots for bailout shot clock winding down 3's.  That is why I laughed when IU signed that jackass.  People in Indiana know the game and there is no more difficualt place to caoch at any level becuase everyone in Indiana thinks they are an expert on Basketball!!  then this clown comes in and they are watching it ...they cant quite figure it out...the majority are blaming it on the talent and youth...but an increasing majority of them are asking what the hell is this guy doing.  I knew this would happen and absolutely love it.  A state that grew up watching Bobby run motion and Keady teams play and most schools in Indiana run offenses like IU motion derived from Hank Iba and Bob Knight.  Similar to so many schools in Wisky running the swing.  However much more ravenous and passion and then they see this dipshit stand and have his point guard wear a spot in the floor from the standing dribble as on guy is moving and the 1 second left jacked up 3.  seriosly question his basketball intellect...welcome to my world circa 1999.

[ChicosBailBonds]

welcome to college basketball...actaully more the norm than the exception anymore...and no different than waht Mu has faced in basically the first 8 years of Creams 9.  Now before anyone goes cookoo for cocoa puffs it is not a knock on your jilted boyfriend,

What would you call posts by someone that says "my wife and I honestly can't find anything wrong with him....he's an upgrade at every level...."   It comes across as someone infatuated with someone else, so your comments are a bit funny.  It sounds like something you would read in a note in 8th grade.

The only reason some of us here "defend" Crean, as you like to say, is to at least keep the facts with the facts.  Yup, he's a jerk at times, did some unclassy things (also did some very classy things), some of you hated him with every bone in your body (Cura Personalis), but that doesn't change the successess he brought to the school and program.  So what you call "defense" of him, I'd call simply extracting the silly and petty name calling from the realities of where we were when he took over and where we were when he left.

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

Oneil was an arrogant ass. I know to many people that have met him personaly and they hated him. He never trie to promote MU as a program. He was just interest in trying to get as many W's as possible and moving on. He never had any long term planes for MU. He aslo never embraced the media, he nevr tried to promote the program to the alumni and students. He actd like students and alumni were a necessary evil. Sve it KO, MU doesn't/didn't need you. The progrma would hve been fine withot the lieks of you. You can take you slik backd hair and go back to AZ! Aslo, you KNOW he just recruited Gates to be able to promote himself in that movie. Gates wasn't nearly good enogh to play at MU, but oneil took him anyways. Oneil was always angleing for the netx job. I don't know why he's remebered so fondly by some of you sheap arond here. If there was a web borde back when KO left, there would have been 1000 posts blasting him for it, adn he deserved to be blasted.Now, years later, we have people saying things like "He was a straight shooter"... what a bunch of baloney.

*Cue the Oneil lovrs that are ready to tell me how Oneil was great and how much he did for MU.

MU made oneil. He was good for a short time, but I new all alogn that he was bad for the scool. You guys ned to get a cleu.


(who do I sound like?)