Big Ten vs. Big East

[RedWebster]

Never heard of this guy, but he's saying Big Ten is superior.

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/in_the_paint/posts/35163-conference-power-rankings?eref=fromSI

[TallTitan34]

He really supports his arguement when he says the Big East is third overall as a conference but has four or five Final Four teams.  What?

[AlumKCof93]

I don't think many would agree that the Big 10 is better than the Big East, but the Big 10 has played better this year than I anticipated.  But to say the Big 10 is better than the Big East just b/c Minn beat Lville is ridiculous. 

[esotericmindguy]

Yeah, already saw that.....what a joke.  Make an argument if you want, but don't use one source that has Penn. St. Ranked ahead of North Carolina as a point of emphasis. 

Truth is Big east has the best teams 1-12 but they have 3 or 4 bottom feaders that the other conferences don't have, which lowers their RPI.

[MR.HAYWARD]

EVERY CONFERENCE HAS THEIR BOTTOM FEEDERS FOR EXAMPLE IOWA AND IU ARE SIMPLY TERRIBLE

[Wareagle]

"2. Big Ten (96-22, .814, 20-19)
Readers likely will not agree with this ranking, but CollegeRPI.com does. The Big Ten is currently ranked No. 2 behind the ACC in the computer rankings. Five teams are in the Top 25, and even Northwestern checks in at No. 7 in the RPI with a 7-2 pre-conference record that includes wins over Florida State and DePaul."

The same DePaul that lost to Morgan State AT HOME.  This guy's reasoning is garbage.  Say what you will about the RPI, but if you cite a victory over DePaul as a good win you need your head examined.

[bilsu]

The only thing that matters is the NCAA tournament.

[jce]

No, when you are judging the overall quality of the conferences, the Tournament isn't the only thing that matters.  The problem with the BE is that there is a load of crap at the bottom that drags the conference down.  But there isn't a better top 8 in the country.

[tower912]

Go back to the sportsbubbler board, Abe.   Oh, wait.....

[bilsu]

The problem with the BE is that there is a load of crap at the bottom that drags the conference down.  But there isn't a better top 8 in the country.

South Florida is the only team with a losing record and they have two division one transfers becoming eligible for the second semester.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Never heard of this guy, but he's saying Big Ten is superior.

http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/in_the_paint/posts/35163-conference-power-rankings?eref=fromSI

Unranked West Virginia 76, #13 Ohio State 48...IN COLUMBUS, OH


I believe the Big East has clinched the head to head this year already....though I could be wrong

[muarmy81]

Unranked West Virginia 76, #13 Ohio State 48...IN COLUMBUS, OH


I believe the Big East has clinched the head to head this year already....though I could be wrong

Yeah,
#13 Ohio State looked much stronger than unranked WV...abe/err redweb...be gone!

[tower912]

Big 10 basketball is to Big East basketball as Wisconsin is to Florida St in football.   

[augoman]

Big 10 basketball is to Big East basketball as Wisconsin is to Florida St in football.   

amen.

[ChicosBailBonds]

According to college bball stats site, the BEAST is 5-3 vs the BTen.  One game to play.  Looks the BEAST won the season series against the BTEN this year.

[sigep80]

Red's now ignored by 21 of us...

[chrisk1]

According to college bball stats site, the BEAST is 5-3 vs the BTen.  One game to play.  Looks the BEAST won the season series against the BTEN this year.

Pretty much a useless stat unless you take into account which teams played one another and where, don't you think?  Frankly, I think the two conferences are about even this year.  The BE has more elite teams, but it also has more bad teams.  SHU, SJU, Rutgers, PC, Depaul and USF are bad whereas the B11 has PSU and IU which I would consider to be truly bad teams. 

[Hards Alumni]

about even would be a poor assessment.

come talk to us in march when there are 8 BEAST teams in the tourney and 4-5 BELEVEN teams in the tourney.

[MarquetteDano]

Pretty much a useless stat unless you take into account which teams played one another and where, don't you think?  Frankly, I think the two conferences are about even this year.  The BE has more elite teams, but it also has more bad teams.  SHU, SJU, Rutgers, PC, Depaul and USF are bad whereas the B11 has PSU and IU which I would consider to be truly bad teams. 

The Big Ten is clearly improved this year.  I still believe the Big East is better overall.  No doubt that the Big East has more lower-tier teams but what if the two leagues were combined?  According to Pomeroy (http://kenpom.com/rate.php) , here is how the conference would stack up (as of 12/29) in the Top 15:

1. Georgetown
2. Pittsburgh
3. West Virginia
4. Connecticut
5. Louisville
6. Purdue (sixth place!!)
7. Illinois
8. Notre Dame
9. Northwestern (wow, ranked #26 in country as of 12/29)
10. Ohio State
11. Villanova
12. Syracuse
13. Michigan
14. Michigan State
15. Marquette

  Not a single team in the Top 5 of the combined conference.  I understand the Big East as more teams, but hard to say both are equal looking at it.

[lab_warrior]

The Big Ten is TERRIBLE.  Ohio St. just got absolutely WOODSHEDDED by the Mountaineers on their home court.  And Purdue got trounced by an average Duke team at best.  I could go on and on, really.  Also, their style of play, 6th grade girls play at a more enjoyable pace.  Ugh.
All of this being said, though, makes our win against UW not so hot, maybe?  I guess if UW finishes in the top 3, like they should. 

[tower912]

northwestern is overrated.   We saw what a mid-pack BEast team did to the jewel of the B10 on their court.   Balanced by what Minny did to the 'ville, of course.   MU is worried about finishing in the top half of the BEast.   We would be a top 3 team in the B10.

[ChicosBailBonds]

Chrisk

I largely agree with you, but there was a reason behind it.  Abe and other UW fans used to always throw head to head in there which why I did it.  Tit for tat.

From my recollection, MU won at home, WVU on the road, UCONN on a neutral court, Minny on a neutral court, and I'm not sure about the rest.  Would need to look them up

[Badgerhater920]

The Big Ten is TERRIBLE.   Also, their style of play, 6th grade girls play at a more enjoyable pace.  Ugh.

Couldn't agree more, LW. I was at the Wisconsin vs. Cal St. Fullerton 1st round game in March last year and people were seriously booing and yelling about how boring Wisconsin's style of play is.

On another note: MU's last 5 games have been well documented and discussed. Would you rather encounter that stretch: (@GTown, UCONN, @UL, @PITT, Cuse), or go through a scaaarrry big 11 stretch of @Purdue, MSU, @Minnesota, @Michigan, Wisconsin?  It's not even close. The Big East will get at least 4 more teams in the tourney than the Big 10. Then Big 10 idiots will say, "well you have 16 teams." Yes, but the 9 or 10 that make the tourney from the Big East would all be able to play with and beat any Big 10 team that makes the tourney.

[chrisk1]

The Big Ten is clearly improved this year.  I still believe the Big East is better overall.  No doubt that the Big East has more lower-tier teams but what if the two leagues were combined?  According to Pomeroy (http://kenpom.com/rate.php) , here is how the conference would stack up (as of 12/29) in the Top 15:

1. Georgetown
2. Pittsburgh
3. West Virginia
4. Connecticut
5. Louisville
6. Purdue (sixth place!!)
7. Illinois
8. Notre Dame
9. Northwestern (wow, ranked #26 in country as of 12/29)
10. Ohio State
11. Villanova
12. Syracuse
13. Michigan
14. Michigan State
15. Marquette

  Not a single team in the Top 5 of the combined conference.  I understand the Big East as more teams, but hard to say both are equal looking at it.

Hey, I hate the B10 as much as the next person, but to those of you who say that the B10 sucks, I ask you to use a bit objectivity.  That part was not necessarily directed at you dano, but other posters in the thread.

Now, using an objective tool such as the RPI that the tournament committee actually uses, the numbers are quite a bit different and show that the two are pretty even overall.  This is based on using the real time rpi site:

1. Pitt
2. Uconn
3. Northwestern 
4. WVU
5. Michigan
6. Illinois
7. Georgetown
8. Syracuse
9. MSU
10. OSU
11. Minnesota
12. Louisville
13. Nova
14. UW
15. Cinci
16. MU

7 of 16 are Big 10 teams including 3 of the top 6 and 6 of the top 12.  Pretty even in my estimation.  And this is actually a tool that the tournament committee will use, unlike the pomeroy rankings.

[Wareagle]

We'll all see how good Northwestern really is when they play more on the road.  So far, they have gone 1-2, with losses at Stanford and Butler.  They've only beaten one decent team all year (FSU).